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Join Kohrman Jackson & Krantz Student & Athlete Defense attorneys Susan Stone and Kristina Supler for some “real talk” regarding everything from consent, Title IX and #MeToo to mental health, autism, bullying and hazing, social media pitfalls, academic integrity, special education, student discipline and misconduct, navigating police encounters and staying out of trouble. They’re full-time moms and attorneys with extensive national experience when it comes to Title IX cases, and have been called on by various organizations and publications to share insight in this area, particularly in the context of the #MeToo conversation.

Real Talk With Susan & Kristina KJK

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Join Kohrman Jackson & Krantz Student & Athlete Defense attorneys Susan Stone and Kristina Supler for some “real talk” regarding everything from consent, Title IX and #MeToo to mental health, autism, bullying and hazing, social media pitfalls, academic integrity, special education, student discipline and misconduct, navigating police encounters and staying out of trouble. They’re full-time moms and attorneys with extensive national experience when it comes to Title IX cases, and have been called on by various organizations and publications to share insight in this area, particularly in the context of the #MeToo conversation.

    Identifying Child Development Issues and Setting Your Teen Up For Success

    Identifying Child Development Issues and Setting Your Teen Up For Success

    In this episode of Real Talk, KJK Student Defense Attorneys Susan Stone and Kristina Supler are joined by Dr. Zizzy Bucchieri, a Board-Certified Pediatrician at Senders Pediatrics for over 21 years.  They discuss parenting at different stages.  The conversation includes detecting developmental issues,, the ideal course of action to manage developmental issues, and effective means to make parenting easier. Links Mentioned In the Show: Senders Pediatrics Help Me Grow (National) Help Me Grow (Ohio) KJK Student Defense Show Notes: How to spot developmental issues in your child early on (02:21) Crawling: Is it really a milestone? (04:07) When should your child be able to say their first words? (05:33) The organization which provides free infant & toddler screening for any developmental, physical issues, etc. (06:31) The best type of play for your child according to a pediatrician (07:01) Why how a child plays alone is not an indicator of a developmental issue (08:39) The age at which parents need to start observing for signs of developmental issues in their kids (10:14) Why early intervention is key to helping your child manage developmental issues (10:35) Early recognition of attention deficit disorder (ADD) and oppositional defiant disorder in children (12:16) Why spanking is a form of discipline that actually does more harm than good (15:50) The most effective way to discipline kids Dr. Bucchieri has found to be (17:11) When you know you need to seek professional help for your child (19:13) Why the parent of caregiver’s perspective is essential in diagnosis (21:56) Social warning signs that can potentially be indicators of autism spectrum disorder (23:00) How to foster independence in kids (25:26) Why parents should allow their kids to be more autonomous when it comes to homework (27:48) Family meetings and their significance in intervention (29:30) Distinguishing the fine line between over-parenting and regular support for your children (31:04) Why Dr. Zizzy Bucchieri recommends teaching money management to teens before college (32:51) Sleep and its role in your child’s development (33:26) Factors to consider when discerning whether or not to allow your teen to get their license (36:15) Why every parent should follow Senders Pediatrics (38:43) Susan Stone: Welcome back to Real Talk with Susan Stone and Kristina Supler. We're full-time moms and attorneys bringing our student defense legal practice to life with real candid conversations. Today's topic is understanding normal child development from birth to college. From the perspective of our guest speaker, Dr. Elizabeth Bucchieri affectionately known to us as our friend Zizzy.  Dr. Zizzy Bucchieri: Hi, thank you so much for having me 
    Kristina Supler: Zizzy, we're so pleased to have you with us today. For our listeners out there, Zizzy has been a pediatrician for the last 21 years at Senders Pediatrics. She's she's one smart cookie. She went to Princeton university and then Columbia college of physicians and surgeons.
    Kristina Supler: She completed her residency at Johns Hopkins. She has two grown children and she's an, I have really had the pleasure of getting to nosy better through a women's retreat weekend that we participated on at, in, at a camp in New Hampshire, it was a blast and we spent time hiking and doing fun outdoor activities and got to knows Izzy better.
    Kristina Supler: So we're so pleased to have you join us today in your capacity as a pediatrician. Thanks for joining us. 
    Dr. Zizzy Bucchieri: Thank you for having me. 
    Susan Stone: I'm going to start with an age group that I haven't had the privilege of being with now that my kids are old, it's birth through toddler, the toddler years, those cute little people.
    Susan Stone: Can you tell us? It's so hard to know, and I hate using this word, but what is considered and I'm quote, unquote, normal childhood development from birth through the toddler years and what are signs of what might be a

