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Welcome to the Run-Run-Live 4.0 Podcast! - This podcast celebrates the transformative power of endurance sports.
This is the next generation follow up to the RunRunLive 2.0 Podcast.
This show is a thoughtful, interview-based format that explores the connection between running, and endurance sports in general and your physical and mental health.
All episodes, show note, links and previous show iterations can be found at www.runrunlive.com

RunRunLive 5.0 - Running Podcast Chris Russell

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    • 4.7 • 132 Ratings

Welcome to the Run-Run-Live 4.0 Podcast! - This podcast celebrates the transformative power of endurance sports.
This is the next generation follow up to the RunRunLive 2.0 Podcast.
This show is a thoughtful, interview-based format that explores the connection between running, and endurance sports in general and your physical and mental health.
All episodes, show note, links and previous show iterations can be found at www.runrunlive.com

    Episode 4XX - RunRunLive 5.0

    Episode 4XX - RunRunLive 5.0

    Intro: Hello my friends and welcome to episode 4 478 of the RunRunLive podcast. You may have noticed that I missed a few weeks in a row here.  It was a combination of things.  Life getting in the way, of course, like it always does, but also, I’m burnt out on the podcast.  But – the bottom line is that it isn’t serving me anymore.  And if it’s not serving me, then it’s not serving you.  And I’m a nice guy.  Nice guys are notoriously bad enders.  They don’t want to offend anyone.  Time for me to step up and be a good ender.  So it’s time to switch things up.  This version of RunRunLive is actually version 4.0.  Version 1.0 was the initial 60-70 shows.  I was trying to learn the technology, and it was the emergence of podcasting.  The audio was bad, but I tried a lot of funny stuff.  It was like we were all a bunch of kids with a new toy. I was also amazed at the people that actually agreed to talk to me.  Then my first website crashed and I had to rebuild.  Version 2.0 of the podcast was much more professional, with better guests and was a time of discovery for me.  And we cleaned up the audio.  Version 3.0 was when I hit my stride and it was a heady time.  That period of my life where I was briefly internet famous for running.  Version 4.0 came about when I tried to stop and couldn’t.  So I changed up the format and started up again.  It’s time for us to move into RunRunLive version 5.0. As with every upgrade there will be bugs, but it is time for a change.  Over the last year, and I’m sure you noticed this, it’s become harder and harder for me to get the shows out.  Why?  Do I have less time?  No, it’s not about time.  It’s about passion.  It’s about having something to say.  When I can’t bring myself to write and record a show then there is something missing, something wrong.  It is not serving me the way it used to.  And if it’s not serving me, it’s not serving you.  I get it that you may be of a different opinion.  I’m grateful for those of you who say nice and encouraging things.  But it’s not you, it’s me.  I know some people model me as an example of sorts, but that’s the avatar I project, which is a bit me, but not the whole me. This, my friends is going to be the last in the 4.0 series of the RunRunLive Podcast. I’m taking some time off to re-tool the show.  Welcome to RunRunLive 5.0 It’s also a new season in my life. I’m not sure I’ll ever be able to run again, or at least train again, like I used to.  But that doesn’t mean I don’t have adventures ahead.  I’m planning two new adventures as we speak.  First I’m planning to ride my mountain bike on the roads across the state of Massachusetts in August.  I already got my coach signed up and I’m already training.  So expect me to not be able to shut up about that. Second, I’m going to shift bases for the summer.  I’m moving my traveling circus down to Cape Cod for this summer.  I believe physical change is the catalyst for mental change.  It’s a bit of the bourgeoisie version of the cabin on Walden Pond, I guess.  I’d like to share these adventures with you.  So – practically what does that mean?  What is on our project plan?  How can you help? First, I’ll keep the podcast feed and files int the same places – so you won’t lose any of that. Second, I’ll drop ad hoc content as I create it, but it won’t be a structured show until I come up with the 5.0 cadence. Third, I’m re-designing the RunRunLive.com website.  I’m going to simplify it to make it more stable and easier to use. I’m going to eliminate the membership option, so those of you still paying rent will see that stop. At some point I’ll move that to a different place.  It’s a major effort as that site is 14 years old and needs some serious help – any wordpress programmers out there be ready, I’m contracting a starving artist to do the redesign but I’m sure I’ll ne

