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Welcome to THE college admissions industry podcast! Join Mike Bergin and Amy Seeley as they discuss the latest issues in testing, admissions, learning, and education with leading experts.

Tests and the Rest is perfect for school counselors, educators, test prep professionals, college consultants, and just about anyone engaged in the college admissions process. You can subscribe to this podcast or stream it online via any podcast app, including iTunes, Google Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, and TuneIn Radio.

YOUR HOSTS
Mike Bergin is the president of Chariot Learning and founder of TestBright. Amy Seeley is the president of Seeley Test Pros.
Between the two of us, expect over 50 years of industry insight, expertise, insider news, and a bit of sarcasm.

Tests and the Rest: College Admissions Industry Podcast Amy Seeley & Mike Bergin

    • Education
    • 4.8 • 40 Ratings

Welcome to THE college admissions industry podcast! Join Mike Bergin and Amy Seeley as they discuss the latest issues in testing, admissions, learning, and education with leading experts.

Tests and the Rest is perfect for school counselors, educators, test prep professionals, college consultants, and just about anyone engaged in the college admissions process. You can subscribe to this podcast or stream it online via any podcast app, including iTunes, Google Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, and TuneIn Radio.

YOUR HOSTS
Mike Bergin is the president of Chariot Learning and founder of TestBright. Amy Seeley is the president of Seeley Test Pros.
Between the two of us, expect over 50 years of industry insight, expertise, insider news, and a bit of sarcasm.

    THE VALUE OF THE COLLEGE ADMISSIONS PROCESS

    THE VALUE OF THE COLLEGE ADMISSIONS PROCESS

    When Ralph Waldo Emerson suggested that it's the journey, not the destination, that matters, he may not have had higher education in mind. That said, applicants often overlook what really matters on the road to college. Amy and Mike invited college consultant Arthur Smith to explore the intrinsic value of the college admissions process.
    What are five things you will learn in this episode?
    What does the college admissions process entail in general?
    What is actually involved when you focus on “the process” instead of the outcome?
    How can focusing on “the process” lead to more satisfying outcomes in the admissions process?
    What roles do ambition and authenticity play in the college admissions process?
    In what ways does learning how to focus on the process set students up with a valuable life lesson that goes beyond the college applications?
    MEET OUR GUEST
    With 25 years of experience working with students and their parents at Cornell and Duke Universities as an advising dean, admissions chair, and Division I head coach, Dr. Arthur Smith is intimately familiar with what it takes to be successful in the selective admissions process.
    Dr. Smith, known as Artie to his colleagues and students, studied history and Africana Studies as an undergraduate in the College of Arts and Sciences at Cornell University, where he graduated cum laude and with distinction in all subjects. He continued his education at Duke University, where he earned his MA and Ph.D. in history. Returning to Cornell, Artie served as an assistant director of admissions in the Office of Undergraduate Admissions and was the athletics liaison between the seven different admissions offices at Cornell and the university’s 36 varsity teams. He then spent nine years as an admissions and advising dean in the College of Arts and Sciences, where he chaired admissions committees and guided hundreds of students through the college’s curriculum. His unique journey in higher education has also been defined by a highly successful 23 years of coaching track and field and cross country at the Division I level. A nationally recognized distance coach who worked with 19 All-Americans, 31 Ivy League champions, and 12 Eastern champions while coaching 19 Ivy League Championship teams, Artie was Cornell’s head women’s track and field and cross country coach.
    During his time in the Ivy League, Artie chaired admissions committees and evaluated over 20,000 applications, served as a faculty advisor and advising dean, managed the TransAtlantic Series, an Exchange between Cornell University and Oxford and Cambridge Universities in the United Kingdom, and mentored hundreds of student-athletes.
    Artie’s teams and athletes were outstanding in the classroom, with six of his students earning CoSIDA Academic All-American honors, two students earning NCAA Elite 89/90 honors, and three going on to win Marshall and Goldwater Scholarships. Notably, every student he coached who applied for medical school, veterinary school, or law school gained admission.
    Artie is here to listen and work with each student’s goals. His two decades of mentoring experiences contribute to his firm belief that success in college—and beyond—comes from a person’s creativity, authenticity, and concern for others. He can help you tell your story.
    Artie can be reached at https://www.arthursmithadvising.com.
    LINKS
    RELATED EPISODES
    POWER DYNAMICS IN COLLEGE ADMISSIONS
    FINDING YOUR AUTHENTIC SELF IN THE PATH TO COLLEGE
    ABOUT THIS PODCAST
    Tests and the Rest is THE college admissions industry podcast. Explore all of our episodes on the show page.
    ABOUT YOUR HOSTS
    Mike Bergin is the president of Chariot Learning and founder of TestBright. Amy Seeley is the president of Seeley Test Pros. If you’re interested in working with Mike and/or Amy for test preparation, training, or consulting, feel free to get in touch through our contact page.
     

