Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl

Thomas Huebl

Point of Relation podcast illuminates the path to collective healing at the intersection of science and mysticism. Host Thomas Huebl welcomes visionaries, innovators, artists, and healers for deep conversations about how we can activate our shared intelligence to meet the most pressing challenges of our time.

  1. Bonus Preview: Pico Iyer at the 2025 Collective Trauma Summit

    23H AGO

    Bonus Preview: Pico Iyer at the 2025 Collective Trauma Summit

    Today, we’re sharing an excerpt from Thomas’ conversation with acclaimed travel writer, author, and speaker Pico Iyer at the upcoming Collective Trauma Summit.  Pico’s extensive travels and journeys into the realms of Buddhism and meditation have deeply inspired and informed his creative process. They also brought him into close contact with another artist and meditation practitioner, the legendary musician Leonard Cohen.  In this snippet from his Summit talk, Pico shares his experience witnessing Cohen's dedicated Zen practice and how Cohen later brought this sacred, surrendered quality from his meditation practice into his concert performances, transforming them into communal, sacred experiences. Within this experience, there are profound lessons about accepting impermanence and surrendering to something beyond your individual self. If you’re moved by this conversation and want to hear the full talk, sign up at the link below, and we’ll notify you as soon as details are announced for the 2025 Collective Trauma Summit, taking place online this fall. https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/#email-signup ✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube: 👉 https://youtu.be/-BLc08UQqF8 Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com  ✨ Pico Iyer is the author of 17 books of fiction and nonfiction, translated into 23 languages, on subjects ranging from globalism and mysticism to the Dalai Lama. He is a longtime essayist for Time, The New York Times, and over 250 publications worldwide. Born in Oxford to Indian parents, he was educated at Eton, Oxford, and Harvard, and has lived in Japan since 1987. Connect with Pico here: 👉 https://picoiyerjourneys.com/ Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl ✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s newest book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our...

    10 min
  2. Susanne Ahlendorf and Martin Bruders | Trauma-Informed Meditation

    2D AGO

    Susanne Ahlendorf and Martin Bruders | Trauma-Informed Meditation

    A deep meditation practice doesn’t help you bypass your problems; it helps you move through them with presence and embodied awareness. This week, Thomas is joined by his dear friends, longtime students, and meditation instructors Susanne Ahlendorf and Martin Bruders, for a deep dive into the healing power of meditation and how to integrate your meditation practice into every moment of your life. Learn to transform your practice into a way of living and find deeper intimacy with your life’s journey, your spirit, and yourself. Explore the importance of trauma-informed approaches and community support in meditation, and find out how this important element of a spiritual practice can lead to larger-scale social progress and collective healing. And if you want to go even deeper on this topic and gain more wisdom and insights to carry into your meditation practice, join Martin and Susanne this September for their 4-week live online course: Deepening Meditation: Stillness, Heart, and Relationality. Whether you’re a longtime practitioner or a first-time meditator, this course will teach you how to access a meditative state no matter what life brings you and open yourself to deeper connections and inner wisdom. Learn more and sign up for the course at: https://thomashuebl.com/meditation-course-sept-2025/ ✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube: 👉 https://youtu.be/6MiQBxUF6so Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com  ✨ Susanne Maria Ahlendorf practices in her own psychotherapeutic practice in Frankfurt, Germany. She is a non-medical practitioner for psychotherapy and a practitioner of the developmental trauma method NARM®. She has been leading continuing education and training groups since 1998 on topics such as meditation, leadership training, Transparent Communication, Mysticism & Healing, and annual training “Women’s ROOM”. She’s the co-founder of the project MakeSpaceForGrace, a project that works toward a deeper understanding of the sacred scriptures and mystical principles. She also offers retreats and journeys to special places. ✨ Martin Bruders is a qualified social worker, mediator, and coach, and has worked for over 28 years as a comedian and presenter at over 2000 corporate events in Germany, Austria, and Switzerland. He has facilitated numerous meditation retreats and is the co-founder of MakeSpaceForGrace, a project in which he conducts courses for a deeper understanding of the sacred scriptures and mystical principles. He also offers retreats and journeys to special “holy” places and, most recently, online dialogues with interesting people. Sign up for the free monthly Living Meditation Stream with Martin and Susanne, an online opportunity to learn meditation skills and connect with our community: 👉 https://thomashuebl.com/meditation Enroll in the Deepening Meditation course, which begins on September 4th: 👉 https://thomashuebl.com/meditation-course-sept-2025/ ✨ Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses...

