Principle of Charity

Emile Sherman, Lloyd Vogelman
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Principle of Charity

Are you ready to burst your filter bubble? To hit pause on righteous anger? Principle of Charity injects curiosity and generosity back into difficult conversations, bringing together two expert guests with opposing views on big social issues. But here’s the twist: as well as passionately advocating their own views, each guest is challenged to present the best, most generous version of the other’s argument. This unique format comes from an ancient idea - the principle of charity - which tells us to seek the truth, not to win the fight; to truly understand the other before we instinctively reject them. The podcast is hosted by Emile Sherman and Lloyd Vogelman. Emile is an Academy and Emmy Award-winning film & TV producer who’s obsessively curious about ideas and holds onto the naïve belief that a generous conversion is still the best way to get to the truth. Lloyd has a doctorate in psychology, spent years as a leader in the fight against apartheid before building reconciliation in South Africa, and describes himself as a recovering extremist who’s passionate about the potential to change our minds. @PofCharity on Twitter, @PrincipleofCharity on Facebook and @PrincipleofCharityPodcast on Instagram. You can find Emile at: @EmileSherman on Twitter, @EmileSherman on Linkedin, You can find Lloyd at: @Lloydvogelman on Linkedin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Producers: Jonah Primo - Find at Jonahprimo.com or @Jonahprimo on Instagram Bronwen Reid Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  1. NOV 4

    Can Degrowth Save the Planet? Pt. 2 On the Couch

    This week economist Gene Tunny and activist-scholar Anitra Nelson join host Lloyd Vogelman on the couch for an unfiltered conversation that digs into the personal side of the Principle of Charity. Can two diametrically opposed thinkers meet in the middle when it’s planetary survival that’s at stake?  BIOS Gene Tunny is the Founder and Director of Adept Economics and the current President of the Queensland branch of the Economic Society of Australia. He is also an Adjunct Lecturer in economics at Griffith University and an Adjunct Fellow at the Centre for Independent Studies (CIS). He hosts the Economics Explored podcast. Gene is a former Treasury official who led teams in the Treasury’s budget and industry policy divisions.   Associate Professor Anitra Nelson is an activist-scholar with the Informal Urbanism Research Hub (InfUr-) at University of Melbourne. Her books include Beyond Money: A Postcapitalist Strategy (2022) and Small is Necessary: Shared Living on a Shared Planet (2018). She is co-author of Exploring Degrowth (2020) and co-editor of Post-Carbon Inclusion (2024), Housing for Degrowth: Principles, Models, Challenges and Opportunities (2018) and Food for Degrowth: Perspectives and Practices (2021). Anitra is on the Scientific Advisory Committee for the joint International Society for Ecological Economics–Degrowth Conference, to be held 24-27 June 2025, in Oslo (Norway) and holds a PhD from LaTrobe University (Australia). See more – https://anitranelson.info/ CREDITS Your hosts are Lloyd Vogelman and Emile Sherman   This podcast is proud to partner with The Ethics Centre Find Lloyd @LloydVogelman on Linked in Find Emile @EmileSherman on Linked In and X This podcast is produced by Jonah Primo and Sabrina Organo Find Jonah at jonahprimo.com or @JonahPrimo on Instagram    Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information   Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    35 min

  2. OCT 28

    Can Degrowth Save the Planet?