    • 24 min
    THE NEED FOR TESTING SITES IN CALIFORNIA

    THE NEED FOR TESTING SITES IN CALIFORNIA

    California is the most populous American state with a veritable cornucopia of exceptional and reasonably well-funded high schools. Why, then, do Californian teens need to travel hundreds–and sometimes thousands–of miles to sit for the SAT or ACT? Amy and Mike invited student Sebastian Gillmore and educator David Blobaum to discuss the need for testing sites in California.
    What are five things you will learn in this episode?
    What is the problem with SAT & ACT testing locations in California?
    Why are testing locations so scarce?
    Why is access to testing so critically important for students?
    What has been done so far to address this problem?
    What else can and should be done to expand testing access in California?
    MEET OUR GUEST
    David Blobaum is the director of outreach for the National Test Prep Association, which works to support the appropriate use of testing in admissions. He is a co-founder of Summit Prep, which opened its doors in 2013 to help empower students through education to succeed in life.
    Sebastian Gillmore is a rising Senior at Tamalpais High School in Mill Valley, California just North of San Francisco. He’s a hardworking student with a passion for mathematics, and he’s on a mission to make college entrance exams, like the SAT and ACT, more accessible for California high school students. He recently authored an Op-Ed in the LA Times titled, “I live in Northern California. Why do I have to travel hundreds of miles to take the SAT?”
    David first appeared on the podcast in episode 79 to discuss Why The SAT And ACT Are Awesome and in episode 421 for a Sponsor Spotlight.
    David can be reached at www.summitprep.com.
    LINKS
    I live in Northern California. Why do I have to travel hundreds of miles to take the SAT? 
    It Shouldn't Be This Hard to Take the SAT and ACT
    https://testaccess.org/
    RELATED EPISODES
    TESTING POLICIES AND EDUCATIONAL EQUITY REVISITED
    WHY UC WAS WRONG TO STOP USING THE SAT
    WHO LOSES WHEN WE ABOLISH ENTRANCE EXAMS?
    ABOUT THIS PODCAST
    Tests and the Rest is THE college admissions industry podcast. Explore all of our episodes on the show page.
    ABOUT YOUR HOSTS
    Mike Bergin is the president of Chariot Learning and founder of TestBright. Amy Seeley is the president of Seeley Test Pros. If you’re interested in working with Mike and/or Amy for test preparation, training, or consulting, feel free to get in touch through our contact page.
     

    • 25 min
    COLLEGE DOCUMENTATION FOR HOMESCHOOLERS

    COLLEGE DOCUMENTATION FOR HOMESCHOOLERS

    The bespoke nature of homeschooling can be a great advantage for tailoring education to a student’s individual needs. However, those differentiated programs present challenges when the time comes to apply to college. Amy and Mike invited education consultants Michele Evard and Holly Ramsey to review the intricacies of college documentation for homeschoolers.
    What are five things you will learn in this episode?
    What do stakeholders in the admission process need to know about homeschool documentation?  What are some best practices for homeschool documentation? How do homeschoolers show the depth & breadth of their studies?  Who writes recommendations for homeschooled students, and do colleges believe them?  Should homeschoolers claim credit for every potential learning experience?
    MEET OUR GUESTS
    Dr. Michele Evard is an independent educational consultant who assists homeschooling families with planning & documenting K-12 education as well as the college application process; she specializes in assisting families of gifted and 2E young people. 
    She is an active member of multiple professional organizations including IECA, NACAC, SENG (Supporting Emotional Needs of the Gifted) and the Digital Learning Collaborative. 
    While homeschooling her three children and mentoring others, Dr. Evard co-founded Many Rivers Unschoolers and served as president of Voyagers Homeschool Cooperative and Resource Center. 
    Michele can be reached at https://evardconsulting.com.
    Holly Ramsey is an independent educational consultant specializing in working with homeschoolers and their parents to create clear, concise, and compelling college applications and counselor documents.
    She is a professional member of Independent Educational Consultants Association, where she served in a variety of roles and is a recipient of IECA’s Making a Difference Award. Ms. Ramsey is also a member of the Texas Association for College Admission Counseling. 
    In addition to homeschooling her own five children over 20+ years, Holly taught writing to hundreds of homeschoolers through Brave Writer™ and mentored new Brave Writer instructors.
    Holly can be reached at https://thoughtfulhomeschooling.com. 
    Dr. Michele Evard and Holly Ramsey are co-authors of College UnMazed: Your Guide to Design & Document Your Homeschool. This book provides guidance for any professionals helping homeschoolers in the college admission process.
    Tests and the Rest listeners can use the coupon code HOMESCHOOL10 for 10% off this book AND anything else on the College UnMazed site.
    LINKS
    College UnMazed: Your Guide to Design & Document Your Homeschool
    How to Create Your School Profile As A Homeschooler
    RELATED EPISODES
    COLLEGE ADMISSIONS FOR HOMESCHOOLERS
    LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATION: GOOD VS. GREAT
    CRAFTING YOUR COLLEGE RESUME
    ABOUT THIS PODCAST
    Tests and the Rest is THE college admissions industry podcast. Explore all of our episodes on the show page.
    ABOUT YOUR HOSTS
    Mike Bergin is the president of Chariot Learning and founder of TestBright. Amy Seeley is the president of Seeley Test Pros. If you’re interested in working with Mike and/or Amy for test preparation, training, or consulting, feel free to get in touch through our contact page.
     

