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The Business Side of Music is an interview show designed to help independent artists and songwriters better understand and navigate the music industry. 45-year industry veteran, Bob Bender talks to successful guests from every corner of the industry about their careers to discover the things they did right as well as the lessons they learned from any mistakes they made.
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The Business Side of Music is an interview show designed to help independent artists and songwriters better understand and navigate the music industry. 45-year industry veteran, Bob Bender talks to successful guests from every corner of the industry about their careers to discover the things they did right as well as the lessons they learned from any mistakes they made.
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    #140 - Creating Music For Those Who Tried and Failed

    #140 - Creating Music For Those Who Tried and Failed

    Can an artist find happiness without finding success? Wanna Be Rock Star, Songwriter, and unwitting comedian Doug Robertson thinks so and shares his story with us on this episode. He got into the business because he liked the idea of girls screaming after him when he performed, an idea he got after seeing the Beatles perform on the Ed Sullivan Show when he was a young boy.
    At the age of nine, Robertson was ripping off and re-writing Beach Boy and Beatle songs. “That’s how I learned how to structure songs,” Doug says.
    Upon moving to LA, his writing education continued under Oscar winner Al Kasha and songwriting guru John Braheny. His roots in ’60’s music led to the “New Vintage Acoustic Rock” style he presents today. 
    Whether in bands or solo, Doug developed an engaging audience-centered performing style full of humorous stories and guitar-driven rhythms. If Doug has other performers with him you are going to hear some amazing harmonies. 
    Doug enjoyed various solo and combo incarnations like 1975’s formation of Christian band SHELTER, recording his tune "Bridge Builder” on the compilation album "Come Back Soon”. 
    In 1996 Robertson recorded his first solo album "New Clothes”. When released, a radio personality introduced the title song saying “Here’s something by a songuy named Doug Robertson”. The “Songuy” nickname stuck. 
    The New Millennium saw Doug’s Salute to the Woodstock era with his band “mAX YASGUR’S FARM” recording the ”Salute” CD in 2006. 
    Performing credits include opening appearances for Johnny Rivers, Leonard Nimoy, Len Chandler, and Al Jarreau. He has been a featured act as a soloist and with his bands. 
    Doug enjoyed 14 years as co-coordinator of Nashville Songwriters Association International’s Reno, Nevada workshop. 
    After founding his production company Nostrebor Music, he produced his own  albums “New Clothes” and  “Salute” and the self-titled debut CD for the band ZERO THEORY  (With top 40 placement on national indie charts) 
    Returning his focus as a Performing Songwriter, Doug has emerged from the studio with a new 6 song EP entitled “Epiphany” which is expected to be released in November 2020. Singles from “Epiphany included “Portola”- a ’70’s light rock tune about a lonesome railroad worker and “Why Are Armadillos In Nashville” - a Texas Swing explanation for the critters being found in Tennessee that is accompanied by an animated music video of cute armadillos. 
    Robertson’s new tunes are filled with delight and insight. “The Bla Bla Cafe” (60’s Calif. Rock) portrays life in a gay cafe; “Like Don’t Always Mean Love” (Joe Walsh Rocker) is about the only guy in the room who doesn’t know he’s falling in love. “And The Life (Ballad) is a tender look at a roadside memorial; “Hey Boss, You’re Fired” (Bar-room Rock & Roll) tells off the boss. Taking your life back! 
    Live appearances are jovial and engaging. Robertson has developed a live show entitled “Retrospective of a Western Hippie” where Doug and his band perform original and cover tunes that chronicle his life as a musical wannabe. “There are more people out there who tried and failed to become rock stars than the folks who actually made it.” Says Doug, “I relate to being the wannabe.”
    The Business Side of Music ™
    © 2020 Beyond the Music
    Co-Produced & Hosted (by the guy who has a face for podcasting): Bob Bender 
    Co-Producer, Creator & Technical Advisor (the man behind the curtain): Tom Sabella
    Director of Video & Continuity (the brains of the entire operation): Deborah Halle
    Editor (the “ums’ and “aahs’ removal guy who makes us sound good): Mark Sabella
    Marketing & Social Media: Kaitlin Fritts
    Executive Assistant to Bob & Tom, and editor for the Blog: Meagan Droke
    All Around Problem Solver: Connie Ri

