May the Record Reflect

National Institute for Trial Advocacy
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May the Record Reflect is a skills-focused podcast for trial lawyers who want to get better at what really happens in the courtroom. Hosted by the National Institute for Trial Advocacy, each episode features experienced judges, advocates, and legal educators sharing practical guidance on trial advocacy, depositions, witness examination, oral communication, jury selection, and courtroom presence—along with ethics, professionalism, and lawyer well‑being. Whether you’re preparing for trial, handling high‑stakes hearings, or looking to sharpen your advocacy skills, May the Record Reflect delivers insights you can put to work right away.

  1. APR 21

    77. Stay Thirsty, My Friends: The Argument for Lifelong Legal Learning, with Veronica Finkelstein and Marisa Rauscher

    Wilmington Law Associate Professor of Law Veronica Finkelstein and law student Dr. Marisa Rauscher discuss what it takes to become an exceptional litigator, from growing your essential hard and soft skills to unconventional ways of developing them, and transforming your personal values into a professional brand. They also explore why maintaining a beginner’s mind — curiosity that never quits — is critical at every stage of a rewarding legal career and recommend their favorite law-related social content that helps them do just that. Topics 5:24  Why to teach, and why to learn, law 7:60  Lacking skills out of law school 10:01 Various toolkits for trial lawyers  13:39 What new lawyers should focus on 15:37 Importance of writing and motion practice skills 18:28 Going to trial: present and future 27:35 Professional branding and marketing yourself as a lawyer 33:40 Informal CLE through social media 36:17 Younger lawyers have an advantage 45:35 Signoff question Quotes “Being an attorney means having a holistic set of skills. A lot of those skills are variations on each other, so the same skill that will serve you well at that Rule 16 conference, when you meet the judge and opposing counsel for the very first time, is an analog of a skill that you would want to have at trial.” Veronica Finkelstein “Great minds and well-intentioned people have tried to establish rules to play by, that serve all in a just fashion, and I want to be in that game, I really do. I want to know the law, I want to use the law for good, and I also want to cultivate the soft and hard skills of lawyering so that my advocacy rests on a strong foundation of excellence. That’s the goal. Know more, do more.” Marisa Rauscher Resources Veronica Finkelstein (LinkedIn) Marisa Rauscher (LinkedIn) Veronica in studio71 (podcast, podcast, webcast) Additional Advocacy Skills (program calendar) Law-related podcasts, vlogs, and YouTubes (PDF)

    51 min

  2. MAR 24

    76. Storytelling for Defense Lawyers, with David Mann

    Finding the right storytelling angle can be challenge for any trial lawyer, but for those advocating on the right-hand side of the v, it’s often even more so. In representing clients jurors may not automatically find sympathetic, defense counsel must express empathy for harms the plaintiff has suffered without admitting to their liability and present technical data that is critical to their client’s defense but wearisome for fact finders to follow. Good narrative technique can help, and in this episode, legal storytelling specialist David Mann shares the insights he’s gain in over a decade of working with trial lawyers to develop winning case stories.  Topics 4:01  Changing defense landscape 7:20  Plaintiff’s automatic emotional hook 9:54  Humanizing the defense client 12:13  Importance of storytelling 17:34 Observing versus opining 20:31  Going granular 24:38  Being engaging and persuasive 28:12  Check your blind spots 30:26 Persuasive presence and turning facts into a story 35:03  Signoff question Quote “[Defense lawyers] need to be good storytellers, and they are just beginning to see how important that is and how they are now losing where they used to win. They’re also seeing the nuclear verdict problem. So juries are awarding tens of millions and even hundreds of millions of dollars in cases that just a few years ago that would have been unheard of. And now it’s getting to be more and more regular. So that that’s how high the stakes are for the defense.” David Mann Resources David Mann (bio) Turning Facts into a Story (May, November) Persuasive Presence (October) Building Trial Skills: New Orleans (program) The Secrets of Persuasive Legal Storytelling (podcast episode) Engaging the Jury in the First Two Minutes (free webcast) NYT 10-Minute Challenge (gift article)

    38 min

  3. FEB 18

    75. Prep for Success: Controlling Your Witness through Thorough Preparation, with Tom Innes and Mary DeFusco

    According to Philadelphia trial lawyers Tom Innes and Mary DeFusco, preparing your witness for testimony is a bit like training a guide dog: the real work happens long before the leash comes off. In this episode, Tom and Mary talk about how to create control in ever-important prep sessions prior to testimony—and they share hands-on, practical tips that will help your witness give their testimony while staying cool and collected, on track, and under control.   Topics 4:04  Why preparation is the first step 5:38  Deposing Dr. King on The Pitt 8:11  Your witness’s role   10:30  Organization of testimony, explained 11:50  Under pressure 13:50  Cross prep 15:33  Practice pointers 19:13  Ethical considerations 23:02  Signoff questions Quotes “Practice having the witness speak to the jury both on direct and cross. Speak to the jury—even if all you can do is set up some empty chairs as a jury box.” Tom Innes “It’s a really bad look in front of a jury when the witness answers every question promptly on direct but then very slowly on cross.” Mary DeFusco Resources Tom Innes (bio) Mary DeFusco (bio) Judge L. Felipe Restrepo (bio) Building Trial Skills: Philadelphia (program) Cross-Examination Math (podcast episode)