    In this episode we’re joined by economist Gene Tunny and activist-scholar Anitra Nelson to ask whether degrowth can save the planet, or if we should stay the current economic course.     As recently as 150 years ago, pretty much everyone was living in what we’d now call extreme poverty. Thanks to capitalism, that rate is now just 9%, with a reduction of 38% in the last 30 years alone.    So what’s the problem? Well, for one thing, we’ve been plundering the natural world to fuel our growth, with little regard for its limitations. And it’s come back to bite us.   A regular economist might say – no problem. Let’s just price in the cost of climate pollution, and natural capital, recognising that we’ll need governments to take the lead. But there’s a growing challenge to market-centrism from a number of movements who share a belief that a bit more government regulation is not going to get to the root of the problem; our erroneous assumption that the natural world is limitless. Degrowth argues that we can’t save the planet, or end the systemic ills of capitalism like inequality, using the tools that created the problem in the first place. That our addiction to growth needs to be cut at its roots. It argues for a paradigm shift which sees wellbeing decoupled from economic growth. It envisages a different way of being, of caring and relating to each other, of flourishing itself, that’s in harmony with our more noble instincts, unperverted by our current system of exploitation.  BIOS Gene Tunny is the Founder and Director of Adept Economics and the current President of the Queensland branch of the Economic Society of Australia. He is also an Adjunct Lecturer in economics at Griffith University and an Adjunct Fellow at the Centre for Independent Studies (CIS). He hosts the Economics Explored podcast. Gene is a former Treasury official who led teams in the Treasury’s budget and industry policy divisions.   Associate Professor Anitra Nelson is an activist-scholar with the Informal Urbanism Research Hub (InfUr-) at University of Melbourne. Her books include Beyond Money: A Postcapitalist Strategy (2022) and Small is Necessary: Shared Living on a Shared Planet (2018). She is co-author of Exploring Degrowth (2020) and co-editor of Post-Carbon Inclusion (2024), Housing for Degrowth: Principles, Models, Challenges and Opportunities (2018) and Food for Degrowth: Perspectives and Practices (2021). Anitra is on the Scientific Advisory Committee for the joint International Society for Ecological Economics–Degrowth Conference, to be held 24-27 June 2025, in Oslo (Norway) and holds a PhD from LaTrobe University (Australia). See more – https://anitranelson.info/ CREDITS Your hosts are Lloyd Vogelman and Emile Sherman   This podcast is proud to partner with The Ethics Centre Find Lloyd @LloydVogelman on Linked in Find Emile @EmileSherman on Linked In and X This podcast is produced by Jonah Primo and Sabrina Organo Find Jonah at jonahprimo.com or @JonahPrimo on Instagram    Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information   Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    56 min

  3. OCT 7

    Should We Give Up on Journalism? Pt.2 On the Couch

    Lloyd meets Annabel on the couch to ask some crunchy questions. Including but not limited to: What makes a good leader? And to what extent is journalism responsible for partisan attack politics? Annabel Crabb Annabel Crabb is an Australian political journalist, commentator and television host who is the ABC's chief online political writer. She has worked for Adelaide's The Advertiser, The Sydney Morning Herald, The Age, The Sunday Age and The Sun-Herald, and won a Walkley Award in 2009 for her Quarterly Essay, "Stop at Nothing: The Life and Adventures of Malcolm Turnbull". She has written two books covering events within the Australian Labor Party, as well as The Wife Drought, a book about women's work–life balance, and two cookbooks with her friend and collaborator, Wendy Sharpe. She has hosted ABC television shows Kitchen Cabinet, The House, Back in Time for Dinner and Tomorrow Tonight. Annabel is the co-founder of the hit podcast Chat 10 Looks 3, which she co-hosts with Leigh Sales, now in its 10th year. CREDITS Your hosts are Lloyd Vogelman and Emile Sherman   This podcast is proud to partner with The Ethics Centre Find Lloyd @LloydVogelman on Linked in Find Emile @EmileSherman on Linked In and X This podcast is produced by Jonah Primo and Sabrina Organo Find Jonah at jonahprimo.com or @JonahPrimo on Instagram    Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    23 min

  4. SEP 30

    Spotlight with Annabel Crabb: Should We Give Up on Journalism?

