11 episodes

This podcast series is aimed at helping us to transcend our fear and anger so that we can be more engaged in the world in a way that develops love and compassion.

Thich Nhat Hanh’s calligraphy ‘The Way Out Is In” highlights that the way out of any difficulty is to look deeply within, gain insights and then put them into practice.

The podcast is co-hosted by Brother Phap Huu, Thich Nhat Hanh's personal attendant for 17 years and the abbot of Plum Village's Upper Hamlet, and Jo Confino, who works at the intersection of personal transformation and systems change.

The Way Out Is In Plum Village

    • Religion & Spirituality
    • 4.9 • 183 Ratings

This podcast series is aimed at helping us to transcend our fear and anger so that we can be more engaged in the world in a way that develops love and compassion.

Thich Nhat Hanh’s calligraphy ‘The Way Out Is In” highlights that the way out of any difficulty is to look deeply within, gain insights and then put them into practice.

The podcast is co-hosted by Brother Phap Huu, Thich Nhat Hanh's personal attendant for 17 years and the abbot of Plum Village's Upper Hamlet, and Jo Confino, who works at the intersection of personal transformation and systems change.

    Healing Our Inner Child: Pathways to Embrace Our Suffering

    Healing Our Inner Child: Pathways to Embrace Our Suffering

    Welcome to episode ten of The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living, a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives.In this episode, presenters Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and lay Buddhist practitioner and journalist Jo Confino are joined by special guest Zen Buddhist nun Sister Sinh Nghiem (Adornment with Liveliness). Together, they look deeply into healing childhood wounds. 



    All three further discuss: inner healing, from healing the child within to collective healing and how to face our challenges, traumas and suffering to find a way through;  the possibility of transformation and healing past relationships; the original fear.



    Brother Phap Huu expands upon: the importance of understanding the source of inner wounds in order to start healing them; Thich Nhat Hanh’s teachings on childhood traumas; the Four Noble Truths; his own experience of being bullied as a child and its consequences; understanding and compassion for those we think are responsible for our suffering; apologizing and forgiveness; stopping the cycle of hate.Sister Sinh Nghiem shares insights about: her journey to becoming a nun, from escaping Vietnam on a boat with her family after the war, to her career as a psychologist, and finding Thay through another teacher in the Theravada tradition; how the practice of mindfulness helped her deal with abuse suffered as a child; healing her inner child after she became a monastic. She also discusses specific spiritual practices that helped her healing process, like reconnecting with the body, and mindful movement.Jo recollects a workshop by John Bradshaw on healing the inner child and the deep experience of transformation. He further muses on childhood and creative visualization, defense mechanisms, and the importance of understanding the context of our parents’ lives.



    Finally, Brother Phap Huu ends the episode with a guided meditation on generating love for our own selves.







    Co-produced by the Plum Village App:https://plumvillage.app/



    And Global Optimism:https://globaloptimism.com/



    With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation:https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/







    List of resources 



    Plum Village Communityhttps://plumvillage.org/The Inner Child (short guided meditation)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zauJYihF2fQ 



    Stream Entering Monasteryhttps://plumvillage.org/practice-centre/stream-entering-monastery/



    John Bradshawhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bradshaw_(author)



    Theravada traditionhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theravada 



    Understanding Our Fatherhttps://plumvillage.org/articles/understanding-our-father/ 



    The Four Noble Truthshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy-RI3FrdGA 



    ‘The 16 Exercises of Mindful Breathing’https://plumvillage.org/library/songs/the-16-exercises-of-mindful-breathing/ 



    Qigonghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qigong 



    Tai chihttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tai_chi 



    Engaged Buddhismhttps://plumvillage.org/series/engaged-buddhism/    



    Quotes



    “I’ve always been very impressed with Thich Nhat Hanh because he has integrated the very depths of Buddhist teachings with Western psychology. And he focuses a lot of his teachings on healing our childhood wounds, and that the wounds we receive as children tend to stick with us throughout our lives.”



    “In Buddhism, we always practice in order to have liberation – but liberation has to be the liberation of something. Much of the time, as an adult, we want to understand our suffering. And in Buddhism, we have to shine light into the reality of what is happening in the here and now. In meditation and in mindfulness, when you are aware of yourself, you can start to recognize what is causing you pain and what is causing you suffering.”



    “When suffering is present, happiness i

    • 1 hr 12 min
    Engaged Buddhism: Applying the Teachings in Our Present Moment

    Engaged Buddhism: Applying the Teachings in Our Present Moment

    Welcome to episode nine of The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living, a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives.