    55 min
  3. Francis Weller | Embracing the Wisdom of Grief

    AUG 19

    Francis Weller | Embracing the Wisdom of Grief

    How does crossing the threshold of grief open the gateway to other potent emotions? In part two of their conversation on grief, healing, and social transformation, Thomas and Francis Weller discuss what it means to become an apprentice to grief, how communal healing leads to individual and social maturity, and why it’s so important to lean into our interconnectedness when times are tough. Explore what’s lacking in Western cultures’ approach to processing grief and what might change if we create collective spaces, led by seasoned elders, to connect through our shared sorrows.  Can we reclaim our humanity and remember how to live in harmony with the world? Francis believes that we can, but we must have the courage to look inward, sit in the heat of our own grief, and not turn away. ✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube: 👉 https://youtu.be/kDhGhHSOSaw Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com  ✨ Francis Weller, MFT, is a psychotherapist, author, and soul activist. He is a master of synthesizing diverse streams of thought from psychology, anthropology, mythology, alchemy, Indigenous cultures, and poetic traditions. His books, including The Wild Edge of Sorrow, have introduced the healing work of ritual to thousands of people. Francis founded and directs WisdomBridge, an organization that offers educational programs that seek to integrate the wisdom from Indigenous cultures with the insights and knowledge gathered from Western poetic, psychological, and spiritual traditions. For more than forty years, Francis has worked as a psychotherapist and developed a style he calls soul-centered psychotherapy. Connect with Francis here: 👉 www.francisweller.net Order Francis' book, In the Absence of the Ordinary, here: 👉 https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/784313/in-the-absence-of-the-ordinary-by-francis-weller Order Francis' book, The Wild Edge of Sorrow, here: 👉 https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/250673/the-wild-edge-of-sorrow-by-francis-weller Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: a...

    32 min
  4. Bonus Preview: Cheryl Strayed at the Collective Trauma Summit

    AUG 14

    Bonus Preview: Cheryl Strayed at the Collective Trauma Summit

    Bestselling author Cheryl Strayed believes that writing your truth can set you free. Today we’re sharing an excerpt from her conversation with Thomas at the upcoming Collective Trauma Summit. In it, she shares about a profound healing act that helped her process deep grief and trauma…writing. More specifically, the way that writing demands raw honesty and vulnerability, revealing our deepest truths about our human experiences. It’s also an incredibly effective way to combat the isolation and loneliness that often accompany grief or trauma. In Cheryl’s case, sharing her truth in her book, Wild, inspired people to reach out to her with their own stories of loss and pain, creating unexpected, deeply authentic connections. And it’s through these connections that we can build much-needed shared spaces for healing individual and collective trauma. If you’re moved by this conversation and want to hear the full talk, sign up at the link below and we’ll notify you as soon as details are announced for the 2025 Collective Trauma Summit, taking place online this fall. 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/#email-signup ✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube: 👉 https://youtu.be/Cl6Uuis18NA Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com  ✨ Cheryl Strayed is the author of the #1 New York Times bestseller Wild: From Lost to Found on the Pacific Crest Trail, which was adapted into an Oscar-nominated film. Her other books include Tiny Beautiful Things, Torch, and Brave Enough. Her work has appeared in The Best American Essays, The New York Times, and Vogue, among others. Also a podcast host and playwright, Strayed lives in Portland, Oregon. Connect with Cheryl here: 👉 https://www.cherylstrayed.com Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl ✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s newest book,...