    The inimitable Annabel Crabb joins us for this special spotlight episode where we shine a light on the changing impact of journalism in a shifting media landscape. In a world where truth is increasingly contested, can the fourth estate still be trusted to deliver reliable information which brings us together into some sort of shared reality?  Or has our trust in journalism been irrevocably broken by the ‘democratisation’ of information - the relentless immediacy of self-selecting delivery platforms - as well as the unabating attacks of all political sides, who too often claim that it's just a front for power or an opinion, or even worse, a home for misinformation. How can we rebuild trust in the news, recognising its limitations while understanding its critical role in a well-functioning society? As to disagree productively, we need a shared reality as our foundation. Annabel Crabb Annabel Crabb is an Australian political journalist, commentator and television host who is the ABC's chief online political writer. She has worked for Adelaide's The Advertiser, The Sydney Morning Herald, The Age, The Sunday Age and The Sun-Herald, and won a Walkley Award in 2009 for her Quarterly Essay, "Stop at Nothing: The Life and Adventures of Malcolm Turnbull". She has written two books covering events within the Australian Labor Party, as well as The Wife Drought, a book about women's work–life balance, and two cookbooks with her friend and collaborator, Wendy Sharpe. She has hosted ABC television shows Kitchen Cabinet, The House, Back in Time for Dinner and Tomorrow Tonight. Annabel is the co-founder of the hit podcast Chat 10 Looks 3, which she co-hosts with Leigh Sales, now in its 10th year. CREDITS Your hosts are Lloyd Vogelman and Emile Sherman   This podcast is proud to partner with The Ethics Centre Find Lloyd @LloydVogelman on Linked in Find Emile @EmileSherman on Linked In and X This podcast is produced by Jonah Primo and Sabrina Organo Find Jonah at jonahprimo.com or @JonahPrimo on Instagram    Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    41 min

  5. SEP 9

    Is Philanthropy Good for Society? Pt. 2 On the Couch

    This week billionaire philanthropist Nicolas Berggruen and philosopher Dr David Blunt  join host Lloyd Vogelman on the couch for an unfiltered conversation that digs into the personal side of the Principle of Charity. BIOS Nicolas Berggruen is the Founder and Chairman of the Berggruen Institute and has spearheaded its growth, establishing its presence in Los Angeles, Beijing, and Venice. Focusing on great transformations in the human condition brought on by factors such as climate change, the restructuring of global economics and politics, and advances in science and technology, the Institute seeks to connect and develop ideas in the human sciences to the pursuit of practical improvements in governance across cultures, disciplines, and political boundaries. Committed to visual arts and architecture, Berggruen sits on the boards of the Museum Berggruen, Berlin, and the Los Angeles County Museum of Art. He is a member of the International Councils for Tate, London; the Museum of Modern Art, New York; Fondation Beyeler, Basel; and of the President’s International Council for The J. Paul Getty Trust, Los Angeles. Berggruen has also collaborated on projects with renowned architects including David Adjaye and Shigeru Ban. Berggruen is co-author with Nathan Gardels of Renovating Democracy: Governing in the Age of Globalization and Digital Capitalism (University of California Press) and Intelligent Governance for the 21st Century, a Financial Times Book of the Year, and is co-publisher of Noema Magazine. Nicolas Berggruen is Chairman of Berggruen Holdings, the investment vehicle of the Nicolas Berggruen Charitable Trust. Gwilym David Blunt is a writer and commentator on global politics and philosophy. David was born in Toronto, Canada. He has his BA (hons) in Political Science and History from the University of Western Ontario for which he was awarded a university gold medal. He has taken his MPhil in Political Thought and Intellectual History from the University of Cambridge. He was awarded a PhD in Political Science from University College London for his thesis Transnational Justice, Philanthropy, and Domination. He was a Temporary University Lecturer and Leverhulme Early Career Fellow at the University of Cambridge, where he was also a fellow of Corpus Christi College. From 2015-2022 he was a Lecturer and then Senior Lecturer in International Politics at City, University of London. He now lives and works in Sydney, Australia. CREDITS Your hosts are Lloyd Vogelman and Emile Sherman   This podcast is proud to partner with The Ethics Centre Find Lloyd @LloydVogelman on Linked in Find Emile @EmileSherman on Linked In and X This podcast is produced by Jonah Primo and Sabrina Organo Find Jonah at jonahprimo.com or @JonahPrimo on Instagram      Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    25 min

  6. SEP 2

    Is Philanthropy Good for Society?