    • 35 min
    #139 - Get A Leg Up With Chad Harvey

    #139 - Get A Leg Up With Chad Harvey

    It’s been a solid 12 years, packed with earned life experiences and songwriting since Chad Harvey has released a new studio album. 2008 saw the release of his Get Lit album which provided a platform to tour through 2011. Initially to Harvey, that was a good thing. “The live shows to me are what it’s all about. That is where you connect with your fans and I lay it all out there on the line and don't hold anything back—whether we are playing for five people or 500 people.” The relentless schedule started to show its weight and while being nudged by the label (Indie 500 Records) to start tracking the follow-up album, Harvey admits: “I was getting to the point of burn out; playing several nights a week while having to still maintain a day job to survive in Nashville.” He knew some rejuvenation was needed and took a two-week trip to Australia. On his flight back to the States he met his future wife and now they share two children with a full life. . . Except for one thing, Harvey exclaims: “Music!” 
    With his creative cannon loaded and idea book bursting with new song titles, Harvey tracked Run From the Sound in 2015 alongside his longtime GRAMMY®-nominated producer Marc Johnson. 
    Every once in awhile a singer-songwriter comes along that moves people to action—not necessarily a message to politicians for peace in wartime but instead a holler to the wallflowers to grab a cold beer and cut the rug at the local honky-tonk, sometimes a call to an estranged lover to come home—Chad Harvey is a songwriter whose songs do all of these things and more.  
    Chad Harvey is a true American original born in Evansville, and raised in nearby Lynnville—that’s Southern Indiana to the uninformed—just down the highway from Indiana’s most famous musical export, John Mellencamp. . . an artist to whom Harvey has been compared. However, Harvey is far from a knock-off, Harvey delivers his self-penned emotive stories with an inimitable whiskey-stained voice. “Heyburn,” inspired by the small town of Heyburn, Idaho, spotlights Harvey’s ability to capture the voice of the many living in small towns across America and it’s because he was one of them. “This song idea came from a friend of mine, Craig Smith. He was traveling through Idaho and stopped for the night in Heyburn. He called me that night and told me about the place and how there was not much going on in the town, and how he imagined that if he lived there, he would want to get out. This struck a chord with me as it reminded me exactly of my hometown of Lynnville, Indiana. A small town of about 500 people in Southwestern Indiana that was built in the middle of the coal mines. Growing up there, all I wanted to do is get out and see what else was out there in the world.”   
     A gifted writer and performer equipped with a six-string Gibson and a Midwestern drawl, Harvey also sports rough and tumble good looks reminiscent of a young Elvis Presley and a cool swagger that calls to mind another Hoosier native named James Dean. Through his songs, he says what he means and means what he says. 
    With aspirations greater than what Indiana had to offer, Chad fled to Nashville, TN where he enrolled at Belmont University to “learn about the record business;” however, he found himself learning more about the music business by meeting people, listening to classic records, and watching bands perform live in local clubs.  
    On one cold winter night, a pivotal moment happened, Chad tuned in to Austin City Limits to watch John Prine perform; and on the same show, he discovered an artist who would help guide his musical direction: Todd Snider. Considering this a sign, Harvey picked up and moved to Austin to walk the same Texas soil as his heroes and to develop his own songwriting chops and performing skills.   
    Through Snider, Harvey was introduced to the Texas

    • 30 min
    #138 - Creating a Community for Fans & Artists to Engage One Another