    30 min

  4. JAN 20

    74. Handling Experts at Trial: Can't Live With Them, Can't Live Without Them, with Gene Tanaka

    From forensics to financials and the medical to the technical, trial lawyers rely on expert witnesses to help fact finders understand complicated concepts and issues in their case. But dealing with experts is an expert technique in itself, so in this episode NITA Program Director Gene Tanaka breaks down the battle-tested process that has brought him success. First, he lays out the standards for expert testimony and traps to avoid, then shares steps for direct examinations, issues in cross, and persuasive techniques.  Topics 04:20  Why experts are important 05:54  Breadth of expert opinions 07:24  Expert traps 11:44  Standards for expert testimony   15:28  Five steps for direct examination: Introduction and teaser 17:48  Qualifications 20:10  Red flags in an expert’s background 21:28  Opinion 25:24  Basis for opinion 27:39  Difference of experts’ opinions 28:50  Conclusion 30:19  Persuasive techniques 34:10  Conducting cross 42:06  Signoff questions Quote “One of the things that we [attorneys] often do is we rely too much on credentials. We look at an expert and we think, ‘Well, this person has this certification and this level of education, and therefore they must be better than the other person who doesn’t have that.’ But you know, a lot that is just lost on everybody – the trier of fact. They can’t tell the difference between one credential or the other. But what they can tell the difference is whether someone is likeable and whether they’re understandable.” Gene Tanaka Resources Gene Tanaka (LinkedIn) Expert Testimony slides (PPT) Modern Trial Advocacy: Analysis and Practice (book) Federal Rules of Evidence with Objections: As Amended to December 1, 2023 (book) Expert Testimony: A Guide for Expert Witnesses and the Lawyers Who Examine Them (book) Effective Expert Testimony (book)

    45 min

  5. 12/16/2025

    73. Depositions Done Right, with Carl Chamberlin

    With most cases settling before trial, depositions have become the real battleground—and few people know that better than Carl Chamberlin. Carl has spent decades taking and defending depositions in private practice and teaching the craft for over 30 years. In a reprise of one of May the Record Reflect's most popular episodes, he’s here to share how to kick things off the right way—from setting the stage with introductory matters to navigating preliminary and substantive questions.  Topics 3:22   The purpose of depositions 6:20   Difference between gathering information and obtaining information 10:38 Why depositions are important 12:30 Physical settings for remote depositions 14:15 The “usual stipulations” 17:20 Getting commitments 21:27 Commitments in remote depositions 24:42 Preliminary questions 29:51 Structure of substantive questioning 33:30 First demo 36:57 Key phrases for asking open-ended questions 38:25 And ones to avoid 43:01 Drilling down into a substantive topic 44:18 Second demo 1:04:19 Paying attention and listening 1:06:40 Using exhibits 1:10:15 Dealing with interruptions 1:13:56 Carl’s early depositions 1:16:53 The Effective Deposition 1:21:36 Signoff questions Quote “We want to make our questions clear and concise. Simple. The clearer the question, the better the answer. The fewer the objections, the more powerful it is.” Carl Chamberlin Resources Carl Chamberlin (LinkedIn) The Effective Deposition, Sixth Edition (book)

    1h 26m

  6. 11/18/2025

    72. The Vocal Edge: An Opera Singers Secrets for Trial Lawyers, with Anne Fuchs

    Opera and the courtroom might seem worlds apart—but they share a similar stagecraft. In this episode, Anne Fuchs, professional opera singer and Director of Communications for the Indiana Court of Appeals, reveals how posture and breath can transform your voice into a powerful advocacy tool. From mastering vocal control to learning a little Italian, this conversation will help you speak with confidence and command attention when it matters most. Topics 02:30  Why vocal quality matters 04:03  Assessing your voice and why we hate the sound of it 07:13  Transatlantic accent 08:34  Introverts and extroverts, and skills  13:42  La Postura 21:16  Appoggio 33:05  Legato 41:26  Chiaroscuro 39:41  Nasality and vocal fry 50:20  Opera and the appellate court 55:23  Signoff questions Quote “Confidence is a skill set. It is not a personality trait. And so as much as it might feel like, Wow, that big, loud, bombastic person with that amazing trial experience, and Look at how he just commands the courtroom with that voice—that may be something that’s inherent to him. It may be something that he learned. But it is 100% true that every single person can learn how to use their voice more confidently and more effectively, without being an extrovert, without it being something that just came to them naturally. There are specific skills you can learn, and anybody can do it.” Anne Fuchs Resources Anne Fuchs (bio) Foxy Opera (30-minute private coaching, enter Secret49 for savings) Vocal Warm-Up Exercises (cheat sheet) Point Well Made: Persuasive Oral Advocacy (book)