    In this episode, presenters Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and lay Buddhist practitioner and journalist Jo Confino are joined by special guest Zen Buddhist nun Sister True Dedication (Sister Hien Nghiem). Together, they look deeply at the whole concept of engaged Buddhism, and ways in which Thich Nhat Hanh made ancient teachings relevant to day-to-day questions.



    Additionally, they discuss: how Plum Village is shedding the stereotypes about Buddhist monastic life; how to refresh Buddhism through a hands-on approach and engaging teachings in daily life; what it means to not take sides; the roots of evil; reducing suffering through compassionate action; healing; patience. 



    Brother Phap Huu digs into: what it means to apply Buddhism in contemporary life; the spiritual dimension of breathing; the importance of communities and practice centers as spiritual refuges; the dynamics of anger coming up; moving from anger to peace in activism. Plus: can you guess the one time it’s best not to do sitting meditation?



    Sister True Dedication shares insights about: the early events in Thich Nhat Hanh’s life which led to the inception of the engaged Buddhism movement in war-torn Vietnam; Thay’s peace activism and his exile; Buddhism’s potential to deal with injustice; Plum Village monastery’s engagement with the outside world and what this busy community of monastics has to offer it, through retreats and active engagement in various causes. She also delves into ways of handling strong emotions, deep looking, understanding the roots of our suffering, and the importance of dialogue. And what does compassion look like in a time of crisis? How can we listen to those people in our lives who we least want to listen to?



    Jo remembers his first visit to Plum Village, and tea with Thay. He further muses on: how feeling steady and grounded can act as “the tuning fork” of our being; how we can perpetuate mindful living by simply approaching the world mindfully; failure and criticism.



    Finally, Brother Phap Huu ends the episode with a guided meditation on embracing suffering with compassion.



    Co-produced by the Plum Village App:https://plumvillage.app/



    And Global Optimism:https://globaloptimism.com/



    With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation:https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/



    List of resources 



    Engaged Buddhismhttps://plumvillage.org/series/engaged-buddhism/ 



    Mindfulness, Suffering, and Engaged Buddhismhttps://plumvillage.org/about/thich-nhat-hanh/interviews-with-thich-nhat-hanh/thich-nhat-hanh-on-mindfulness-suffering-and-engaged-buddhism/The Practice for Engaged Buddhismhttps://plumvillage.org/library/dharma-talks/the-practice-for-engaged-buddhism/



    Please Call Me by My True Nameshttps://plumvillage.org/library/songs/please-call-me-by-my-true-names-poem/



    Israeli Palestinian Retreathttps://plumvillage.org/teachings/israeli-palestinian-retreat/ 



    Invoking the Bodhisattvahttps://plumvillage.org/library/dharma-talks/invoking-the-bodhisattva-dharma-talk-by-sister-lang-nghiem-2020-6-21/



    Bodhicittahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhicitta



    Gross National Happinesshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_National_HappinessGreta Thunberghttps://www.instagram.com/gretathunberg/



    Koch brothershttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_family



    Quotes



    “We need to act with the urgency of today and the patience of a thousand years.”



    “Thay says that it doesn’t matter if you’re Buddhist, Jewish, or Christian; as long as you’re breathing, you have a spiritual dimension and can practice.”



    “I’d describe Plum Village as a beautiful oasis, and an engine of healing, transformation, and training. So

    • 57 min
    Thich Nhat Hanh: Zen Master and Simple Monk

    Thich Nhat Hanh: Zen Master and Simple Monk

    Welcome to episode eight of The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living, a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives.In this episode, on the eve of Thich Nhat Hanh’s 95th birthday (or continuation day), presenters Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and lay Buddhist practitioner and journalist Jo Confino take a walk down memory lane, remembering behind-the-scenes stories about Thay (Vietnamese for “teacher”): the humble monk, rather than his well-known public persona as spiritual teacher.They do so in Sitting Still Hut in Upper Hamlet, Thay’s residence during his years in Plum Village. By taking a tour of the hut, they trace the teacher’s daily routine and linger over the minimal but essential objects in his life. With fine strokes, the conversation portrays Thay the gardener and community builder, his (compassionate) fierceness, his incredible memory, and his ability to turn complex teachings into simple, accessible ones. 



    Through many memories, Jo and Phap Huu muse about minimalism, sharing, consumerism, simplicity, the beginner’s mind, being grounded, nourishing humility and humbleness, the power of smiles, and some of Thay’s major teachings and legacies.Befittingly, Brother Phap Huu ends the episode with a guided meditation.