    #138 - Creating a Community for Fans & Artists to Engage One Another

    Sarah Beth Perry is the Founder and CEO of With the Band, a fan engagement platform founded in 2017 that strives to develop a community for fans and artists to feel a part of something bigger than themselves. In only 3 years, Perry has grown With the Band from an idea in her dorm room to captivating packed out arenas with her creative and collaborative fan projects and meetups. Some of her most notable experiences include her fan engagement activations at the Jonas Brothers’ highly-anticipated HAPPINESS BEGINS TOUR and Kacey Musgraves’ OH WHAT A WORLD TOUR sold-out concert in Nashville, TN.
    After winning her first pitch competition in 2017, Perry saw the opportunity she had to further pursue her dream of kickstarting With the Band. Throughout college, she continued to win awards and grant money from multiple pitch competitions from organizations like Belmont University, Sigma Nu Tau, LaunchTN, and was a finalist for both AARP’s Innovation Labs Pitch Competition and the Global Student EntrepreneurAwards. In October of 2019, less than a year after graduating from Belmont University with a double major in Entrepreneurship and Music Business, Perry was named one of Belmont’s Top 100 Alumni Entrepreneurs. Upon seeing her concept come to fruition, Perry was encouraged to continue exploring other fan engagement avenues. Being a fangirl herself, she realized there was an opportunity to create better relationships between an artist and their fans. With the vision to be the premiere fan engagement company, With the Band will launch a new modern-day version of a fan called Fan Crews this fall.
    The Business Side of Music ™
    © 2020 Beyond the Music
    Co-Produced & Hosted (by the guy who has a face for podcasting): Bob Bender 
    Co-Producer, Creator & Technical Advisor (the man behind the curtain): Tom Sabella
    Director of Video & Continuity (the brains of the entire operation): Deborah Halle
    Editor (the “ums’ and “aahs’ removal guy who makes us sound good): Mark Sabella
    Marketing & Social Media: Kaitlin Fritts
    Executive Assistant to Bob & Tom, and editor for the Blog: Meagan Droke
    All Around Problem Solver: Connie Ribas
    Recorded at: The Bunker in Franklin, TN (except during the Covid 19 pandemic, then it's pretty much done VIA Skype or over the phone, with the exception for those fearless enough to come to Bob Bender’s living room… and there are a few).
    Mixed & Mastered at Music Dog Studios in Nashville, TN
    Production Sound Design: Keith Stark
    Voice Over & Promo: Lisa Fuson
    Website: businesssideofmusic.com 
    Stream or Download (free) businesssideofmusic.com 
    To submit to be interviewed: musicpodcast@mail.com
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    Special Thanks to Tom Sabella and Traci Snow for producing and hosting over 100 episodes of the original “Business Side of Music” podcast, and trusting us to carry on their legacy.
    For our disclaimer and all its details, please click on the applicable link on our website.
    The music provided for this episode is from:
    Artist: Lacy J Dalton
    Single: Life's About Now
    Album: Scarecrow (2019)
    Composer: Lacy J. Dalton
    Website: www.lacyjdalton.org

    • 36 min
    #137 - In the Virtual World, You're Worth Watching & Getting Paid For It

    #137 - In the Virtual World, You're Worth Watching & Getting Paid For It

    In 2004, as a musician, Ryan Kintz found that if you weren't signed to a label, or didn't have a booking agent, it difficult to book shows as an Indie Artist. He started renting out venues in the Portland OR area, having friends who had bands, play shows and wound up producing 6 to 10 shows per month. With that, Afton Shows was born.
    Ryan talks with us regarding his different platforms, including My Afton booking platform, Afton Tickets, and Afton Live Stream, which is designed to help showcase bands virtually, especially during this pandemic, creating a virtual space that is artist-focused.
    We also talk about how you can make money as a live stream artist. We touch on whether Facebook Live is the best route, or is there something better out there.
    With Afton, they help you design a virtual show that you can monetize off of.
    Ryan Kintz is the founder and CEO of Afton Tickets, MyAfton, and Afton LiveStream. Ryan is an event organizer, event producer, concert promoter, and business owner. Afton Shows has produced over 12,000 events and national tours in 60 U.S. cities and 8 Canadian cities with over 1.5 Million tickets sold. Ryan has worked with hundreds of event organizers, over 800 music venues, and tens of thousands of music artists. Afton Tickets clientele includes fairs, festivals, beer/wine/food fests, and concerts that range from 10,000 to 100,000 attendees. As the senior software project manager, Ryan leads a team of 12+ software developers and a team of UI/UX designers.
    His team built the Afton Tickets platform as well as the custom-built internal booking software used by Afton Shows. Ryan also built the MyAfton musician platform which currently has over 400,000 musician users. Ryan works onsite at various Afton Tickets clients’ events. He has firsthand experience planning and organizing events and executing online ticketing and box office admissions for large, complex, multiple entry point events.
    The Business Side of Music ™
    © 2020 Beyond the Music
    Co-Produced & Hosted (by the guy who has a face for podcasting): Bob Bender 
    Co-Producer, Creator & Technical Advisor (the man behind the curtain): Tom Sabella
    Director of Video & Continuity (the brains of the entire operation): Deborah Halle
    Editor (the “ums’ and “aahs’ removal guy who makes us sound good): Mark Sabella
    Marketing & Social Media: Kaitlin Fritts
    Executive Assistant to Bob & Tom, and editor for the Blog: Meagan Droke
    All Around Problem Solver: Connie Ribas
    Recorded at: The Bunker in Franklin, TN (except during the Covid 19 pandemic, then it's pretty much done VIA Skype or over the phone, with the exception for those fearless enough to come to Bob Bender’s living room… and there are a few).
    Mixed & Mastered at Music Dog Studios in Nashville, TN
    Production Sound Design: Keith Stark
    Voice Over & Promo: Lisa Fuson
    Website: businesssideofmusic.com 
    Stream or Download (free) businesssideofmusic.com 
    To submit to be interviewed: musicpodcast@mail.com
    Sponsorship information businesssideofmusic.com/sponsor-affiliate/
    Join our mailing list for show announcements, career advice, industry discounts, free gifts, and more.  Like Free
    Special Thanks to Tom Sabella and Traci Snow for producing and hosting over 100 episodes of the original “Business Side of Music” podcast, and trusting us to carry on their legacy.
    For our disclaimer and all its details, please click on the applicable link on our website.
    www.myafton.com
    www.aftontickets.com
    www.manycam.com

