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Research Like a Pro is a podcast about genealogy research methodology. Diana Elder and Nicole Dyer of FamilyLocket.com discuss how to take your family history research to the next level and uncover more of your family tree. Learn about research objectives, analysis, locality research, research planning, source citations, report writing, case studies, and more. Diana and Nicole are the mother-daughter team at FamilyLocket.com and the creators of the Amazon bestselling book, Research Like a Pro: A Genealogist's Guide. Diana created the Research Like a Pro method after becoming an Accredited Genealogy professional through the International Commission for the Accreditation of Professional Genealogists. Discover the process that a professional genealogist uses and make progress on your own brick walls.

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    • 4.7 • 231 Ratings

Research Like a Pro is a podcast about genealogy research methodology. Diana Elder and Nicole Dyer of FamilyLocket.com discuss how to take your family history research to the next level and uncover more of your family tree. Learn about research objectives, analysis, locality research, research planning, source citations, report writing, case studies, and more. Diana and Nicole are the mother-daughter team at FamilyLocket.com and the creators of the Amazon bestselling book, Research Like a Pro: A Genealogist's Guide. Diana created the Research Like a Pro method after becoming an Accredited Genealogy professional through the International Commission for the Accreditation of Professional Genealogists. Discover the process that a professional genealogist uses and make progress on your own brick walls.

    5 Tips for When the Courthouse Burned

    5 Tips for When the Courthouse Burned

    Today's episode of Research Like a Pro, Diana and Nicole discuss the challenges of genealogical research in areas with severe record loss, using northeastern Arkansas counties as a case study. They offer five tips to help researchers make progress despite such setbacks. They advise starting by understanding the extent of the record loss, suggesting sources like the FamilySearch Wiki to determine what records might still exist despite events like fires or floods. They emphasize the importance of seeking alternate jurisdictions when county records are unavailable, exploring other jurisdictions such as state or federal records, or private entities like churches and newspapers. They recommend utilizing the FamilySearch Catalog to find digitized records from various jurisdictions, including federal censuses, land records, and tax records. Diana and Nicole stress the need to extract every possible clue from available records, keeping a detailed research log and using tables and maps to organize and visualize the data. Finally, they highlight the importance of comparing and correlating data from different sources to piece together family histories, demonstrating these strategies with an example from Diana's research on Clemsy (Cline) Weatherford’s family. Through these discussions, they illustrate how perseverance and meticulous attention to detail can yield significant genealogical insights even in areas with significant record loss.
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    Links
    5 Tips for Research When the Courthouse Burned - https://familylocket.com/5-tips-for-research-when-the-courthouse-burned/
    Sponsor – Newspapers.com
    For listeners of this podcast, Newspapers.com is offering new subscribers 20% off a Publisher Extra subscription so you can start exploring today. Just use the code “FamilyLocket” at checkout.
    Research Like a Pro Resources
    Airtable Universe - Nicole's Airtable Templates - https://www.airtable.com/universe/creator/usrsBSDhwHyLNnP4O/nicole-dyer
    Airtable Research Logs Quick Reference - by Nicole Dyer - https://familylocket.com/product-tag/airtable/
    Research Like a Pro: A Genealogist's Guide book by Diana Elder with Nicole Dyer on Amazon.com - https://amzn.to/2x0ku3d
    14-Day Research Like a Pro Challenge Workbook - digital - https://familylocket.com/product/14-day-research-like-a-pro-challenge-workbook-digital-only/ and spiral bound - https://familylocket.com/product/14-day-research-like-a-pro-challenge-workbook-spiral-bound/
    Research Like a Pro Webinar Series 2024 - monthly case study webinars including documentary evidence and many with DNA evidence - https://familylocket.com/product/research-like-a-pro-webinar-series-2024/
    Research Like a Pro eCourse - independent study course -  https://familylocket.com/product/research-like-a-pro-e-course/
    RLP Study Group - upcoming group and email notification list - https://familylocket.com/services/research-like-a-pro-study-group/
    Research Like a Pro with DNA Resources
    Research Like a Pro with DNA: A Genealogist's Guide to Finding and Confirming Ancestors with DNA Evidence book by Diana Elder, Nicole Dyer, and Robin Wirthlin - https://amzn.to/3gn0hKx
    Research Like a Pro with DNA eCourse - independent study course -  https://familylocket.com/product/research-like-a-pro-with-dna-ecourse/
    RLP with DNA Study Group - upcoming group and email notification list - https://familylocket.com/services/research-like-a-pro-with-dna-study-group/
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    • 36 min
    Banyan DNA and Double Cousin Relationships