    In this episode we’re joined by billionaire and philanthropist Nicolas Berggruen and philosopher David Blunt, to consider the merits and pitfalls of charitable giving in a world rife with inequity.  Whether we think of inequality as simply an outcome of meritocracies that reward talent and ambition, or we’re suspicious of the system itself, there seems to be one thing we can all agree upon: it’s important for those who do disproportionately well to help those in need, beyond just paying their fair share of taxes. In fact, charity is a fundamental virtue across any religion worth its name. And in the secular morality of liberal democracies, it’s axiomatic to say that we have a duty to those who are less fortunate. And while we might prefer that governments solve all social ills, we recognise the need for not-for-profits to fill gaps left unattended by public programs - a need bolstered by the recognition that private philanthropy may be more nimble, experimental and adaptive, and ultimately more effective than their cumbersome government cousins.   But like any virtue, philanthropy has been accused of casting a shadow - one that calls into question the whole endeavour itself. Philanthropy has become a $2.3 trillion USD per annum worldwide industry. The Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, the largest private philanthropic foundation in the world, provides grants of over $8 billion per annum - nearly double the total foreign aid budget of Australia.Without the accountability that binds programs run by democratically elected governments, the biggest private foundations can have oversized influences on the choice of recipients, the issues and the approaches that are deemed most worthy. And because they often partner with governments, they can have a huge impact not just on how their own giving is distributed, but on the way taxpayer foreign aid is handed out.  This can leave the super rich, turned super philanthropists, with an ability to exert significant control over the lives of the needy, even stripping them, as some critics argue, of their basic agency and autonomy. There is also the question of the benefits that flow to philanthropists – either directly through related business interests, or in the way their power, influence and connections are enhanced through their philanthropic endeavours.  Nicolas Berggruen is the Founder and Chairman of the Berggruen Institute and has spearheaded its growth, establishing its presence in Los Angeles, Beijing, and Venice. Focusing on great transformations in the human condition brought on by factors such as climate change, the restructuring of global economics and politics, and advances in science and technology, the Institute seeks to connect and develop ideas in the human sciences to the pursuit of practical improvements in governance across cultures, disciplines, and political boundaries. Gwilym David Blunt is a writer and commentator on global politics and philosophy. He has his BA (hons) in Political Science and History from the University of Western Ontario for which he was awarded a university gold medal. He has taken his MPhil in Political Thought and Intellectual History from the University of Cambridge. He was awarded a PhD in Political Science from University College London for his thesis Transnational Justice, Philanthropy, and Domination. From 2015-2022 he was a Lecturer and then Senior Lecturer in International Politics at City, University of London. Your hosts are Lloyd Vogelman and Emile Sherman This podcast is proud to partner with The Ethics Centre Find Lloyd @LloydVogelman on Linked in, Find Emile @EmileSherman on Linked In and X This podcast is produced by Jonah Primo and Sabrina Organo, Find Jonah at jonahprimo.com or @JonahPrimo on Instagram Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    56 min

  7. AUG 12

    Do We Still Need Books? Pt. 2 On the Couch

    Do books have a future in the new digital world order? And can we engage productively with problematic cultural content? This week luminary philosopher A.C Grayling and cultural content creator Mary McGillivray join host Lloyd Vogelman on the couch for an unfiltered conversation that digs into the personal side of the Principle of Charity. A. C. Grayling CBE MA DPhil is the Principal of Northeastern University London and its Professor of Philosophy. He is a Supernumerary Fellow of St Anne's College, Oxford. He is the author of over thirty books of philosophy, biography, history of ideas and essays. He was a columnist for The Guardian, The Times and Prospect Magazine. He has twice been a judge for The Booker Prize, in 2014 serving as the Chair of the judging panel. He is a Fellow of the Royal Society of Arts, a Fellow of the Royal Society of Literature, a Vice President of Humanists UK, Patron of the Defence Humanists, Honorary Associate of the Secular Society and a Patron of Dignity in Dying. Mary McGillivray is a content creator making visual culture analysis accessible for the next generation. She holds a Masters degree in History of Art and Architecture from The University of Cambridge and is currently a PhD candidate at The University of Melbourne. Mary has worked with art galleries and cultural institutions across Australia, the UK and Europe to bring their collections to a massive online audience of highly engaged young viewers and she also appears on ABC Arts. CREDITS Your hosts are Lloyd Vogelman and Emile Sherman   This podcast is proud to partner with The Ethics Centre Find Lloyd @LloydVogelman on Linked in Find Emile @EmileSherman on Linked In and X This podcast is produced by Jonah Primo and Sabrina Organo Find Jonah at jonahprimo.com or @JonahPrimo on Instagram    Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    34 min