    • 38 min
    #136 - The Virtual Music Conference May Become the New Norm

    #136 - The Virtual Music Conference May Become the New Norm

    In 2019, "Indie Week" had 24 music venues in downtown Toronto Canada, Over 220 International artists performing and showcasing in those venues, with 350 music industry delegates in attendance. The 5-day conference of Indie Week focused on education, networking, business development, and how to grow internationally. After 18 years running, In 2020 Indie Week is moving entirely online for the very first time, running from November 10th thru the 14th due to the restrictions of the Covid 19 Pandemic.
    Darryl Hurs who is the creator and founder of one of Canada’s largest Indie Music Festivals and Conferences, along with being the Director of Market Development for CD Baby in Canada, talks about how they initially decided to cancel this year’s event, but after some thought determined to take it online, and the challenges and struggles they had to go thru in order to find the right software and platforms to make this conference work.
    The virtual conference may become the new norm, at least for the immediate future, especially since polls are trending that even with the Coronavirus brought under control it could still take 6 months or longer, especially with international acts and markets to get things back to normal.
    Some of the tracks taking place at this year’s Indie Week include:
    Education including panels and workshops Keynote Speakers Business Development International Development (how to do business in different markets and territories) Artist Pitching DIY Sessions focusing on publishing, distribution, marketing, PR, Playlisting, etc We also take the time to discuss what the functions of CD Baby are these days, not that the music delivery system has changed so much in the past few years.
    Darryl Hurs has a 25+ year history in the music business including launching and running one of Canada’s largest indie music festivals and conference, Indie Week. Recently hired as the director of market development for CD Baby in Canada. Past positions include design and branding/marketing for Live Nation as a freelancer (projects included a corporate rebrand and logo design, launching VIPNATION.com, work for U2, Nickelback, Madonna, Beyonce, Jay-Z, and Dave Matthews) retail buyer at HMV, and booker for one of Toronto’s top live music venues (The Rivoli).




    www.indieweek.com
    The Business Side of Music ™
    © 2020 Beyond the Music
    Co-Produced & Hosted (by the guy who has a face for podcasting): Bob Bender 
    Co-Producer, Creator & Technical Advisor (the man behind the curtain): Tom Sabella
    Director of Video & Continuity (the brains of the entire operation): Deborah Halle
    Editor (the “ums’ and “aahs’ removal guy who makes us sound good): Mark Sabella
    Marketing & Social Media: Kaitlin Fritts
    Executive Assistant & Researcher: Meagan Droke
    All Around Problem Solver: Connie Ribas
    Recorded at: The Bunker in Franklin, TN (except during the Covid 19 pandemic, then it's pretty much done VIA Skype or over the phone, with the exception for those fearless enough to come to Bob Bender’s living room… and there are a few).
    Mixed & Mastered at Music Dog Studios in Nashville, TN
    Production Sound Design: Keith Stark
    Voice Over & Promo: Lisa Fuson
    Website: businesssideofmusic.com 
    Stream or Download (free) businesssideofmusic.com 
    To submit to be interviewed: musicpodcast@mail.com
    Sponsorship information businesssideofmusic.com/sponsor-affiliate/
    Join our mailing list for show announcements, career advice, industry discounts, free gifts, and more.  Like Free
    Special Thanks to Tom Sabella and Traci Snow for producing and hosting over 100 episodes of the original “Business Side of Music” podcast, and trusting us to carry on their legacy.
    For our disclaimer and all its details, please click on the applicable link on our website.