    Banyan DNA and Double Cousin Relationships

    Diana and Nicole discuss BanyanDNA, a tool for analyzing complex family relationships in genetic genealogy. Leah Larkin introduced BanyanDNA in December 2023, highlighting its unique ability to identify unknown ancestors and alert users to discrepancies in family trees. Diana shares her experience with her own family tree, where her great-grandparents' siblings married each other, creating double cousins. She builds a tree using BanyanDNA, adding DNA matches from various test-takers, and finds the horizontal tree orientation helpful for visualizing relationships.
    They explain that BanyanDNA allows adding DNA matches from any testing company and evaluates shared DNA to highlight discrepancies in documented relationships. The tool runs statistical simulations to compare expected DNA inheritance with actual data, providing insights into the accuracy of the family tree structure.
    They discuss recent updates to BanyanDNA, including new calculation modes: VALIDATION and HYPOTHESES. Validation runs check if DNA matches support the documented tree, while hypotheses runs focus on the person of interest with potential unknown ancestors. These updates improve the speed and accuracy of BanyanDNA results.
    Links
    Evaluating Double Cousin Relationships with Banyan DNA - https://familylocket.com/evaluating-double-cousin-relationships-with-banyan-dna/
    BanyanDNA 1.4 Release notes -
    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_XQNEFgtjiE9B5n7lf6Pq4bdJaIMfujUFEdk0dnfsyY/edit
    Sponsor – Newspapers.com
    For listeners of this podcast, Newspapers.com is offering new subscribers 20% off a Publisher Extra subscription so you can start exploring today. Just use the code “FamilyLocket” at checkout. 
    Research Like a Pro Resources
    Airtable Universe - Nicole's Airtable Templates - https://www.airtable.com/universe/creator/usrsBSDhwHyLNnP4O/nicole-dyer
    Airtable Research Logs Quick Reference - by Nicole Dyer - https://familylocket.com/product-tag/airtable/
    Research Like a Pro: A Genealogist's Guide book by Diana Elder with Nicole Dyer on Amazon.com - https://amzn.to/2x0ku3d
    14-Day Research Like a Pro Challenge Workbook - digital - https://familylocket.com/product/14-day-research-like-a-pro-challenge-workbook-digital-only/ and spiral bound - https://familylocket.com/product/14-day-research-like-a-pro-challenge-workbook-spiral-bound/
    Research Like a Pro Webinar Series 2024 - monthly case study webinars including documentary evidence and many with DNA evidence - https://familylocket.com/product/research-like-a-pro-webinar-series-2024/
    Research Like a Pro eCourse - independent study course -  https://familylocket.com/product/research-like-a-pro-e-course/
    RLP Study Group - upcoming group and email notification list - https://familylocket.com/services/research-like-a-pro-study-group/
    Research Like a Pro with DNA Resources
    Research Like a Pro with DNA: A Genealogist's Guide to Finding and Confirming Ancestors with DNA Evidence book by Diana Elder, Nicole Dyer, and Robin Wirthlin - https://amzn.to/3gn0hKx
    Research Like a Pro with DNA eCourse - independent study course -  https://familylocket.com/product/research-like-a-pro-with-dna-ecourse/
    RLP with DNA Study Group - upcoming group and email notification list - https://familylocket.com/services/research-like-a-pro-with-dna-study-group/
    Thank you
    Thanks for listening! We hope that you will share your thoughts about our podcast and help us out by doing the following:
    Write a review on iTunes or Apple Podcasts. If you leave a review, we will read it on the podcast and answer any questions that you bring up in your review. Thank you!
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    • 22 min
    Immigration 1906 Forward