    Happy continuation day, dear Thay!







    Co-produced by the Plum Village App:https://plumvillage.app/



    And Global Optimism:https://globaloptimism.com/



    With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation:https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/







    List of resources 



    A Precious Gift for Thich Nhat Hanh’s 95th Continuation Day: Deep Listening for Mother Earthhttps://plumvillage.org/articles/giftforthay/



    The Toadskin Hut and Paths of Legendhttps://plumvillage.org/about/thich-nhat-hanh/letters/the-toadskin-hut-and-paths-of-legend/



    Anger: Wisdom for Cooling the Flameshttps://www.parallax.org/product/anger/



    Sister Chan Khonghttps://plumvillage.org/about/sister-chan-khong/



    Dalai Lamahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalai_Lama



    Joan Miróhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Mir%C3%B3



    Beginner’s mind (shoshin)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoshin



    Plum Village Practice Centershttps://plumvillage.org/monastic-practice-centres/



    Plum Village Hamletshttps://plumvillage.org/retreats/visiting-us/hamlet/



    Deer Park Monasteryhttps://deerparkmonastery.org/







    Quotes“Simplicity and nothing extra: everything in the hut is something that he uses and has a meaning.” 



    “Humility comes through action; not through what you say, but through how you live.”



    “Meditation is the capacity to really be in the present moment to connect to oneself and to others.”



    “In Buddhism, we have to learn to identify the simple joys in our life and our simple happiness. We may think that happiness is something very far away, something that we have to work hard to achieve. But if you touch the present moment and are really in touch with what you have right here, right now, are you sure that those conditions aren’t enough for you to be happy?”



    “Thay made the teachings so simple just by the way he walked, by the way he was there with us.”



    “Thay’s way of renewing Buddhism is to make the teachings of the Buddha and the teachings of mindfulness part of everyday life. And it’s not something that you seek for 10 or 20 years of practice, then say, ‘I got it’; you can say ‘I got it’ in this very moment.” 



    “It’s only when you go very deep into something that you can make it simple.”



    “In our daily life, it is okay to make mistakes. But to continue, to move forward, we have to stand up and we have to clean up our mistakes.”



    “Thay often talks about the fact that the Buddha was not a god, but a human being. And I think, by teaching that, he’s saying that anyone can b

    • 1 hr 27 min
    Slow Down, Rest, and Heal: The Spirit of the Rains Retreat

    Slow Down, Rest, and Heal: The Spirit of the Rains Retreat

    Welcome to episode seven of The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living, a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives.In this episode, hosts Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and lay Buddhist practitioner and journalist Jo Confino were recorded in Thich Nhat Hanh’s former residence in Plum Village, the ‘Sitting Still Hut’. 



    Here, they talk about the yearly Rains Retreat – a 90-day retreat started by the Buddha – including the aspirations and other key concepts at the core of this gathering of practitioners. Brother Phap Huu explains in detail the origins of this ancient tradition, and how it unfolds in Plum Village, including some special insights from this year’s retreat.Both then share their own aspirations, and discuss taking refuge in the sangha, the need to slow down, stillness, getting support from the community for our aspirations, and that even zen masters need constant reminders to practice. (Did Thay need help from the sangha? And is Phap Huu as busy as the others think?)The conversation touches upon our (and their) relationship with ‘stuff’; a free yard sale in the monastery; how to know when we have enough; and Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s jackets, and how he relates to his few material possessions.



    Jo opens up about his youth and the burden of collective pain; letting go of possessions; and getting some of his best creative ideas while sitting still on a train.



    You’ll also find out where the yellow-orange in our podcast’s logo comes from. And autumnal fruit trees make a cameo appearance.



    Finally, Brother Phap Huu shares daily tips for beginners’ practice, and ends the episode with a guided meditation to find calm and solidity.