    1h 7m

  7. 10/21/2025

    71. Mind the Gap: Generations in Trial Practice, with Professor Marian Braccia

    For the first time in history, attorneys from as many as five generations can be found practicing law together. From veteran trial lawyers in their 70s and up to Gen Z associates just starting out, the generational diversity in today’s legal workforce is unprecedented. In this episode, Professor Marian Braccia of Temple University Beasley School of Law discusses how generational identity influences legal practice, challenges stereotypes about Gen Z lawyers, and offers insights into fostering understanding and mentorship across age groups. Topics 00:58  Generational span in law offices 04:40  Gen Z stereotypes and realities 05:53  Overview of generations in law 08:35  Defining characteristics by generation 26:37  Gen Z values and “sea change” 29:58  Generational mix in legal workforce 32:02  Authority and leadership styles 36:13  Policies and procedures 39:41  Decision-making preferences 42:55  Communication styles 47:58  Feedback and critique preferences 52:30  Generational tensions and perceptions 58:42  Recognition and rewards 01:01:51  Recommendations for law firms 01:07:20  Signoff questions Quote “We are talking about the success of the profession, we are talking about the longevity of the profession, and we want that to be something that doesn’t have to be reinvented every generation. We want to see continuity, and the only way we can do that is for there to be meaningful collaboration between the generations when it’s time to pass the baton.” Marian Braccia Resources Marian Grace Braccia (bio) The Generations War Comes to the Law Firm (article) Why We Mistake the Wholesomeness of Gen Z for Conservative (article)

    1h 12m

  8. 09/16/2025

    70. Getting Down to Business: Deposing the 30(b)(6) Witness, with Veronica Finkelstein

    Rule 30(b)(6) depositions can be a game-changer in litigation—but only if you know how to use them strategically. In this episode, former Assistant U.S. Attorney and current Wilmington Law professor Veronica Finkelstein shares expert guidance on understanding the purpose and power of a 30(b)(6) deposition, identifying the right corporate representative, drafting precise specifications, and preparing your designee for examination. Whether you're deposing a Fortune 500 company or a little mom-and-pop shop, this episode will fine-tune your approach to corporate testimony. Topics 4:23     What is a 30(b)(6) deposition?    7:11     Why all trial lawyers should know about 30(b)(6) depositions 9:40     How deposing 30(b)(6) witnesses is different 14:27    Meet-and-confer requirement about specifications 17:44    Drafting specifications 20:20    Benefit of taking 30(b)(6) depositions 23:57    Qualities of a desirable corporate designee 25:54    Designees and fact witnesses 29:21    Corporate counsel and deposing counsel preparations 35:40    Who represents the designee? 40:05    Nonresponsive or jerk designees 43:24    Things to be mindful of during examination 45:39    When interrogatories are preferable 46:56    Cases to know: QBE and Marker 49:42    Deposition Skills: Philadelphia 51:53    Sign-off questions Quote “This is one of the few times in litigation when you get to pick your witness, so pick somebody good. Don’t pick somebody who’s the CEO of the company who doesn’t have time to get educated. Don’t pick somebody in HR who’s been following the policies wrong for the last 20 years and you’re never gonna unteach. Pick somebody who’s gonna be a really good mouthpiece on behalf of the company who you can educate properly.” Veronica Finkelstein Resources Veronica Finkelstein (bio) J.C. Lore (bio) Deposition Skills: Philadelphia (program) NITA Women in Trial (program) QBE Ins. Corp. v. Jorda Enters. Inc. (case) Marker v. Union Fidelity Life Ins. Co. (case) Law 360 article (PDF)

    56 min
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May the Record Reflect is a skills-focused podcast for trial lawyers who want to get better at what really happens in the courtroom. Hosted by the National Institute for Trial Advocacy, each episode features experienced judges, advocates, and legal educators sharing practical guidance on trial advocacy, depositions, witness examination, oral communication, jury selection, and courtroom presence—along with ethics, professionalism, and lawyer well‑being. Whether you’re preparing for trial, handling high‑stakes hearings, or looking to sharpen your advocacy skills, May the Record Reflect delivers insights you can put to work right away.

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    National Institute for Trial Advocacy
  • Years Active
    2019 - 2026
  • Episodes
    77
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