    Immigration 1906 Forward

    In this episode, Diana and Nicole discuss finding immigration records for ancestors arriving in the United States after 1906. They provide a timeline of important immigration laws and their impacts, such as the 1906 establishment of the Bureau of Immigration and Naturalization, the 1917 Immigration Act, the 1921 Emergency Quota Act, the 1924 National Origins Act, the 1945 War Brides Act, the 1948 Displaced Persons Act, the 1952 Immigration and Naturalization Act, and the 1965 Immigration and Nationality Act.
    They explain the importance of using census records, naturalization records, and other U.S. records to gather clues about an ancestor's immigration timeline. They discuss various types of immigration records, including passenger lists, hospital records, detainee lists, and more.
    Diana and Nicole share a case study on Birger Gustaf Soelberg, tracing his immigration from Sweden to the United States, his residency in Worcester, Massachusetts, his work as a seaman, and his eventual intended emigration to Canada in 1926. They highlight the importance of thorough research in multiple records to piece together an ancestor's immigration story.
    Links
    Back to the Basic with Immigration Records: 1906 Forward - https://familylocket.com/back-to-the-basic-with-immigration-records-1906-forward/
    Sponsor – Newspapers.com
    For listeners of this podcast, Newspapers.com is offering new subscribers 20% off a Publisher Extra subscription so you can start exploring today. Just use the code “FamilyLocket” at checkout. 
    Research Like a Pro Resources
    Airtable Universe - Nicole's Airtable Templates - https://www.airtable.com/universe/creator/usrsBSDhwHyLNnP4O/nicole-dyer
    Airtable Research Logs Quick Reference - by Nicole Dyer - https://familylocket.com/product-tag/airtable/
    Research Like a Pro: A Genealogist's Guide book by Diana Elder with Nicole Dyer on Amazon.com - https://amzn.to/2x0ku3d
    14-Day Research Like a Pro Challenge Workbook - digital - https://familylocket.com/product/14-day-research-like-a-pro-challenge-workbook-digital-only/ and spiral bound - https://familylocket.com/product/14-day-research-like-a-pro-challenge-workbook-spiral-bound/
    Research Like a Pro Webinar Series 2024 - monthly case study webinars including documentary evidence and many with DNA evidence - https://familylocket.com/product/research-like-a-pro-webinar-series-2024/
    Research Like a Pro eCourse - independent study course -  https://familylocket.com/product/research-like-a-pro-e-course/
    RLP Study Group - upcoming group and email notification list - https://familylocket.com/services/research-like-a-pro-study-group/
    Research Like a Pro with DNA Resources
    Research Like a Pro with DNA: A Genealogist's Guide to Finding and Confirming Ancestors with DNA Evidence book by Diana Elder, Nicole Dyer, and Robin Wirthlin - https://amzn.to/3gn0hKx
    Research Like a Pro with DNA eCourse - independent study course -  https://familylocket.com/product/research-like-a-pro-with-dna-ecourse/
    RLP with DNA Study Group - upcoming group and email notification list - https://familylocket.com/services/research-like-a-pro-with-dna-study-group/
    Thank you
    Thanks for listening! We hope that you will share your thoughts about our podcast and help us out by doing the following:
    Write a review on iTunes or Apple Podcasts. If you leave a review, we will read it on the podcast and answer any questions that you bring up in your review. Thank you!
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    • 36 min
    Mitochondrial DNA and WikiTree