    Co-produced by the Plum Village App:https://plumvillage.app/



    And Global Optimism:https://globaloptimism.com/



    With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation:https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/







    List of resources 



    Alms Round – The Practice of Love, Humility, and Gratitudehttps://plumvillage.org/articles/alms-round-the-practice-of-love-humility-and-gratitude/ 



    ‘Breathing In, Breathing Out’https://plumvillage.org/library/songs/breathing-in-breathing-out/



    The Faces of Manas Revealedhttps://plumvillage.org/library/dharma-talks/live-dharma-talk-by-sister-tue-nghiem-2020-11-29-plum-village/ 



    The Green Mile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Green_Mile_(film)



    Monastic robeshttps://plumvillage.org/about/thich-nhat-hanh/letters/monastic-fashion/



    Monkey mindhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_mind



    Rains Retreat 2021https://plumvillage.org/retreats/info/rains-retreat-2021-gems-of-the-plum-village-tradition/Rains Retreat Opening Ceremonyhttps://plumvillage.org/articles/rains-retreat-opening-ceremony-2021/ 



    The Spirit of the Rain’s Retreathttps://plumvillage.org/library/dharma-talks/the-spirit-of-a-rains-retreat/



    Sister Jina https://plumvillage.org/people/dharma-teachers/sr-dieu-nghiem/



    Store consciousnesshttps://plumvillage.org/library/dharma-talks/interbeing-and-store-consciousness/Sutrahttps://plumvillage.org/sutra/ 



    Theravada traditionhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theravada







    Quotes



    “The Rains Retreat carries the spirit of being still; not running from suffering or chasing after an idea of happiness. This is an opportunity to return home to oneself, to take refuge in our spiritual family, to enrich and deepen our dharma body with our mindfulness practice, and to continue our teacher’s legacy in our sangha body.”



    “Even though we devote ourselves to a monastic life and the practice of transformation for ourselves and our spiritual growth, it’s still very important to be connected to everyone in the world.”



    “Walk just to walk, and do it with ease.”



    “When we stop is the only time we’re a

    • 1 hr 11 min
    Are You Truly There for Your Cup of Tea? Practical Ways to Slow Down

    Are You Truly There for Your Cup of Tea? Practical Ways to Slow Down

    Welcome to episode six of The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living, a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives.



    In this episode, hosts Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and lay Buddhist practitioner and journalist Jo Confino talk about the sacred practice of drinking tea, and why it’s important in a world where grabbing a cup of tea on the go seems to be the norm. 



    Over a cup of genmai (cloud tea), they discuss bringing the energy of mindfulness into daily life with a cup of tea; sitting with a cup of tea and its power to bring people together; the ceremony behind this daily habit and why enjoying making tea is just as important as drinking it.Brother Phap Huu recalls making his first cup of tea for Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh, as his attendant, and doing so again years later, after Thay’s stroke. The brother explains why drinking tea is so significant in a Zen monastery; how to feel at home with a tea kit; and why one should offer and receive a cup of tea with both hands. There’s even an in-depth exploration of the types of tea drunk in Plum Village.



    Jo recollects Thich Nhat Hanh’s calligraphies and why he poured tea into the ink. He discusses transformative moments in simple gestures, and shares his love of PG Tips and how it can get one through climate talks. The conversation also touches upon slowing down and enjoying the simple things in life; good habits; the cloud in the cup of tea. And have you ever wondered if the tea is experiencing us too? They did.You’ll also experience the mindfulness bell of the Plum Village monastery.Finally, Brother Phap Huu ends the episode with a guided meditation.



    Co-produced by the Plum Village App:https://plumvillage.app/And Global Optimism:https://globaloptimism.com/



    With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation:https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/







    List of resourcesThe Tea Inside the Calligraphy https://plumvillage.org/library/dharma-talks/the-tea-inside-the-calligraphy/ 



    Schumacher Collegehttps://campus.dartington.org/schumacher-college/



    Kukichahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KukichaHigh-mountain teahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-mountain_tea 



    Cloud teahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_tea 



    Bamboo shoots and teahttps://plumvillage.org/articles/bamboo-shoots-and-tea/







    Quotes“If you know how to slow down and be more present, allow things to settle, then your way of life will be much better.”



    “Even a small, simple practice, like drinking tea, contains all of life.”



    “A woman in the Indian Sangha said, ‘In India, they say if it’s hot, it’s time for tea. If it’s cold, it’s time for tea. If you’re happy, it’s time for tea. If you’re sad, it’s time for tea. It’s something that calms us down.’”



    “When you drink a cup of tea, you’re not drinking your projects, you’re not drinking your worries; you’re not drinking, you’re thinking. And it’s a real art for being in the present moment.”



    “There’s something very powerful and symbolic about tea. It’s a chance to come back to ourselves, to relax, to hold something in the palms of our hands – which is itself almost a reverent act, to feel the heat, to smell the aroma. It’s actually a very visceral experience.”“The cloud is in your tea.”“In the present moment, the way we live, the way we think, the way we talk, and the way we act is a contribution to society, to life. So our actions are already our reincarnation.”