  8. AUG 5

    Do We Still Need Books?

    This special episode was recorded live at the 2024 Sydney Writers’ Festival with Emile and Lloyd joined on stage by eminent philosopher A.C Grayling and digital content creator Mary McGillivray. Together they consider the merits and pitfalls of various forms of factual information distribution.  This is arguably the greatest time in the history of the world for reading, with literally the entirety of human knowledge available in books or in the online world of articles, blogs etc. If you want to develop a deep understanding of the world we live in, you just have to read.  But with the rise of online video platforms like YouTube and TikTok, many people - young people in particular, are getting their factual content, not from reading, but from these alternative sources.  Research has shown that we are evolutionarily adapted to taking in knowledge audiovisually - we apparently process video images 60,000 times faster than text - and that reading, as a form of communication is complex and inefficient. For a long time, reading was the only available technology to disseminate ideas beyond the campfire, fuelled most powerfully by the invention of the printing press. Now that we have the technology to create video content, which sits most naturally with the way we’re evolved to take in information, maybe we should thank reading for its help in bridging the techno- gap, and let our books collect dust as we finally return to the way we most naturally absorb knowledge about the world. In this conversation we look at the tsunami of non-fiction video content that has taken so many young people’s attention away from the written word, and ask whether it’s a merciful release from the boring and inefficient world of reading, a release into a promised land of enlivened, engaging, memorable video content, or whether it signals a slow spiral into a shallow, unfocused, unimaginative and insubstantial way of understanding of the world we live in. ~~~~ You can be part of the discussion @PofCharity on Twitter, @PrincipleofCharity on Facebook and @PrincipleofCharityPodcast on Instagram.   Your hosts are Lloyd Vogelman and Emile Sherman.   Find Lloyd @LloydVogelman on Linked in   Find Emile @EmileSherman on Linked In and Twitter.   This Podcast is Produced by Jonah Primo and Sabrina Organo   Find Jonah at jonahprimo.com or @JonahPrimo on Instagram   Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    54 min
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Are you ready to burst your filter bubble? To hit pause on righteous anger? Principle of Charity injects curiosity and generosity back into difficult conversations, bringing together two expert guests with opposing views on big social issues. But here’s the twist: as well as passionately advocating their own views, each guest is challenged to present the best, most generous version of the other’s argument. This unique format comes from an ancient idea - the principle of charity - which tells us to seek the truth, not to win the fight; to truly understand the other before we instinctively reject them. The podcast is hosted by Emile Sherman and Lloyd Vogelman. Emile is an Academy and Emmy Award-winning film & TV producer who’s obsessively curious about ideas and holds onto the naïve belief that a generous conversion is still the best way to get to the truth. Lloyd has a doctorate in psychology, spent years as a leader in the fight against apartheid before building reconciliation in South Africa, and describes himself as a recovering extremist who’s passionate about the potential to change our minds. @PofCharity on Twitter, @PrincipleofCharity on Facebook and @PrincipleofCharityPodcast on Instagram. You can find Emile at: @EmileSherman on Twitter, @EmileSherman on Linkedin, You can find Lloyd at: @Lloydvogelman on Linkedin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Producers: Jonah Primo - Find at Jonahprimo.com or @Jonahprimo on Instagram Bronwen Reid Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Emile Sherman, Lloyd Vogelman
  • Years Active
    2021 - 2024
  • Episodes
    67
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    © Emile Sherman, Lloyd Vogelman, Jonah Vogelman
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