    Mitochondrial DNA and WikiTree

    In this episode of Research Like a Pro, Diana and Nicole explore the use of mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) and WikiTree in genealogical research. They explain that mtDNA is inherited from our mothers, with only females passing it on, and how it differs from autosomal DNA by coming from a distant maternal ancestor. They discuss how mtDNA testing reveals haplogroups, genetic population groups with a common ancestor, and share their personal testing experiences with 23andMe, FamilyTree DNA, and Living DNA, highlighting the northern European origins of their haplogroup, U5b1c2b.
    The hosts emphasize that while mtDNA changes very little over generations, making it difficult to pinpoint recent common ancestors, it is useful for confirming or refuting specific female ancestral lines. They discuss integrating DNA information into WikiTree, a collaborative and free online platform, which allows users to add mtDNA haplogroups to family profiles, enhancing genealogical research by sharing DNA data with other researchers.
    They provide practical tips for getting started on WikiTree, including creating a login, adding ancestors, and integrating DNA information from various testing services. They also highlight unique features of WikiTree, such as the DNA Ancestors view, which shows the inheritance of different types of DNA from ancestors. This episode offers valuable insights into using mtDNA and WikiTree as powerful tools in genealogical research.
    Links
    https://www.wikitree.com/
    Honoring my Matrilineal Grandmothers: A Look at Mitochondrial DNA - https://familylocket.com/honoring-my-matrilineal-grandmothers-a-look-at-mitochondrial-dna/
    WikiTree and My Mitochondrial DNA - https://familylocket.com/wikitree-and-my-mitochondrial-dna/
    Sponsor – Newspapers.com
    For listeners of this podcast, Newspapers.com is offering new subscribers 20% off a Publisher Extra subscription so you can start exploring today. Just use the code “FamilyLocket” at checkout. 
    Research Like a Pro Resources
    Airtable Universe - Nicole's Airtable Templates - https://www.airtable.com/universe/creator/usrsBSDhwHyLNnP4O/nicole-dyer
    Airtable Research Logs Quick Reference - by Nicole Dyer - https://familylocket.com/product-tag/airtable/
    Research Like a Pro: A Genealogist's Guide book by Diana Elder with Nicole Dyer on Amazon.com - https://amzn.to/2x0ku3d
    14-Day Research Like a Pro Challenge Workbook - digital - https://familylocket.com/product/14-day-research-like-a-pro-challenge-workbook-digital-only/ and spiral bound - https://familylocket.com/product/14-day-research-like-a-pro-challenge-workbook-spiral-bound/
    Research Like a Pro Webinar Series 2024 - monthly case study webinars including documentary evidence and many with DNA evidence - https://familylocket.com/product/research-like-a-pro-webinar-series-2024/
    Research Like a Pro eCourse - independent study course -  https://familylocket.com/product/research-like-a-pro-e-course/
    RLP Study Group - upcoming group and email notification list - https://familylocket.com/services/research-like-a-pro-study-group/
    Research Like a Pro with DNA Resources
    Research Like a Pro with DNA: A Genealogist's Guide to Finding and Confirming Ancestors with DNA Evidence book by Diana Elder, Nicole Dyer, and Robin Wirthlin - https://amzn.to/3gn0hKx
    Research Like a Pro with DNA eCourse - independent study course -  https://familylocket.com/product/research-like-a-pro-with-dna-ecourse/
    RLP with DNA Study Group - upcoming group and email notification list - https://familylocket.com/services/research-like-a-pro-with-dna-study-group/
    Thank you
    Thanks for listening! We hope that you will share your thoughts about our podcast and help us out by doing the following:
    Write a review on iTunes or Apple Podcasts. If you leave a review, we will read it on the podcast and answer any questions that you bring up in your review. Thank you!
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    Share the epi