    “It’s an act of awakening: to wake up to life and smell the fragrance of the tea; you taste it, you feel its warmth, and turn to your body. It’s very simple, but very deep in that moment. If you allow yourself to be in the very here and now, drinking tea is meditation in

    • 50 min
    Connecting to Our Roots: Ancestors, Continuation and Transformation

    Connecting to Our Roots: Ancestors, Continuation and Transformation

    Welcome to episode five of The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living, a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives.



    In this episode, hosts Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and lay Buddhist practitioner and journalist Jo Confino talk about connecting to our roots, and the three lineages in Buddhism: spiritual, blood, and land ancestry.They further share about what it means to be a continuation of blood ancestors; transforming the suffering of our ancestors for ourselves and our descendants by healing the past in the present moment; honoring land ancestors and creating harmony with the land we live on; dealing with estranged parents; reconnecting to past wisdom to help a society in crisis; transcending the individual frame of mind.You’ll also discover what the red and white roses mean in the Rose Ceremony which celebrates parents; and why a former Gestapo building was turned into a monastery.Brother Phap Huu recollects growing up in a Buddhist family and its daily ways of honoring ancestors, and what it was like to move from East to West as a child. He also expands on spiritual ancestors; transforming land and memories; the power of collective energy; trees as ancestry.  Jo recalls his mother’s suffering during the Nazi regime, her subsequent journey of forgiveness, and considers the power to heal our parents’ suffering in the present moment. He also comments on the consequences of the lack of connection to ancestors for Western consumerist societies; reports on a feng shui story in Hong Kong; and considers why it’s best to be responsible stewards rather than owners.Finally, Brother Phap Huu ends the episode with a guided meditation connecting us to our parents and ancestors.



    Co-produced by the Plum Village App:https://plumvillage.app/



    And Global Optimism:https://globaloptimism.com/



    With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation:https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/







    List of resourcesThe Rose Ceremony https://plumvillage.org/thay-shares-about-a-rose-for-your-pocket/ 



    Kristallnachthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht 



    Joanna Macyhttps://www.joannamacy.net/main 



    Old Path White Cloudshttps://www.parallax.org/product/old-path-white-clouds-walking-in-the-footsteps-of-the-buddha/ 



    Sutrahttps://plumvillage.org/sutra/ 







    Quotes



    “We are a stream, a lineage, and we have roots and that give us grounding.” 



    “When I meet somebody, I never meet that person as an individual, I meet their entire lineage.”



    “I am a representation not of just myself, but of an entire history of a group of people.”



    “With our ancestors, we can do the things that they were not able to do.” 



    “If we see that we are our parents’ continuation, we can have more understanding for them and more love for them.” 



    “Having compassion for our ancestors means having compassion for ourselves, because we are their continuation, and because we will become an ancestor.”



    “The practice of mindfulness and the teachings of the Buddha tell us that we can transform for our parents, for our ancestors. And if we have that chance, then our descendants can be free from suffering.”



    “If we heal something in the present, we heal the past, because our ancestors are not just gone and buried. They are in us, so we’re healing both ourselves and our ancestors within us. And by doing this healing, we’re changing our future because we’re not passing that [negativity] on.” 



    “Whenever you listen to the Buddha’s teachings, ask yourself, ‘How can I apply this to my daily life?’ The teachings have to continue to be renewed because they have to be relevant.”



    “What have we got? Well, we can shop. We can amass things. But when Thich Nhat Hanh talks about a stream or a river, when we understand that

    • 53 min

Customer Reviews

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183 Ratings

lexiforester3 ,

The Way Out Is In

Such an incredible listen. I was dealing with crippling depression a few months ago and listening to this podcast has helped me cope and learn more about myself in ways I never thought I could. Phenomenal listen; very insightful and really powerful messages to resonate with. Thank you for this!

bpondo89 ,

Insightful and inspiring!

This is exactly the kind of mindfulness and Buddhism podcast I’ve been looking for. Jo and Brother Phap Huu are soothing yet engaging hosts. I love learning first hand about Plum Village, Thay and his teachings, monastic life, and Zen. I also really enjoy hearing from the sisters who have been guests. The rhythm is great, the episodes aren’t too long, and I like the nature sound interludes. Getting to experience the mindfulness bell is always a treat! Ending each episode with a few mins of mindfulness together is also wonderful. REALLY makes me want to visit Plum Village! Thank you, Dear Friends!

Julklj ,

What a journey

This podcast is a lecture, to teach us how to be better humans, to lead us through a better pathway to lead with our emotions.

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