    10 min
  5. Francis Weller | Grief Rituals and Soul Hygiene

    AUG 12

    Francis Weller | Grief Rituals and Soul Hygiene

    What if opening yourself to grief could actually help you feel more alive? This week, Thomas sits down with psychotherapist, writer, and soul activist Francis Weller for a powerful conversation about befriending grief, embracing healing rituals in collective spaces, and the power of the past to transform the future. It’s so common for people in pain to turn away from it, to avoid their grief and sorrow, or to think that they can muscle through in isolation. But in the deep wisdom that Francis shares here, the opposite is true. Our personal grief, as well as the trauma inherited from our ancestors, yearns for a social container where it can be safely and openly witnessed, processed, and integrated. The beauty in this is what comes from this relationship to grief, and that’s access to a vast wellspring of inspiration, intuition, and renewed vitality. Francis and Thomas dive deep into how we can open ourselves to these processes and how they can transmute collective sorrow into profound societal transformation. The second half of Thomas and Francis' conversation will air next week. ✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube: 👉 https://youtu.be/Lo49jsP-oWw Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET ✨ Available Now: Love, Trauma, and Healing, a self-paced online course from Thomas and couples therapy expert Terry Real. ✨ Learn the practices to heal past wounds and more deeply connect with yourself, your partner, and the world at large. Experience how Thomas and Terry combine methods from psychotherapy and spiritual practices to bring your relationships to the next level. Learn more and access the course here: 👉 https://www.lovetraumahealing.com/podcast ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com  ✨ Francis Weller, MFT, is a psychotherapist, author, and soul activist. He is a master of synthesizing diverse streams of thought from psychology, anthropology, mythology, alchemy, Indigenous cultures, and poetic traditions. His books, including The Wild Edge of Sorrow, have introduced the healing work of ritual to thousands of people. Francis founded and directs WisdomBridge, an organization that offers educational programs that seek to integrate the wisdom from Indigenous cultures with the insights and knowledge gathered from Western poetic, psychological, and spiritual traditions. For more than forty years, Francis has worked as a psychotherapist and developed a style he calls soul-centered psychotherapy. Connect with Francis here: 👉 www.francisweller.net Order Francis' book, In the Absence of the Ordinary, here: 👉 https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/784313/in-the-absence-of-the-ordinary-by-francis-weller Order Francis' book, The Wild Edge of Sorrow, here: 👉 https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/250673/the-wild-edge-of-sorrow-by-francis-weller Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core...

    43 min
  6. Dr. Terry Real | Daring to Embrace Intimacy in a Fractured World

    AUG 5

    Dr. Terry Real | Daring to Embrace Intimacy in a Fractured World

    Have you ever pulled away from someone you love—not because you didn’t care, but because closeness felt too painful? This week, Thomas is joined by renowned couples therapy expert Dr. Terry Real for a conversation on how trauma affects our relationships with ourselves, our intimate partners, and the world at large—and how we can heal those wounds. Intimacy isn’t just something you share with other people; it’s also an authentic connection with yourself. Thomas and Terry explore how our relationships are impacted by trauma from the past, why we become triggered in the present, and what it takes to establish trust, safety, and understanding. These are essential lessons for anyone who wants to shift from conflict to connection, both in your personal life and in the way that you impact the world around you. ✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube: 👉 https://youtu.be/ombxZht9wHM Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET Want to dive deeper into this topic with Thomas and Dr. Terry Real? Learn more about their collaborative self-paced course: ✨ Love, Trauma, and Healing ✨ Learn the practices to heal past wounds and more deeply connect with yourself, your partner, and the world at large. Experience how Thomas and Terry combine methods from psychotherapy and spiritual practices to bring your relationships to the next level. Learn more and access the course here: 👉 https://www.lovetraumahealing.com/podcast ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com  ✨ Dr. Terry Real has been a practicing family therapist for more than thirty years, and his work has been featured on many major news outlets, TV shows, and in numerous academic publications. His most recent book Us: Getting Past You & Me to Build a More Loving Relationship, is a New York Times Bestseller. Terry founded the Relational Life Institute (RLI), which is dedicated to teaching the general public how to live relational lives and to teaching mental health professionals the practice of Relational Life Therapy. Connect with him here: 👉 https://terryreal.com Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: a href="https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/" rel="noopener noreferrer"...