    • 39 min
    Understanding Your School's Liability When It Comes To Protecting Your Child

    Understanding Your School's Liability When It Comes To Protecting Your Child

    In this episode of Real Talk, KJK Student Defense Attorneys Susan Stone and Kristina Supler are joined by Dr. Edward F. Dragan, the founder and lead expert witness of School Liability Expert Group.  They discuss the coverage of his role as a lead expert witness in educational, school, and administrative liability.  The conversation includes the best method to help prevent Title XI issues, the difference between bullying and regular student conflict, and the hard truth about individualized education programs. Links: School Liability Expert Group (Website) Show Notes: How one phone call became the catalyst to Dr. Dragan’s School Liability Expert Group (02:00) What it means to be an expert witness covering education, administration and supervision (04:44)  Why one annual training is not enough to prevent Title IX issues in schools (07:25) How to distinguish bullying and regular student conflict (12:00) How Dr. Dragan and his wife gracefully dealt with a first-hand experience of student conflict (13:20) What school districts are not telling you about individualized education programs and what parents need to do (16:05)  Transcript:
    Susan Stone: Welcome back to Real Talk with Susan Stone and Kristina Supler. We're full-time moms and attorneys bringing our student defense legal practice to life with real candid conversations. Today's guest is Dr. Edward Dragan, founder and lead expert witness of School Liability Expert Group. That's a mouthful. Dr. Dragan consults and works as an expert in cases involving student injuries. Welcome. 
    Dr. Dragan: Thank you. I appreciate the time that you're giving me, Susan and Kristina. Thank you very much. 
    Kristina Supler: Thank you for joining us as a guest today. We're so pleased to have you. Dr. Dragan, can you tell us about the School Liability Expert Group?
    Kristina Supler: What exactly does this business do? 
    Dr. Dragan: Sure. School Liability Expert Group started in, uh, 1993, actually. And I was working before that in the State Department of Education in New Jersey. And I was also the director of the department of special services in a local school district in New Jersey.
    Dr. Dragan: And I looked at what I was doing and I, I decided that I couldn't. Put together all of my background and expertise as a school administrator or a superintendent. And I had just received my doctoral degree in education administration and supervision. So I took a little time off and I developed my firm and got started by providing consultation directly to boards of education on issues involving the structure of their departments of special education.
    Dr. Dragan: I did that at first. And then I was sitting at my desk one day and an attorney calls me and he said, "Hey, Dr. Dragon, would you be interested in providing expert witness services for a case I'm working on?" 
    Dr. Dragan: And I really didn't know actually what an expert witness was at that point. And I said, well, tell me more about it.
    Dr. Dragan: I'd like to hear what you have to say happened to be a special education case. And this was one in New Jersey that went before the administrative law, judge. I researched the case. I reviewed it and I went to testify. Then I thought to myself, Hmm, I really like this. This is kind of interesting because it's a combination of my educational background, my background in teaching and administration. 
    Dr. Dragan: So I thought, wow, this is something I really want to develop. And I went back to school and I got a law degree from a University of New Hampshire, and that was a specialty law degree in education administration. So that's really where it started. I had a small desk in a very small house in Lambertville New Jersey.
    Susan Stone: Beautiful area. Very charming. 
    Dr. Dragan: Love it. Here. 
    Susan Stone: Love Lambert bill. It's been a long time. 
    Kristina Supler: I have to add I'm I'm sensing quite a bit of synergy between Dr. Dragan and Susan, all backgrounds. 
    Susan Stone: Th