    • 6 min
    Episode 4-477 – The Apocalypse – Nick Sansbury Smith

    Episode 4-477 – The Apocalypse – Nick Sansbury Smith

    The RunRunLive 4.0 Podcast Episode 4-477 – The Apocalypse – Nick Sansbury Smith  (Audio: link) audio:http://www.RunRunLive.com/PodcastEpisodes/epi4477.mp3] Link MarathonBQ – How to Qualify for the Boston Marathon in 14 Weeks - Chris’ other show à Intro: Hello my friends and welcome to episode 4 477 of the RunRunLive podcast. Here we are a week after the 126th Boston Marathon.  I have no entertaining race report for you.  I didn’t run.  But somehow the race managed to pull itself up and run without me.  In section one I’m going to talk about this year’s Boston Marathon.  In section two I’m going to talk about how to understand and leverage the fear of loss to achieve your goals. And in today’s interview I speak with triathlete and Indy author Nick Sansbury Smith.  It’s a great chat.  I wanted to ask Nick how he manages to be a successful independent author and still manage to stay healthy.  Turns out he works his ass off.  I’m going to keep interviewing people until I find that one who spends 3 hours a day working and is highly successful.  I know they’re out there! I’ve been working myself.  I think that’s the real secret.  To realize you’re going to get up a work everyday until you can’t anymore, but to figure out how to get something out of it – so you’re working on your own terms.  Spring is springing up around here.  Trees are starting to bust out.  My cherry tree and my forsythia bushes are flowering.  My blueberry bushes and raspberries are starting to bud up as well. My chives wintered over from last year.  As a matter of fact the chives have escaped into the woods and gone feral.  They’re out there competing with the poison ivy for world-forest-dominance.  I’m feeling pretty healthy.  I’m back on a clean eating routine.  I am walking Ollie a mile a day in the trails and I’ve got a pretty good fitness routine going that I’ll talk about in the outro.  One advantage of not running a marathon last weekend is that I can start working on my yard without fear of ruining my race!  This weekend I think I’ll turn over the gardens if the weather stays nice.  I’m contemplating spending some, if not all of the summer down on Cape Cod in my other house.  Now that I’ve chased the racoon out.  So I told my wife that she can use my garden beds to plant her cut flowers.  It’s good to give the vegetables a rest every few years.   I do have a fresh crop of hybrid tomatoes for this year.  I got a good germination rate.  14 out of 15 seeds are going strong under the grow lights.  It’s a beautiful thing.  How are you doing?  It looks like the pandemic is winding down.  More like people just stopped worrying about it.  But, did it help you think about your priorities?  Maybe be kinder to yourself?  I wanted to talk with Nick because he is a very successful independent author.  And that’s not easy.  The new world of publishing is a double edge sword.  The internet removed the old gate keepers so now anyone who wants to be a published author can do it.  No one has to give you permission.  The other side of that cutting edge is that this creates a vast, noisy soup of mediocrity the is hard to stand out in.  They freed the authors’ voices and simultaneously commoditized them. And this is true of all artists in this new frame of reference.  Artists are free to create.  They are free and enabled to release their creations out into the world.  From the garage bands to dancers, everyone can take their shot.  But it’s still work.  Especially if you define success as commercial success, which you don’t have to, but if you do, it’s now on you to create that success and differentiate from the throng.  Now we have turned our starving artists into hustlers.  Like I said, It’s a double edged sword.  And you might say that this artistic Darwinism is good for everyone, the cram floats to the top.  And this is true.  But the vast mi

    • 51 min
    Episode 4-476 – MK Lever – Dystopian College Athletics

    Episode 4-476 – MK Lever – Dystopian College Athletics

    The RunRunLive 4.0 Podcast Episode 4-476 – MK Lever – Dystopian College Athletics  (Audio: link) audio:http://www.RunRunLive.com/PodcastEpisodes/epi4476.mp3] Link MarathonBQ – How to Qualify for the Boston Marathon in 14 Weeks - Chris’ other show à Intro: Hello my friends and welcome to episode 4 476 of the RunRunLive podcast. Today we have a super interesting talk with MK Lever about her dystopian college athletics novel Surviving the second tier.  It’s a hard book to categorize.  On the one hand it’s a near-future dystopian novel about college sports.  On the other it’s a scholarly critique of the current college sports power dynamic and some of its most destructive aspects.  And then there’s a love story and a rocky-esque championship tension and drama.  Like I said, it’s tough to categorize.  And that makes it hard for a novel because we humans love to label and categorize.  Our brains go all weird and fuzzy if we can’t.  You can see this in every review where they say ‘it’s like X’ or even in startup pitches where they will always say something like ‘it’s the Uber of grocery’.  And that inevitably makes it hard on books and businesses to gain traction.  They have to forge their own paths.  They have to create their own market.  Sometimes it works, because that cross-pollination finds a new unserved and undeveloped market niche.  Sometimes it doesn’t work because it takes a lot of energy to create something totally new.  You have to explain to people what it is before you can sell them something.  There’s an old joke about pioneers typically having short lives. Anyhow… That’s who we talk to today.  In section one I’ll talk about this year’s Boston Marathon because it is next week and for the first time in a couple decades I’m not going to be participating.  I feel like I should say more about that, but I’m, let me just say this, and maybe I’m just having a good day, but I feel like I’ve moved into the 6th stage of grief, which is celebration.  No seriously I was out at Starbucks today and realize I’m wearing a Boston Hat and a NYC jacket and wondering what I’ll say if someone asks me about it, like “Are you running the marathon this year?” and how my usual response for the last year has been to apologize, “No, I hurt me knee.” But, thinking about the stories behind this hat and this jacket, all I can really say right now is “No, not this year, but I did, and how cool is that?” In section two I’m going to talk about garbage.  Because, yeah, garbage. I’ve totally stopped running because my knee was too painful.  It’s been a year or so now so my fitness is at an all time low.  It’s interesting.  I think about that motivational speech where the motivator says “Running is hard.  Being fat and out of shape is hard.  Choose your hard.” And it’s true.  Being unfit is hard. I’ve got some plans to change that and we’ll talk a more in the outro. Going back to the Dystopian novel topic.  What MK is doing here is one of the things I really like about the creative vehicle of fiction generally and science fiction in particular.  Setting stories in the future or on a different planet allows the creator a safe place to play with ideas.  To sketch out alternatives to today.  MK does that.  Think of other novels you may have heard of that do this?  How about HG Wells The Time Machine? It’s really a commentary on the class system.  Or Brave new world by Huxley?  Or 1984 or Animal Farm by Orwell.  Or the Hand Maiden’s Tale.  Dystopian novels aren’t about the future.  They’re about us.  They’re the equivalent of Marley’s Ghost showing us the what ifs of our choices, as people, and as a society. That’s your homework.  Read or listen to a dystopian classic and learn something about yourself.  On with the show.   About Zero ZERO — The End of Prostate Cancer is the leading national nonprofit with the