    • 34 min
    #135 - Creating a Company that Can Survive the Pandemic... and the music industry

    #135 - Creating a Company that Can Survive the Pandemic... and the music industry

    Meet Ty Frankel who is the CEO of Shut Down Media.
    Shut Down Media makes modern production music for television and film which is commissioned to them by the various studios and production companies that need a custom fit for a project.
    This company became creative during the pandemic, figuring out new ways to generate revenue to keep their doors open, and have the ability to pay their employees, all the while, expanding their footprint is not only in the music industry but also in the corporate world with their services.
    There are still very vibrant fields of music out there that are thriving, including hip hop and R&B music.
    They also operate Shut Down Art, which is designed to help the artist create packaging, concert posters, flyers, and any other graphics specifically designed for the working musician.
    Ty Frankel started making rap beats from his home in Israel at just 14 years old & was soon on his way to creating Shut Down Media. 
    Since inception in 2017, Shut Down Media has grown into a powerhouse, with divisions like Shut Down Production Music, Shut Down Art, and Shut Down Sync. 
    In only three years, Shut Down Media has worked with clients such as UMPG, Warner, NBA 2K, Fortnite, The Ellen Show, Mercedes-Benz, & many more. 
    Currently, Ty is working on expanding and growing his media brand with the addition of 6 new employees this year.
    The Business Side of Music ™
    © 2020 Beyond the Music
    Co-Produced & Hosted (by the guy who has a face for podcasting): Bob Bender 
    Co-Producer, Creator & Technical Advisor (the man behind the curtain): Tom Sabella
    Director of Video & Continuity (the brains of the entire operation): Deborah Halle
    Editor (the “ums’ and “aahs’ removal guy who makes us sound good): Mark Sabella
    Marketing & Social Media: Kaitlin Fritts
    Executive Assistant to Tom & Bob: Meagan Droke
    All Around Problem Solver: Connie Ribas
    Recorded at: The Bunker in Franklin, TN (except during the Covid 19 pandemic, then it's pretty much done VIA Skype or over the phone, with the exception for those fearless enough to come to Bob Bender’s living room… and there are a few).
    Mixed & Mastered at Music Dog Studios in Nashville, TN
    Production Sound Design: Keith Stark
    Voice Over & Promo: Lisa Fuson
    Website: businesssideofmusic.com 
    Stream or Download (free) businesssideofmusic.com 
    To submit to be interviewed: musicpodcast@mail.com
    Sponsorship information businesssideofmusic.com/sponsor-affiliate/
    Join our mailing list for show announcements, career advice, industry discounts, free gifts, and more.  Like Free
    Special Thanks to Tom Sabella and Traci Snow for producing and hosting over 100 episodes of the original “Business Side of Music” podcast, and trusting us to carry on their legacy.
    For our disclaimer and all its details, please click on the applicable link on our website.

    • 30 min

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Chief Musical Officer Macain ,

Episode #134

The music supervisor in episode #134 makes it sound like the music and hands we see playing in the film are those of the 2 lead actresses. I know that all of the close up hand shots and prerecord music were recorded by a session pianist. Why is no credit given to the actual musicians in the films credits? I find that musical talent often get snubbed in the movie biz. Sad. Love the podcast. Keep up the great work.

Easy Hero ,

One of my favorite podcasts!

Essential listening for the indie artist.

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The best 411 of the music biz!

These guys are veterans that have truly been there and know so many connections to get the info out to anyone interested in the multi facets of the music business

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