    57 min
  7. Bonus Replay: Andrea Gibson | Befriending Mortality

    JUL 31

    Bonus Replay: Andrea Gibson | Befriending Mortality

    To honor the life of beloved poet and beautiful human being Andrea Gibson, we're sharing their episode of the podcast again. Andrea's work, energy, vulnerability, and exceptional passion for life were inspiring for all of us on the Point of Relation team, and we were so sad to hear of their recent passing. In this conversation with Thomas, Andrea speaks from the heart about courageously embracing death and grief, the spiritually transformative power of facing your mortality, the absolute necessity of creative self-expression, and how to face the unknown with curiosity, wonder, and awe. And if you're not familiar with Andrea's work, we highly recommend you track down their books of poetry at your local bookstore, or visit: https://andreagibson.com ✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube: 👉 https://youtu.be/m6rdzxxtWEc Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com  Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl ✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s newest book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World,” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com Take our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future: 👉 https://forms.gle/uoygyKMmHeUHeJFD9

    51 min
  8. Amandine Roche | Inner Peace for Collective Healing

    JUL 29

    Amandine Roche | Inner Peace for Collective Healing

    Can healing yourself really help heal the world? This week, Thomas sits down with Amandine Roche, a human rights and women’s empowerment expert with more than 20 years of experience with the United Nations and European Union. Amandine’s extensive work in conflict zones worldwide was driven by a deep, personal quest for healing from childhood trauma. But the work itself took a toll on her mental and physical health, leading her on a journey of healing that uncovered an essential core truth that she now works to spread: we must have inner peace if we want to work for outer peace. Amandine shares beautifully honest details from her own personal struggles and offers a unique perspective on embracing femininity in human rights work and all forms of leadership. She and Thomas explore the need for collective spaces and new skills to digest world events and prevent the repetition of painful social and political patterns. It’s an empowering conversation that highlights the absolute necessity of self-alignment and inner healing in humanitarian work and any type of effort toward peace and harmony in a world in crisis. ✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube: 👉 https://youtu.be/TiD4qCktYCY Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET ✨ Available Now: Love, Trauma, and Healing, a self-paced online course from Thomas and couples therapy expert Terry Real. ✨ Learn the practices to heal past wounds and more deeply connect with yourself, your partner, and the world at large. Experience how Thomas and Terry combine methods from psychotherapy and spiritual practices to bring your relationships to the next level. Learn more and access the course here: 👉 https://www.lovetraumahealing.com/podcast ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com  ✨ Amandine Roche is a Human Rights and women’s empowerment expert with 20 years of experience in conflict contexts across Asia, Africa, Europe, and South America. She’s worked with the United Nations Department of Peacekeeping, the European Commission, and other organizations. She’s an author, photographer, explorer, public speaker, social entrepreneur, and yoga and meditation teacher. Amandine is also a healer and a Search Inside Yourself teacher. She’s the founder of the Amanuddin Foundation in Afghanistan and the Inner Peacekeeping Program for humanitarians on the front line. She is now creating the Inner Peace Corps organization to bring the tools of inner peace to refugee camps. Learn more about and connect with Amandine here: 👉 https://www.amandineroche.com Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is

    53 min

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Point of Relation podcast illuminates the path to collective healing at the intersection of science and mysticism. Host Thomas Huebl welcomes visionaries, innovators, artists, and healers for deep conversations about how we can activate our shared intelligence to meet the most pressing challenges of our time.

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