    • 55 min
    Episode 4-475 – Kayla – Plant-based Coach

    Episode 4-475 – Kayla – Plant-based Coach

    The RunRunLive 4.0 Podcast Episode 4-475 – Kayla – Plant-based Coach  (Audio: link) audio:http://www.RunRunLive.com/PodcastEpisodes/epi4475.mp3] Link MarathonBQ – How to Qualify for the Boston Marathon in 14 Weeks - Chris’ other show à Intro: Hello my friends and welcome to episode 4475 of the RunRunLive podcast. Here we are.  Back at it again. Today we talk with Kayla who is a coach and specializes in a plant-based methodology for her athletes.  We had a good chat  and I think we can always learn from coaches, that’s why I talk o them a lot.  Coaches have the advantage of experience.  Not only their own direct knowledge and experience, but the leverage of the experience of everyone they coach.  Because when you teach, you also learn. It’s been a long couple weeks since we talked.  My new role at work has been weighting me down.  It’s hard to switch gears to being a creative form being mentally engaged at work. Even though, as you’ll hear in today’s show, I haven’t been running at all I still struggle to find time to do everything I’ve signed myself up for.  But we keep moving.  Like the characters in my apocalypse story we find a way to survive.  In section one I’m going to talk about how you can handle getting injured close to a race.  In section two I’m going to talk about writing. I’ll move you into the episode with an interesting, to me, etymological side path.  It has to do with sheep.  I have been doing a lot of reading.  I usually read 2-3 books at a time.  This week I was reading two of these books and came across the same phrase in both of the books in the same day, so I figured I should look it up.  The word was “Woolgathering”.  You may know this as a phrase, but it’s a word.  You don’t, at least I don’t, hear it much in day-to-day usage, and when you do it’s a bit quaint.  It means ‘to be lost in thought.  It came into English in the 1500’s when modern English was being formed.  Here’s how it works.  England at the time was a big wool producer.  They had a lot of sheep.  When the sheep wandered around and rubbed up against things tufts of wool would get stuck.  So woolgathering was the process of sending someone, probably a kid, out to wander about collecting these bits of wool.  Not very profitable use of time.  There are a lot of wool-related phrases.  “Pulling the wool over someone’s eyes” is from the same time period.  It refers to the fact that judges wore wigs made of wool.  When a shyster tired to trick them it was like he was pulling their wig over their eyes so they could see. Or how about form the same time period “Dyed in the wool”? Yeah that’s when you put the die into the raw wool before it’s made into cloth.  It fixes the color better.  So when you’re ‘dyed in the wool’ it means you have fixed something in the beginning. The word ‘wool’ itself goes way back to the original Indo-European root word Hwol.  So there ya go.  A bit of etymological woolgathering. On with the show.   About Zero ZERO — The End of Prostate Cancer is the leading national nonprofit with the mission to end prostate cancer. ZERO advances research, improves the lives of men and families, and inspires action. Link to my ZERO page: (for Donations) … I’ll remind you that the RunRunLive podcast is ad free and listener supported.  What does that mean? It means you don’t have to listen to me trying to sound sincere about Stamps.com or Audible.. (although, fyi, my MarathonBQ book is on audible) We do have a membership option where you can become a member and as a special thank you, you will get access to member’s only audio. There are book reviews, odd philosophical thoughts, zombie stories and I curate old episodes for you to listen to.  I recently added that guy who cut off is foot so he could keep training and my first call with Geoff Galloway.   “Curated” means I add some introductory comments and edit t