    • 18 min
    What Parents Need to Know About Digital Forensics

    What Parents Need to Know About Digital Forensics

    In this episode of Real Talk, KJK Student Defense Attorneys Susan Stone and Kristina Supler are joined by Greg Kelley, a pioneer in the field of digital forensics, with over 2 decades of experience and the founder of Vestige Digital Investigations.  They discuss digital evidence and its relevance to legal cases.  The conversation includes what digital forensics is, what type of digital activity can be tracked on computers and social media, and if a child gets involved in a legal case what parents should do with their child’s digital devices.
    Links:
     https://www.vestigeltd.com/
    Show Notes:
    What does forensics involve in the digital age? (02:49) The secrets that digital forensics can reveal (05:16) Why your digital activity can’t lie (07:41) Why nothing on social media is actually private (09:29) Newsflash: Snapchat photos almost ALWAYS leave a trace (11:48) Can deleted files actually be recovered? (13:55) How deleting files can actually cause more harm than good (16:57) Why do parents need to confiscate their children’s devices when their kids get in trouble (17:37) Monitoring your children’s devices with Google and Apple (19:25) Transcript:
    Susan Stone: Welcome back to Real Talk with Susan and Kristina. And in case my listeners out there, missed CSI last night, we're going to bring real life CSI to you all through our special guest, Greg Kelley from Vestige and Greg is going to talk about computer evidence and how it relates to cases.
    Susan Stone: Kristina, why don't you introduce our colleague, Greg? 
    Kristina Supler: Sure. So Greg, thank you so much for joining us. Greg is a founder of Vestige Digital Investigations, and Greg's been working in the digital forensics field since 2000 or so. And really for the past 15 years, he's helped vestige become one of the leaders in the area of comprehensive digital forensic investigations. Greg and other employees at Vestige work on criminal cases and civil cases, and really cases in courts that deal with a variety of issues from cyber intrusion, intellectual property, theft fraud, other sorts of illegal online activities. Greg testifies in court, both in the state of Ohio as well as federal courts.
    Kristina Supler: And we are pleased you're here today, Greg. Thank you. 
    Greg Kelley, Vestige Digital Investigations: Thank you for having me. And, you know, with your, your count on CSI as a, as a side note, my business partner actually consulted for a while on the I think it was the CSI cyber series that was on. It's kind of Stephanie brought that up.
    Greg Kelley, Vestige Digital Investigations: Yeah. He hooked up with a couple of directors. I forgot how it was, but. Yeah, he's got a couple of posters and t-shirts in his office. He's, he's pretty proud of that. So 
    Susan Stone: very cool. That's really cool. And the real, the reason Greg, we wanted you to talk to families because as you know, Kristina and I are dedicated to representing students, is that almost every case, if not every case has a component of what is or is not on a cell phone or a laptop or some device. 
    Susan Stone: And what do we need to find from the other side for a defense? What do we need to provide? What do we not want to give? What's here? What's there? What's erased? What's deleted? And it's confusing. And every day, Kristina and I are learning about a new software, a new chat room, a new social media app. And it's hard to keep up with it. And so we're hoping you can boil down these fancy, scary words like forensics and computer and cybercrime and make it meaningful. 
    Greg Kelley, Vestige Digital Investigations: Yeah, we'll give that a try. So let let's talk about forensics. The way I like to describe it, um, forensics to someone in general is, we're looking at, a computer, a cell phone.
    Greg Kelley, Vestige Digital Investigations: Let's call them a digital device. Something that has digital information on it and we're examining it. We're looking at it. We're pulling messages fro

    • 22 min
    Educational Crisis Management: Making Higher Educational Dreams a Reality

