Trailer Episode 4: The Abolitionist and The Prison Warden Wood for the Trees

Prisons don't do what we want them to do. Should we ditch them? Or perhaps reimagine them? Cait speaks to abolitionist and criminologist David Scott about why he hopes for a world without prisons. Then she interviews Are Hoidal, former warden of Halden Prison in Norway, about a different approach to imprisonment that seems to yield better results. Support the Show.For background reading and a list of references, visit cantseethewood.com