    • 27 min
    THE PARENT TRANSITION FROM HIGH SCHOOL TO COLLEGE

    THE PARENT TRANSITION FROM HIGH SCHOOL TO COLLEGE

    We focus so much on our teens getting through high school and into college yet spend little time looking at the space between or how everyone involved needs to change and adapt for success. Amy and Mike invited educator Dr. Andrea Malkin Brenner to discuss the parent transition from high school to college.
    What are five things you will learn in this episode?
    What role can parents play to support their students as they become self-reliant and college-ready?
    What are the major differences between being a high school parent and a college parent?
    How can parents help students prepare for the academic, practical, and social responsibilities that come with independence?
    When should conversations about college transitions ideally begin?
    What are scenarios parents of college students might not expect but should be ready for?
    MEET OUR GUEST
    Dr. Andrea Malkin Brenner is the creator of the Talking College™ card decks and co-author of How to College: What to Know Before You Go (and When You’re There), a leading guide for college-bound students and their parents/guardians. Andrea brings 25 years of experience as a college professor and university administrator at American University in Washington, DC to her presentations with high school and college audiences. See her website for her articles, podcast recordings, and upcoming talks and webinars.
    Find Andrea at www.talkingcollege.com.
    LINKS
    Talking College card decks 
    How to College: What to Know Before You Go (and When You’re There)
    RELATED EPISODES
    THE ROLE OF PARENTS IN THE COLLEGE PROCESS
    ADVOCACY FOR PARENTS OF HIGH SCHOOLERS
    THE W-CURVE MODEL AND NEW COLLEGE STUDENTS
    ABOUT THIS PODCAST
    Tests and the Rest is THE college admissions industry podcast. Explore all of our episodes on the show page.
    ABOUT YOUR HOSTS
    Mike Bergin is the president of Chariot Learning and founder of TestBright. Amy Seeley is the president of Seeley Test Pros. If you’re interested in working with Mike and/or Amy for test preparation, training, or consulting, feel free to get in touch through our contact page.

    • 26 min
    A SCIENTIFIC APPROACH TO TEST TAKING

    A SCIENTIFIC APPROACH TO TEST TAKING

    When the most important exams in our lives tend to be meticulously crafted instruments based research, statistics, and standards, a sloppy and spontaneous approach just won’t cut it. Amy and Mike invited educator Russ Hanush to outline a scientific approach to test-taking.
    What are five things you will learn in this episode?
    Why is general knowledge an irreplaceable foundation for test takers? 
    What’s the best way to create study aids?
    What test-taking strategies do most students fail on? 
    How can you leverage the odds on multiple choice? 
    What physical preparation is necessary for a successful testing experience? 

    MEET OUR GUEST
    Inspired by the rings of Saturn at 8 years old, fascinated by San Francisco's Exploratorium at 14, and motivated to make a difference in education when he witnessed a mother unable to help her child with their homework, Russ Hanush has always been about learning. After a research career in nuclear physics and chemical kinetics spanning decades at America's national laboratories and inventing The Periodic Table of Dimensions, Russ opened Physics Phor Phun Tutoring in 2007. 
    Over the years the name has changed, Physics Phor Phun Tutoring is now Acclaimed Tutoring, and they've grown from a single tutor driving around the dusty vineyards of Templeton and Paso Robles, CA to helping students from Beverly Hills to Portland, OR, and Honolulu to Paris, France. Acclaimed Tutoring has helped hundreds of students become successful scientists, engineers, doctors, lawyers, vets, teachers, professional athletes, and entertainers. 
    Besides inventing The Periodic Table of Dimensions, Russ is also the author of over a dozen technical publications as well as two books: The Parent's Guide to Choosing the Right Tutor and Harnessing Your Seven Senses. 
    Helping students navigate their education, and their life after high school is Russ' passion. With one-on-one tutoring available for most math and science classes from middle school through college, college, and career counseling, and standardized test preparation, Russ' promise is to help students become happier, more confident, and more successful, guaranteed.
    Russ can be reached at 805-610-1725 or russ@acclaimedtutoring.com.

