51 episodes

Marketing and business strategy podcast for executives and marketing leaders who want to improve outcomes from marketing.
Marketing veterans Devin Bramhall (Animalz, Help Scout) & Margaret Kelsey (InVision, OpenView) use their combined 20+ years of experience to increase the business impact of marketing by creating shared understanding of its purpose and outcomes among marketing leaders, founders/CEOs & others in the C-suite.
Join us for in-depth conversations about B2B marketing behind the scenes:How to run effective marketing teamsHiring best-in-class marketing teamsMarketing strategy: Product-led Growth (PLG), Community marketing, Influencer marketing, micro influencersTrends in B2B marketing: AI, TikTok, YouTube, LinkedIn, social platforms, email, and moreCreated in partnership with Share Your Genius
An award-winning B2B podcast production company: https://www.shareyourgenius.com/

Don't Say Content Devin Bramhall & Margaret Kelsey

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    • 5.0 • 31 Ratings

Marketing and business strategy podcast for executives and marketing leaders who want to improve outcomes from marketing.
Marketing veterans Devin Bramhall (Animalz, Help Scout) & Margaret Kelsey (InVision, OpenView) use their combined 20+ years of experience to increase the business impact of marketing by creating shared understanding of its purpose and outcomes among marketing leaders, founders/CEOs & others in the C-suite.
Join us for in-depth conversations about B2B marketing behind the scenes:How to run effective marketing teamsHiring best-in-class marketing teamsMarketing strategy: Product-led Growth (PLG), Community marketing, Influencer marketing, micro influencersTrends in B2B marketing: AI, TikTok, YouTube, LinkedIn, social platforms, email, and moreCreated in partnership with Share Your Genius
An award-winning B2B podcast production company: https://www.shareyourgenius.com/

    Building Relationships is Free: Balancing Budget + Creativity in Marketing (with Rachel Elsts Downey)

    Building Relationships is Free: Balancing Budget + Creativity in Marketing (with Rachel Elsts Downey)

    Marketing is really just relationship-building at scale. But within that "scale" are activities that aren't 100% programmable. That's what a successful marketing mix looks like. But explaining that to stakeholders isn't always easy. As marketers we have to be both business strategists, human connectors and creatives. Today we're talking with Rachel Elsts Downey, founder/CEO of Share Your Genius, about the growth strategies available in tight economic climates and how no aspects of marketing are, in fact, dead.
    Resources: Connect with Rachel: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rachelelstsdowney/Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.dontsaycontent.com/
    Created in partnership with Share Your Genius: https://www.shareyourgenius.com/

    • 57 min
    CMOs Are (Also) Anxious Right Now

    CMOs Are (Also) Anxious Right Now

    It’s 5 pm, do you know how your CMO is doing? You probably do, because they are anxiously wading through the same muck wondering how they are going to deliver consistent results while the foundation of their industry and macro environment are in tumult. 

    The average day of a CMO right involves trying to strategically plan growth when even demand gen playbooks aren’t functioning like they used to, buyers are taking longer at every stage of the journey, budgets are both reduced and less consistent QoQ, and no one wtf is going to happen with interest rates, search, AI, the election, wars, etc will impact their companies, campaigns, day-to-day lives. 

    So yeah, CMOs are feeling it, too, and we talked to a few for this episode as a kind of group hug and reminder: You’re not alone!

    Resources: 
    Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.dontsaycontent.com/
    Created in partnership with Share Your Genius: https://www.shareyourgenius.com/

    • 40 min
    What Should a Marketing Team Look Like NOW?

    What Should a Marketing Team Look Like NOW?

    What makes a marketing function successful today? 
    There are new trends and old playbooks, but what marketers do startups really need? And what about bigger companies? 

    We talk structure, success, and our big dreams for what it looks like in the future. 
    Join us as we chat through what types of marketers we see rising to the top now, and how marketing can best align and structure itself to grow into the future.

    Resources: 
    Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.dontsaycontent.com/
    Created in partnership with Share Your Genius: https://www.shareyourgenius.com/

    • 42 min
    Personal Branding: You’re (Still) Being Silly About It

    Personal Branding: You’re (Still) Being Silly About It

    We talked about it way back in season 1. Today, what we’re interested in is: What personal brand currently does for individuals, particularly in a world where there's waning trust among institutions and executives? 

    Personal branding is reputation. As tech moves faster, channels change more rapidly, you have to  harness your reputation. Yes, even if you’re B2B. Actually, ESPECIALLY if you’re B2B. 

    You have a personal brand, regardless if you’re activating it through social channels. Even if you don’t want to be an “influencer”, this episode is for you. 

    Resources: 
    Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.dontsaycontent.com/
    Created in partnership with Share Your Genius: https://www.shareyourgenius.com/

    • 40 min
    Does AI Change What We Think About Quality Content?

    Does AI Change What We Think About Quality Content?

    Ok, ok. So, we’ve all been wrapping our heads around how to use AI in our content marketing production and distribution for a bit now. It’s time we talk about it. 

    In this episode, we dive into some bigger questions. How should you think about AI? How will it affect quality? What does AI change? And what will always remain? 

    If you’re using AI, or if you’re too overwhelmed to even know where to start, this one’s for you. 

    Resources: 
    Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.dontsaycontent.com/
    Created in partnership with Share Your Genius: https://www.shareyourgenius.com/

    • 43 min
    Mastering Senior Leadership Dynamics at Corporate Giants with Atlassian's Ashley Faus

    Mastering Senior Leadership Dynamics at Corporate Giants with Atlassian's Ashley Faus

    As you ascend to higher levels in your career, your most valuable skill becomes navigating internal politics, policy, and process. It's not just about managing up when you work for large companies, it's about managing many senior stakeholders and the dynamics they bring with them. Competency goes a long way  to getting the opportunities you want, the budgets you need and support for your initiatives. 
    We're going live with Ashley Faus, Head of Lifecycle Marketing at Atlassian, to learn her strategies for navigating the corporate maze to elevate your influence and efficacy.
    Connect with Ashley: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleyfaus/Subscribe to our newsletter: https://dontsaycontent.substack.com/Created in partnership with Share Your Genius: https://www.shareyourgenius.com/

    • 1 hr 1 min

Customer Reviews

5.0 out of 5
31 Ratings

31 Ratings

amcgovea ,

Do Say Yes!

I’m a huge fan of this podcast. Devin and Margaret share practical, honest and actionable tips for marketers and founders! I love their personalities too which make the show SO enjoyable. 10/10!

Tg210707 ,

10/10 Highly Recommended

Margaret and Devin are credible industry experts who offer fresh and insightful perspectives on how and why your business should utilize an intentional marketing strategy.

hanmi8 ,

Best b2b content marketing podcast out there

Love Devin and Margaret’s fresh takes on content marketing strategy and all else.

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