    • 26 min
    Giving Credit to AI Tools in Genealogy Writing

    Giving Credit to AI Tools in Genealogy Writing

    In this podcast episode, Diana and Nicole discuss the use of Generative AI in scholarly and genealogical writing, emphasizing the importance of transparency in disclosing AI assistance. They talk about editorial guidelines from scholarly journals and the Association of Computational Linguistics, which suggest clear declarations of AI's involvement in literature searches, drafting, and idea generation. Key points include recommendations for crediting AI-generated content not as authors but by detailing the AI's role. They also explore citation practices, such as including the AI model and user details, and stress the user's responsibility to verify and refine AI outputs in professional settings, advocating for explicit disclosures in various document sections.
    Nicole generated this summary with ChatGPT 4.
    Links
    Disclosing Use of AI for Writing Assistance in Genealogy - https://familylocket.com/disclosing-use-of-ai-for-writing-assistance-in-genealogy/
     Jordan Boyd-Graber et al., “ACL 2023 Policy on AI Writing Assistance,” ACL 2023, January 10, 2023, https://2023.aclweb.org/blog/ACL-2023-policy/.
    Association for Computational Linguistics (ACL) Rolling Review, “Call for Papers,” ACL Rolling Review, 2024, https://aclrollingreview.org/cfp.
    Baldy Dyer research report from log – Claude AI April 2024 - https://familylocket.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/Baldy-Dyer-research-report-from-log-Claude-AI-April-2024.pdf
    Sponsor – Newspapers.com
    For listeners of this podcast, Newspapers.com is offering new subscribers 20% off a Publisher Extra subscription so you can start exploring today. Just use the code “FamilyLocket” at checkout. 
    Research Like a Pro Resources
    Airtable Universe - Nicole's Airtable Templates - https://www.airtable.com/universe/creator/usrsBSDhwHyLNnP4O/nicole-dyer
    Airtable Research Logs Quick Reference - by Nicole Dyer - https://familylocket.com/product/airtable-research-logs-for-genealogy-quick-reference/
    Research Like a Pro: A Genealogist's Guide book by Diana Elder with Nicole Dyer on Amazon.com - https://amzn.to/2x0ku3d
    14-Day Research Like a Pro Challenge Workbook - digital - https://familylocket.com/product/14-day-research-like-a-pro-challenge-workbook-digital-only/ and spiral bound - https://familylocket.com/product/14-day-research-like-a-pro-challenge-workbook-spiral-bound/
    Research Like a Pro Webinar Series 2024 - monthly case study webinars including documentary evidence and many with DNA evidence - https://familylocket.com/product/research-like-a-pro-webinar-series-2024/
    Research Like a Pro eCourse - independent study course -  https://familylocket.com/product/research-like-a-pro-e-course/
    RLP Study Group - upcoming group and email notification list - https://familylocket.com/services/research-like-a-pro-study-group/
    Research Like a Pro with DNA Resources
    Research Like a Pro with DNA: A Genealogist's Guide to Finding and Confirming Ancestors with DNA Evidence book by Diana Elder, Nicole Dyer, and Robin Wirthlin - https://amzn.to/3gn0hKx
    Research Like a Pro with DNA eCourse - independent study course -  https://familylocket.com/product/research-like-a-pro-with-dna-ecourse/
    RLP with DNA Study Group - upcoming group and email notification list - https://familylocket.com/services/research-like-a-pro-with-dna-study-group/
    Thank you
    Thanks for listening! We hope that you will share your thoughts about our podcast and help us out by doing the following:
    Write a review on iTunes or Apple Podcasts. If you leave a review, we will read it on the podcast and answer any questions that you bring up in your review. Thank you!
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    • 41 min
    Disclosing use of AI in Genealogy Writing

