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The Gray Area with Sean Illing takes a philosophy-minded look at culture, technology, politics, and the world of ideas. Each week, we invite a guest to explore a question or topic that matters. From the the state of democracy, to the struggle with depression and anxiety, to the nature of identity in the digital age, each episode looks for nuance and honesty in the most important conversations of our time. New episodes drop every Monday.

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The Gray Area with Sean Illing takes a philosophy-minded look at culture, technology, politics, and the world of ideas. Each week, we invite a guest to explore a question or topic that matters. From the the state of democracy, to the struggle with depression and anxiety, to the nature of identity in the digital age, each episode looks for nuance and honesty in the most important conversations of our time. New episodes drop every Monday.

    Life after death?

    Life after death?

    Sebastian Junger came as close as you possibly can to dying. While his doctors struggled to revive him, the veteran reporter and avowed rationalist experienced things that shocked and shook him, leaving him with profound questions and unexpected revelations. In his new book, In My Time of Dying, Junger explores the mysteries and commonalities of people’s near death experiences. He joins Sean to talk about what it’s like to die and what quantum physics can tell us about living that countless religions can’t.

    Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area
    Guest: Sebastian Junger. His new book is In My Time of Dying.
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    • 52 min
    The world after Ozempic

    The world after Ozempic

    Ozempic and other new weight loss drugs are being touted as potential miracle cures for diabetes and obesity. Journalist Johann Hari experimented with the drug and dropped 40 pounds. In his new book, Magic Pill, Hari discusses his experience with Ozempic and speaks to many of the leading scientists to better understand how the drug works. He joins Sean to talk about what he’s learned and the complicated trade-offs involved in the decision to take these drugs.

    Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area
    Guest: Johann Hari (@johannhari101). His new book is Magic Pill.
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    • 50 min
    UFOs, God, and the edge of understanding

    UFOs, God, and the edge of understanding

    Religious studies professor Diana Pasulka was a total nonbeliever in alien life, but she began to question this after speaking with many people who claim to have had otherworldly encounters. She also noticed how these accounts parallel the foundational texts of many religions. She has since written two books on the topic, the most recent of which is Encounters: Experiences with Nonhuman Intelligences. She joins Sean to talk about extraterrestrial life, God, angels, and the renewed interest in UFOs. 

    Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area
    Guest: Diana Pasulka (@dwpasulka). Her new book is Encounters: Experiences with Nonhuman Intelligences.
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    • 46 min
    How to listen

    How to listen

    Most of us don’t know how to truly listen, and it’s causing all sorts of problems. Sean Illing is joined by journalist Kate Murphy, the author of You’re Not Listening: What You’re Missing and Why It Matters, to discuss what it means to be a good listener, the problems that are caused when we don’t listen to each other, and the positive impacts on our health when we do.

    Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area
    Guest: Kate Murphy, author of You’re Not Listening: What You’re Missing and Why It Matters
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    • 55 min
    Everything's a cult now

    Everything's a cult now

    The internet has fractured our world into a million little subcultures catering to the specific identities and habits of everyone online. Writer Derek Thompson believes this has led to a widespread cult-like mentality that has crept into all facets of modern life — pop culture, media, politics, and religion itself. He joins Sean to explain this theory, and why it’s maybe not such a bad thing.

    Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area
    Guest: Derek Thompson (@dkthomp). His podcast is Plain English, and he writes for The Atlantic.
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    • 53 min
    Fareed Zakaria on our revolutionary moment

    Fareed Zakaria on our revolutionary moment

    Is it possible that we are living through one of the most revolutionary periods in human history? CNN’s Fareed Zakaria believes that we are and argues that the convergence of AI and the global backlash against liberal democracy are upending political orders around the world. He joins Sean to talk about how this period relates to history’s most impactful revolutions, both political and technological. 
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    Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area
    Guest: Fareed Zakaria (@fareedzakaria). His new book is Age of Revolutions.
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    • 45 min

Customer Reviews

4.5 out of 5
10.2K Ratings

10.2K Ratings

MedStudDud ,

Very Thought Provoking

I just finished the episode with Sebastian Junger. I have been a listener for a long time. I would recommend this show to people who enjoy The Ezra Klein show. The episodes tackle topics that can be difficult to pin down.

The most recent episode discussed the topic of the afterlife or lack there of, and as a secular Buddhist, I had chills a few times during the episode.

The first was when Sebastian described an episode of “communication” that happened while he was dreaming. His dad was experiencing a medical crisis as I recall and he had a dream about it as it was happening.

This happened to me with my cousin. He had a PTSD episode and rolled out of a moving vehicle. As this happened, I had a dream that I was in the desert being shot at. In the dream, I rolled out of a vehicle. I can still hear the voice in my head yelling that we were under fire. I woke up in a cold sweat, and I almost never have dreams that vivid. My mom described something similar with my aunt. She had a dream that my aunt was in trouble. It turns out my aunt had been mugged and left for dead by a river. I never have found a good explanation for these events, but it seems strange that events this specific could happen to multiple people, and it does suggest that we are missing at least part of the picture.

Anyway, I love these conversations. I always feel more enlightened after each episode.

Thank you for all you do!

ncarson11 ,

My favorite podcast!

Always thoughtful- such a wonderful way to start my day.

reckson2 ,

Top Rate

Interesting and high quality listening

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