56 episodes

A podcast about the business and market of semiconductors

The Circuit Ben Bajarin and Jay Goldberg

    • Technology
    • 5.0 • 19 Ratings

A podcast about the business and market of semiconductors

    Episode 55: Intel IFS Economics and Last Fabs Standing

    Episode 55: Intel IFS Economics and Last Fabs Standing

    Summary
    In this episode, Ben Bajarin and Jay Goldberg discuss the puzzle of Intel foundries and the challenges of determining their revenue. They explore historical economics data points and the exit zone for leading-edge fabs. They analyze the revenue and financial projections for Intel Foundry Services (IFS) and the need for external customers. They also discuss the long-term outlook for IFS and potential scenarios for the future, including strategic partnerships and acquisitions. The episode concludes with the understanding that IFS will require a long-term timeframe and significant investment to become a competitive foundry.
    Takeaways
    Determining the revenue of Intel foundries is a challenging puzzle due to the lack of access to data and cost information.Historical economics data points provide insights into the exit zone for leading-edge fabs and the challenges faced by companies in staying competitive.IFS revenue projections indicate the need for external customers to fund the investment in leading-edge fabs.The long-term outlook for IFS suggests that it will take time and significant investment to become a competitive foundry.Strategic partnerships and acquisitions may play a role in the future of IFS and the semiconductor industry.

    • 40 min
    Episode 53: Supply Chain Demand Help and Dueling Mega Cycles

    Episode 53: Supply Chain Demand Help and Dueling Mega Cycles

    Summary
    The conversation discusses Sam Altman's plan to raise $7 trillion for semiconductors and the potential challenges and motivations behind it. It explores the idea of negotiation and leaked stories as part of the process. The conversation also delves into the simultaneous demand for compute in both hardware and software industries and the need for breakthroughs in technology. It highlights the importance of economic efficiency and competitiveness in the semiconductor industry. The conversation concludes by mentioning upcoming events and guests.
    Takeaways
    Sam Altman's plan to raise $7 trillion for semiconductors has sparked discussions about the challenges and motivations behind such a massive fundraising effort.Negotiation and leaked stories may be part of the process as companies navigate the complexities of the semiconductor industry.The simultaneous demand for compute in both hardware and software industries is creating constraints and slowing down innovation.Economic efficiency and competitiveness are crucial factors in the semiconductor industry, and companies need to balance supply and demand.The industry may benefit from breakthroughs in technology and the commercialization of new processes and products.

    • 38 min
    Episode 52: AI and Outsized Expectations

    Episode 52: AI and Outsized Expectations

    Summary
    In this episode, Ben Bajarin and Jay Goldberg discuss the outsized expectations for AI growth and the impact on stock market reactions. They explore the challenges of modeling AI growth and the difficulty of charging more for AI features. They also discuss the potential for AI to accelerate refreshment cycles and the importance of realistic expectations. The conversation highlights the small gains of AI in software and the experimentation stage of AI. They conclude by emphasizing the need to measure expectations and be reasonable in the AI industry.
    Takeaways
    Outsized AI expectations have led to negative stock market reactions, as companies have not met ambitious growth models.Modeling AI growth is challenging due to variables such as product availability and demand.Charging more for AI features is difficult, as customers may not be willing to pay a premium.AI may not accelerate refreshment cycles, as the average consumer may not see significant improvements that warrant more frequent upgrades.The gains from AI are often small and incremental, but still important in improving efficiency and productivity.