    Disclosing use of AI in Genealogy Writing

    In this podcast episode, Diana and Nicole discuss the evolving role of AI chatbots in various writing contexts, particularly in academia and genealogy. They highlight the changing policies around the use of large language models (LLMs) in academic writing, noting how organizations like the International Conference on Machine Learning have shifted from prohibiting to allowing LLMs, provided that authors are responsible for the content and its integrity.
    They delve into the ethical considerations of using AI in genealogy writing, especially for projects that are meant for accreditation or professional certification. They stress the importance of originality and caution against claiming AI-generated work as one’s own, citing ethical guidelines that discourage taking credit for others’ contributions, including those made by AI.
    Nicole created this summary with ChatGPT 4.
    Links
    Disclosing Use of AI for Writing Assistance in Genealogy - https://familylocket.com/disclosing-use-of-ai-for-writing-assistance-in-genealogy/
    Program Chairs for the International Conference on Machine Learning, “ICML 2024,” icml.cc, 2024, https://icml.cc/Conferences/2024/CallForPapers. See also Program Chairs for the International Conference on Machine Learning, “International Conference on Machine Learning (ICML) 2023,” icml.cc, 2023, https://icml.cc/Conferences/2023/llm-policy.
    Mohammad Hosseini, David B Resnik, and Kristi Holmes, “The Ethics of Disclosing the Use of Artificial Intelligence Tools in Writing Scholarly Manuscripts,” Research Ethics 19, no. 4 (June 15, 2023): 449–65, https://doi.org/10.1177/17470161231180449.
    Gregory E Kaebnick et al., “Editors’ Statement on the Responsible Use of Generative AI Technologies in Scholarly Journal Publishing,” Hastings Center Report 53, no. 5 (September 1, 2023): 3–6, https://doi.org/10.1002/hast.1507.
    Lindsey Passenger Wieck, “Revising Historical Writing Using Generative AI: An Editorial Experiment,” www.historians.org, August 15, 2023, https://www.historians.org/research-and-publications/perspectives-on-history/summer-2023/revising-historical-writing-using-generative-ai-an-editorial-experiment.
    Sponsor – Newspapers.com
    For listeners of this podcast, Newspapers.com is offering new subscribers 20% off a Publisher Extra subscription so you can start exploring today. Just use the code “FamilyLocket” at checkout. 
    Research Like a Pro Resources
    Airtable Universe - Nicole's Airtable Templates - https://www.airtable.com/universe/creator/usrsBSDhwHyLNnP4O/nicole-dyer
    Airtable Research Logs Quick Reference - by Nicole Dyer - https://familylocket.com/product/airtable-research-logs-for-genealogy-quick-reference/
    Research Like a Pro: A Genealogist's Guide book by Diana Elder with Nicole Dyer on Amazon.com - https://amzn.to/2x0ku3d
    14-Day Research Like a Pro Challenge Workbook - digital - https://familylocket.com/product/14-day-research-like-a-pro-challenge-workbook-digital-only/ and spiral bound - https://familylocket.com/product/14-day-research-like-a-pro-challenge-workbook-spiral-bound/
    Research Like a Pro Webinar Series 2024 - monthly case study webinars including documentary evidence and many with DNA evidence - https://familylocket.com/product/research-like-a-pro-webinar-series-2024/
    Research Like a Pro eCourse - independent study course -  https://familylocket.com/product/research-like-a-pro-e-course/
    RLP Study Group - upcoming group and email notification list - https://familylocket.com/services/research-like-a-pro-study-group/
    Research Like a Pro with DNA Resources
    Research Like a Pro with DNA: A Genealogist's Guide to Finding and Confirming Ancestors with DNA Evidence book by Diana Elder, Nicole Dyer, and Robin Wirthlin - https://amzn.to/3gn0hKx
    Research Like a Pro with DNA eCourse - independent study course -  https://familylocket.com/product/research-like-a-pro-with-dna-ecourse/
    RLP with DNA Study Group - upcoming group and email notifi

    • 29 min

Customer Reviews

4.7 out of 5
231 Ratings

231 Ratings

4four4 ,

Just one beef.

So love this show and it has earned my 5 star rating. After reading the first page of the first book I knew I this book needed to be purchased well done.

My only beef from listening to the podcast would be the sound. Nicole’s voice sounds great! Diane in my opinion needs an update. Whenever I listen echos of her voice ring in my head. Have you lovely ladies thought about investing in microphones? It would help the volume control and keep the listener concentrating on your content. Just my two cents.

Thanks for all your great work and keep it up! Love this this!

micheleshines ,

The Sanitization of Historical Events is Disappointing

I’ve just started the podcast and twice the host has covered the migration of her family into lands formerly held by indigenous tribes and the wording is so completely sanitized. It makes it very difficult to listen to the discussions knowing that the historical context is being scrubbed. Family history is a great tool for growth and reconciling events of the past but not if we talk about it in this incredibly insensitive way.

Lefteardud ,

Love this show

I absolutely love the content of this show. Been listening for at least a year. The genealogical research is done so carefully, and we’ll shared.

I will say, I often listen to podcasts while I’m out and about (gym, commute), and I would maybe point out to hosts that the volume seems much much lower than other podcasts. Perhaps a tweak of the audio might be in order?

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