    Educational Crisis Management: Making Higher Educational Dreams a Reality

    In this episode of Real Talk, KJK Student Defense Attorneys Susan Stone and Kristina Supler are joined by Hanna Stotland, an independent educational consultant specializing in crisis management. They discuss how students with academic or disciplinary violations can have a chance to achieve their higher education dreams. The conversation includes updates to the college application process, under what circumstances students must disclose their disciplinary history and an effective strategy to help overcome these obstacles and show that these students will be great members of the academic community.
    Links Mentioned in the Show
    Hanna Stotland’s Website Show Notes:
    How Hanna leads students and families in crisis back onto a higher educational path (01:21) Why disciplinary history is now a thing of the past for some colleges/ universities (03:01) Don’t ask, don’t tell? Should a student still disclose their disciplinary history even if it isn't required? (04:57) Why it’s more advantageous to be honest about your previous sanctions (06:26) What most clients don’t want to hear (07:56) Keep it clean, if you don’t want this coming back to haunt you (09:09) Is disclosure of disciplinary action required when transferring schools? (11:06) What are the limitations of the FERPA waiver? (11:47) The kind of record a student should ALWAYS disclose (12:59) It’s not the crime, it’s the coverup. (14:41) Why your honesty about your past, when asked, is what matters above all else (15:42) How even students with grave accusations can become entrusted to be a great academic member of a college (16:50) Why suspension and/or expulsion is not the end of the world (17:37) Transcript:
    Susan Stone: Welcome back to Real Talk with Susan Stone and Kristina Supler. We're full-time moms and attorneys bringing our student defense legal practice to life with real life candid conversations. 
    Today, we are super excited to invite our friend, Hannah Stotland as our guest. Hannah has a great story. She is proud to tell you that she flunked out of high school and ended up graduating from Harvard college in undergrad, and then Harvard law. Today, she's an independent educational consultant that specializes in crisis management. 
    And she works with families to get their students in either undergraduate colleges or universities or graduate schools after the blank hits the fan. And we, Christine and I work with Hannah a lot on cases. 
    Kristina Supler: Hannah. Thank you so much for joining us today.
    We're thrilled to have you Susan's just told us a bit about your life experience and your history that brought you to what you do now, which is so interesting. Expand on that a little. Tell us more about yourself and what services you provide to families in crisis. 
    Hannah Stotland: Thanks so much for having me. I'm really glad to be here.
    The biggest things that I do for families in crisis is help them see that there is a higher education future for them and help them achieve it. And so that involves both figuring out what steps they need to take to get into or back into the educational path that they were on, as well as helping the student to talk about whatever happened.
    And so that's usually where a lot of our emphasis is when I'm working together with a student, understanding how I can teach them. What I did during my legal career, it is perfectly ethical and normal for lawyers to speak for their clients. That is a it's a core function of a lawyer to speak on the client's behalf. In the higher ed space that is typically not ethical and not appropriate. 
    So if the student is addressing an admissions office that the student is supposed to speak for themselves. And so what I do is become an educator and a coach and teach them how to advocate for themselves more effectively.
    Susan Stone: Thank you for that description. A lot of people don't know about this, but Kristina and I work with a lot of high school students who find themselves in

    • 19 min
    BirdieLight: Turning a Senseless Murder into a Life-Saving Cause

    BirdieLight: Turning a Senseless Murder into a Life-Saving Cause

    In this episode of Real Talk, KJK Student Defense Attorneys Susan Stone and Kristina Supler are joined by Dr. Beth Weinstock. She is a poet and physician, but foremost a mother of four whose eldest son Eli was murdered in March of 2021 when he unintentionally ingested fentanyl. With her daughter Oliva, they co-founded BirdieLight with a focus on educating students and their parents on the danger of fentanyl. The conversation includes how drug use extends beyond just partying, the stigma around the topic of students using drugs, and how any student can save lives. Links Mentioned In the Show:
    The BirdieLight Website Dr. Beth Weinstock’s interview with Jake Tapper The KJK Website 


    Show Notes:  
    What are the dangers college students experience when experimenting with drugs and alcohol? (0:34) How a personal tragedy inspired the creation of the BirdieLight organization. (01:52)  How BirdieLight has created enormous momentum in its mission. (03:21) What is the common misconception of fentanyl that leads to parents underestimating its accessibility? (04:27) How did fentanyl rise to become such a popular drug? (05:05) How even stress and anxiety can indirectly lead to a student’s involvement in fentanyl (06:53) What does BirdieLight do to bring young adults “closer to safe”? (09:09) How Dr. Weinstock combats the stigma when shedding light on the reality of fentanyl cases. (11:38) Is BirdieLight having an impact? (14:19) Why high schools are pushing back on BirdieLight’s message (16:48) Telling kids to, “just say no,” isn’t going to cut it (17:11) What role does the rampant mental health crisis play in the rise of drug use? (19:21) How students can protect themselves and their friends using test strips to test for fentanyl (21:53) Why carrying Narcan can save lives (23:35) The serendipitous origin of the name BirdieLight (28:47) Transcript:
    Susan Stone: Welcome back to Real Talk with Susan Stone and Kristina Supler. We're full-time moms and attorneys bringing our student defense legal practice to life with real conversations. Today's topic is really going to be a very emotional topic today. We're here to talk about the fentanyl problem that is really impacting the health, welfare, and lives of students across the country, students and adults.
    But our practice focuses on what's happening with all students. 
    Kristina Supler: Susan, over the years, in our cases, we've represented students across the country. And I think we regularly see that particularly college students experimenting with drugs and alcohol it goes hand in hand. And while some students, I don't know, I guess can handle it.
    I think we also see a lot of students who really struggle with the substance abuse and don't recognize all the dangers that can go hand in hand with ingesting various substances. And I think in particular, one thing that we regularly see is sexual assault cases. 
    Susan Stone: Correct. We see, and we've talked about this on our podcast, a real uptick in mental health issues.
    And I don't want to say every case cause that's not accurate, but I think we can fairly say that most cases that we deal with, whether it's about sexual assault or any other form of student misconduct, somewhere in the picture is a use of, or misuse of alcohol or drugs. 
    Kristina Supler: We hear often from the students we work with that sometimes there's substance use or experimentation with drugs, for numbing and students just exploring life. And that's really what brings us to our topic and our speaker today. So Susan, why don't you do the introduction. 
    Susan Stone: We're here with Dr. Beth Weinstock who created an organization called BirdieLight to spread awareness about fentanyl use and this crisis that we have of students dying from the use of fentanyl. Dr. Weinstock, welcome to our show. Can you please just highlight what led to you creating your organization? 
    Dr. Weinstock: Sure. Thanks. And thank you so much for having me on