    • 41 min
    Episode 51: Intel Earnings and Foundry Trends

    Episode 51: Intel Earnings and Foundry Trends

    Summary
    In this episode, Ben Bajarin and Jay Goldberg discuss Intel's recent earnings call and the challenges the company is facing. They analyze the guidance provided by Intel and the concerns raised by investors. The conversation also delves into Intel's core businesses, including the consumer and data center groups, and the impact of competition from companies like Nvidia. The hosts explore Intel's partnership with UMC to increase trailing edge capacity and the potential for specialized trailing edge processes. They conclude by highlighting the need for Intel to prove itself in the coming quarters and address ongoing challenges.
    Takeaways
    Intel's Q4 earnings call and guidance were a source of concern for investors, leading to a sell-off.The company's core businesses, particularly the data center group, face challenges and increased competition.Intel's partnership with UMC to increase trailing edge capacity signals a focus on specialized processes.The company needs to prove itself in the coming quarters and address ongoing challenges to regain investor confidence.

    • 37 min
    Episode 50: TSMC Earnings Set Stage for 2024

    Episode 50: TSMC Earnings Set Stage for 2024

    Summary
    In this conversation, Ben Bajarin and Jay Goldberg discuss the latest news and trends in the semiconductor industry, with a focus on TSMC's strong earnings and growth forecast. They explore the importance of AI in TSMC's business and the strong position of NVIDIA in the AI market. They also discuss the challenges of designing AI-first silicon and the need for differentiation in AI accelerators. The conversation touches on the dynamics of leading-edge manufacturing, the transition from financial objectives to innovation in semiconductors, and the significance of Supermicro's pre-announcement. They conclude by emphasizing the importance of delivering on promises and providing predictable guidance in the industry.
    Takeaways
    TSMC's strong earnings and growth forecast indicate a healthy year for the semiconductor industry, driven by demand for AI and leading-edge manufacturing.NVIDIA is well-positioned in the AI market, with strong engagement from AI leaders and a focus on AI-specific processors.The challenges of designing AI-first silicon and the lack of re-architecting for AI in most designs highlight the need for innovation in the industry.The transition from financial objectives to innovation and R&D is crucial for semiconductor companies to stay competitive.The temptation to talk about AI without substance and the importance of delivering on promises and providing predictable guidance are key considerations for companies in the industry.

    • 37 min
    Episode 49: CES Semiconductor Trends, Where was AI? 2024 Outlook

    Episode 49: CES Semiconductor Trends, Where was AI? 2024 Outlook

    Summary
    In this episode, Ben Bajarin and Jay Goldberg discuss their experience at CES and the presence of AI in various products. They explore the evolution of massage chairs and the AI wash in the industry. They also analyze the two tracks of AI at CES, with a more muted presence in big vendor booths and a greater focus in Eureka Park. The conversation delves into the role of AI in semiconductor vendors and the importance of on-device AI. They discuss the balance between cloud and edge AI and the outlook for semiconductors in 2024. They also touch on the revival of VR and AR and the potential for exciting developments in the future.
    Takeaways
    CES featured a more muted presence of AI compared to previous years, with a focus on specific use cases rather than generative AI.The massage chair industry has seen advancements in AI sensing and 5D rollers, but there is still an AI wash in the labeling of products.Semiconductor vendors are re-examining their roadmaps to incorporate more on-device AI, recognizing the need for advanced sensor fusion and compute at the edge. The balance between cloud and edge AI is becoming more symbiotic, with a recognition that both are necessary for a comprehensive AI strategy. The outlook for semiconductors in 2024 is mixed, with a cyclically good year expected but uncertainty about significant advancements in consumer-facing AI.
    Chapters
    00:00 Introduction and CES Experience01:09 The Fascination with Massage Chairs05:02 The Muted Presence of AI at CES26:06 The Compute Happening at the Edge27:29 The Outlook for Semiconductors in 2024

    • 40 min

Customer Reviews

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19 Ratings

19 Ratings

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Great for us new guys

I’ve been looking for a podcast to build my knowledge on the industry as I’m one of the newer recruits. The podcasts are easy to follow and packed with information, I would love to see more back to the basics episodes!

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Truly valuable and easy to digest

Thanks for such a good podcast…not with wild takes but measured, balanced views that are followed up with simple explanations and arguments

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