    LINKS
    Harnessing Your Seven Senses: Help Your Child Become A Happier, More Confident, More Successful Student by Harnessing Their Seven Senses (A Scientific Approach to Study Skills)
    The Periodic Table of Dimensions
    PhysicsPhorPhun AP Resources
    RELATED EPISODES
    EFFECTIVE STUDY SKILLS FOR TEST PREPARATION
    MAKING LEARNING SCIENCE WORK FOR YOU
    HOW TO BECOME A RIDICULOUSLY EFFECTIVE STUDENT
    ABOUT THIS PODCAST
    Tests and the Rest is THE college admissions industry podcast. Explore all of our episodes on the show page.

    ABOUT YOUR HOSTS
    Mike Bergin is the president of Chariot Learning and founder of TestBright. Amy Seeley is the president of Seeley Test Pros. If you’re interested in working with Mike and/or Amy for test preparation, training, or consulting, feel free to get in touch through our contact page.

    • 26 min
    WHAT YOU SHOULD KNOW ABOUT TRANSFERRING

    WHAT YOU SHOULD KNOW ABOUT TRANSFERRING

    While choosing a college feels like one of the biggest decisions of your life, choosing to leave one may be even more difficult. That said, swapping the wrong school for the right one can do wonders for your grades, mental health, and future prospects. Amy and Mike invited college advisor Jaime Smith to explore what you should know about transferring.
    What are five things you will learn in this episode?
    How common is college transfer?
    How has the rise of credible online programs impacted transfers?
    What are the best and worst reasons to transfer?
    What are the main transfer pathways?
    Can a student transfer at any time?
    MEET OUR GUEST
    Jaime Smith, M.A., MS.Ed., is a Certified Educational Planner with 25 years of experience in the field of education. After many years of teaching English at the middle, high school, and college levels, Jaime turned to online education and founded a virtual K-12 supplementary education program, Online G3, where she continues to teach gifted and twice-exceptional homeschooled students. As a college advisor, Jaime specializes in transfer admissions, application essays, homeschoolers, neurodiverse learners, and other non-traditional applicants. In 2023, she completed a Post-Master's Certificate in Transfer Leadership and Practice at the University of North Georgia in collaboration with the National Institute for the Study of Transfer Students.
    A California native, Jaime now lives in Oregon with her husband and pet bunny. She has one daughter, a former homeschooler turned transfer student who just started grad school. 
    Learn more about Jaime at TransferSavvy.com and follow her on Linkedin.
    LINKS
    Common App for transfer
    https://www.transferology.com
    https://www.assist.org
    RELATED EPISODES
    HOW TO BE A SUCCESSFUL COLLEGE FRESHMAN
    WHAT TO DO WHEN A STUDENT STRUGGLES IN COLLEGE
    THE UNWRITTEN RULES OF COLLEGE SUCCESS
    ABOUT THIS PODCAST
    Tests and the Rest is THE college admissions industry podcast. Explore all of our episodes on the show page.
    ABOUT YOUR HOSTS
    Mike Bergin is the president of Chariot Learning and founder of TestBright. Amy Seeley is the president of Seeley Test Pros. If you’re interested in working with Mike and/or Amy for test preparation, training, or consulting, feel free to get in touch through our contact page.
     

    • 27 min

Customer Reviews

4.8 out of 5
40 Ratings

40 Ratings

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Great Show!

Mike and Amy are knowledgeable and entertaining hosts and bring on a variety of great guests! A must-listen if you are preparing for college or have a child who is!

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Experts

Amy and Mike are skillful hosts—they ask the right questions to get the best out of their guests. Both the interviewers and interviewees are knowledgeable, so I learn from all of them in every episode.

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Great resource for parents, educators, and tutors

Amy and Mike do a phenomenal job of bringing in experts who can easily distill their messages into memorable chunks. Each podcast feels like a conversation between friends instead of an interview — a true testament to the hosts.

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