    • 49 min
    Episode 4-474 – Frank Shorter

    Episode 4-474 – Frank Shorter

      The RunRunLive 4.0 Podcast Episode 4-474 – Frank Shorter  (Audio: link) audio:http://www.RunRunLive.com/PodcastEpisodes/epi4474.mp3] Link MarathonBQ – How to Qualify for the Boston Marathon in 14 Weeks - Chris’ other show à Intro: Hello my long suffering friends.  How are you?  Well it’s been a busy two weeks since the last time we chatted.  And I truly missed.  I get lonely.  I worry.  Where have you been?  How do we know you’re not dead in a ditch? Today I’m going to mess with the format again.  I managed to write a really funny piece about varmints that I’m going to perform for you, but it came out at 2000 + words so I’m going to push that after the interview, skip section one and use the intro here to talk about our guest. Frank Shorter.  Yes that Frank Shorter.  It was one of those interviews where I was hopelessly overwhelmed by content and just did my best to touch on a couple fun things with him.  But, the rich tapestry of Frank’s life does not fit easily into a 20 minute conversation – so I’m going to fill in some of the blanks here. Frank was born, ironically in Munich Germany, where he would eventually return to win the Gold Medal in the marathon at the 1972 Olympics.  His Father was a physician in the army.  Frank grew up in a troubled home in upstate New York.  He started running to get away from an abusive father.  Running gave him the freedom we all know and love.  To get him away from his father, his mother arranged to have him sent to a prep school in Massachusetts where he was given the space to expand his running talents.  He went on to run at Yale for his undergraduate and won a number of NCAA titles.  He moved on to Gainesville Florida to study for his law degree – all the while training and racing at an elite level.  The thing about Franks journey in the 70’s was that he showed up at all the marathon runner hotspots with all the legends.  He trained with that famous Florida track club with Jeff Galloway and crew.  He was in Oregon with Prefontaine.  Frank taught Steve how to Ski.  Frank was with Steve before he was killed.  Frank won the elite Fukuoka Marathon . He was the #1 ranked marathon runner in the USA for 5 straight years and in the world for 3. He won the gold medal at the Munich Olympics in 1972.  You may not remember 1972, but this was the Olympics where the world learned about terrorism.  A crew of Palestinians broke into athlete’s village and held the Israeli Olympic team hostage, murdering some of them. Frank was sleeping on the balcony and heard the gunshots.  Coming full circle, Frank was right there on Boylston Street in Boston in 2013 when the bombs went off.  He won the silver medal in the 1976 games losing to an unknow East German athlete, who most likely was a drug cheat.  Frank has become instrumental in removing drugs from the Olympics – a battle that still rages. Through all this he trained himself with an uncanny mixture of speedwork and volume.  He managed to stay healthy and race across 100+ mile weeks for a decade.  Frank eventually ended up in Boulder where he was the founder of the iconic Boulder Boulder race.  He’s an amazing athlete, a humble, kind and generous guy and I’m sure I’ll be talking to him again. He even has an IMDB page for his roles in several movies!  Great guy, full life, enjoyed meeting him.  … What’s going on in my world?  I’m still training for the Flying Pig in May.  My knee is still a mess, but I’m enjoying when I can. I try to get Ollie out, but the weather has been horrific and I’m at the point in my life where I see less and less merit in unnecessary misery. Hey – a quick heads up – did you see Steve Runner is podcasting again?  Yeah – Pheddipidations is back from the dead.  And it’s not the angry political Steve.  It’s the old runner Steve.  Give it a resubscribe and listen.  It’s good to hear his rational voice. I did manage to get a coupl

    • 48 min
    A whole lot of nuthin...

    A whole lot of nuthin...

    Going to skip a week.  Chris,  

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4.7 out of 5
132 Ratings

132 Ratings

Another Older Mother Runner ,

What BBounous said, in review below

I’m pretty sure I have listened to every episode & am always happy to see a new episode in my feed. Chris is such a great teacher, leader, & all-around fun running buddy. “I’ll see you out there.”

BBounous ,

One of the first, One of the best

Relatable and insightful. Not a gear head and not a perfectionist. Also has some published works directed to mid-packers. He is the guy you want to be in a running club with. Optimistic and cheerful but knows his limits and values coaching. Occasionally is a dork, occasionally gets hurt. Pretty much a guy you want to know.

Runner1208 ,

My first podcast and still the best

I have listened to all the back episodes to catch up and always want more. Chris always has good topics. No matter what i am listening to when a new RRL drops i go straight to it!

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