    • 31 min
    Failure to Launch: Transitioning to Adulthood

    Failure to Launch: Transitioning to Adulthood

    In this episode of Real Talk, KJK Student & Athlete Defense Attorneys Susan Stone and Kristina Supler are joined by Dr. Mark McConville, a renowned clinical psychologist and author experienced in parenting and child development, as well as adult, adolescent, emerging adult and family psychology. They discuss the struggle many young adults experience transitioning from adolescence to adulthood - a phenomenon Dr. McConville has labeled Failure to Launch. The conversation includes how this struggle came about, tips for parents to help their children get through it and anecdotal advice. Transcript:
    Susan Stone:                    Welcome back to Real Talk with Susan Stone and Kristina Supler. We're full-time moms and attorneys, bringing our student defense legal practice to life with real, candid conversations. Today's topic is Failure to Launch.
    Kristina Supler:               We're so pleased today to be joined by Dr. Mark McConville. Dr. McConville is a family clinical psychologist in private practice here in Cleveland, Ohio. He's lectured and published on child development and parenting across the country. And within his private practice, he has really earned a reputation as the preeminent psychologist for working with patients, young adults, primarily, who are struggling with this adolescent to adult transition, a phenomenon he's labeled Failure to Launch. So we are so pleased to be joined today by Mark McConville.
    Susan Stone:                    I do have to add, welcome, Dr. McConville…
    Dr. Mark McConville:     Thank you. Thank you.
    Susan Stone:                    ... his wife was my daughter, Alex's kindergarten teacher. Dr. McConville, we know you're a famous author, but to me you are Mrs. McConville's husband.
    Dr. Mark McConville:     That's right. It's like being married to a rock star. We can't go into a restaurant without some young person jumping up across the way and coming over and giving a big kindergarten hug.
    Kristina Supler:               That's so sweet.
    Susan Stone:                    I love that. Kristina and I had the pleasure of ordering your book on Amazon. And I still remember Kristina coming in that morning, and when I got to the final chapter, and I read that letter you wrote to 20 somethings, and I read the excerpt from your mother, I just started to cry. I could not stop crying. I just want you to know that. And I said to Kristina, maybe it's because I have two kids now out of college, and one who is a sophomore, but your book made me think about my own parenting, myself going through emerging adulthood, and then all of our clients, and it just brought just a torrential amount of tears.
    Kristina Supler:               I so enjoyed the book as well. I have a son and a daughter, they're younger. They're not in high school, but nonetheless through our legal practice and what Susan and I deal with every day, sort of know what lies ahead. And I was so struck by your approach in the book. You demonstrated such kindness towards these young adults who are struggling. And while your advice I think was so rooted in sound psychological theories, I also love that it just had such an element of practicality to it.
    Dr. Mark McConville:     Yeah. That's what comes with being at any line of work for a long time, you begin to tease out what sounds elegant, but isn't really useful. And you discover all kinds of things that are quite ordinary, but are very useful, put in the right context. And one of them, Susan, I certainly did not intend my readers to cry heavily.
    But I really had in mind that people would understand more compassionately what these people are going through. If I put myself in the shoes of being a client, and over the course of my life I have done, several times. But if I don't feel gotten, if I don't feel that I'm talking with a counselor who gets where

    • 51 min

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Down to earth advice on important topics

Really interesting! Susan and Kristina cover need-to-know topics for parents of teenagers. Great listening while I’m on my runs.

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Real talk is real good

Informative topics in a well-produced format. Worth a listen!

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Such great content!

This is a very thoughtful podcast hosted by two industry leaders. Highly, highly recommend.

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