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What's Next for Peter Navarro at Miami Federal Prison Camp‪?‬ White Collar Advice

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Transcript from CNN Interview
We're joined now by Prison Consultant and the founder of White Collar Advice, Justin Paperny. Justin, thanks so much for sharing part of your afternoon with us. What would you be telling Peter Navarro now as he begins his first day of incarceration?
I would tell him this four months can feel like 40 years. If he complains all day and finds people who will tell him exactly what he wants to hear, that it wasn't his fault or he can adjust properly. 
Don't complain about the length of his sentence, which can be off-putting to people who have been in prison for a long time. He can do his job with humility. He has a Ph.D. in economics from Harvard. He could use his experience to educate people so it could be a great time in his life, or it can be a miserable time. The good news for him, at least he gets credit for time served. Today he's one day closer to home.
That's true. He may not be a household name. He's not really a celebrity. He is well known in politics, though he was a prominent figure in the Trump White House. A Maga loyalist, he was able to hold a 30-minute press conference before starting his sentence. And most inmates don't have that luxury. How do you think his life on the outside will play on the inside?
Most people who go to prison, like me, are unknown. Because of his stature in the administration, there will be people who are sympathetic to him. There will be sycophants all around him offering to help him, and he can take that advice or help. Or he can lay low and recognize in the totality of his life this is a little blip, and he can use the experience for good. But certainly, guards and prisoners are going to come up to him and offer him things. Others won't care, and others will loathe him. Of course, he has an obligation to his family to adjust well, to never complain, and to use this experience somehow. Some way to benefit people in prison who have not had the opportunities that he has had throughout his lifetime. Use the 120 days on the inside to educate and help people. It's possible, but he has to make that choice.
I appreciate that that sort of stoic philosophy that you're recommending. There is not much privacy, apparently, in that elderly men's dorm that he's likely to live in. You mentioned keeping a low profile. Would that actually be possible under those circumstances?
If he chooses.
To create that profile, certainly he can. When I was in prison, I woke at 4:00, woke up at 4:00 in the morning. So I had several hours alone to think and create and write while the dorm slept. And I would exercise alone, go to the library alone, walk that track alone, and by exercising and working hard, you go to bed earlier because you are exhausted. Or he can do what so many prisoners do: sit in the chow hall and lament and complain. The great thing about complaining in prison is it will eventually be your turn, and there will be others who will be willing to listen to those complaints. The choice is his. But if someone tells you you cannot find respite or privacy in federal prison, that tells me they haven't been to federal prison. If he wants it, he can do it, but it's going to require an adjustment. Use the experience for good to teach rather than complain, which is what too many new prisoners do. All eyes will be on him. I hope he adjusts properly for his sake and his family's sake. They're watching.
Right? You did mention that he will have to find a job while he's in prison. What would you recommend he do? What are the options look like potentially for him?
I recommend he does his job because if he's in prison, there's already about 17 people who have come up to him and said, you shouldn't be here, I'll do your job for you. It shows humility and deference. If you're willing to contribute to that community of felons. He could be an orderly, work in the commissary, serve food. Maybe he's scrubbing toilets and showers. I'm not sure I know you do your job on the inside. You

Transcript from CNN Interview
We're joined now by Prison Consultant and the founder of White Collar Advice, Justin Paperny. Justin, thanks so much for sharing part of your afternoon with us. What would you be telling Peter Navarro now as he begins his first day of incarceration?
I would tell him this four months can feel like 40 years. If he complains all day and finds people who will tell him exactly what he wants to hear, that it wasn't his fault or he can adjust properly. 
Don't complain about the length of his sentence, which can be off-putting to people who have been in prison for a long time. He can do his job with humility. He has a Ph.D. in economics from Harvard. He could use his experience to educate people so it could be a great time in his life, or it can be a miserable time. The good news for him, at least he gets credit for time served. Today he's one day closer to home.
That's true. He may not be a household name. He's not really a celebrity. He is well known in politics, though he was a prominent figure in the Trump White House. A Maga loyalist, he was able to hold a 30-minute press conference before starting his sentence. And most inmates don't have that luxury. How do you think his life on the outside will play on the inside?
Most people who go to prison, like me, are unknown. Because of his stature in the administration, there will be people who are sympathetic to him. There will be sycophants all around him offering to help him, and he can take that advice or help. Or he can lay low and recognize in the totality of his life this is a little blip, and he can use the experience for good. But certainly, guards and prisoners are going to come up to him and offer him things. Others won't care, and others will loathe him. Of course, he has an obligation to his family to adjust well, to never complain, and to use this experience somehow. Some way to benefit people in prison who have not had the opportunities that he has had throughout his lifetime. Use the 120 days on the inside to educate and help people. It's possible, but he has to make that choice.
I appreciate that that sort of stoic philosophy that you're recommending. There is not much privacy, apparently, in that elderly men's dorm that he's likely to live in. You mentioned keeping a low profile. Would that actually be possible under those circumstances?
If he chooses.
To create that profile, certainly he can. When I was in prison, I woke at 4:00, woke up at 4:00 in the morning. So I had several hours alone to think and create and write while the dorm slept. And I would exercise alone, go to the library alone, walk that track alone, and by exercising and working hard, you go to bed earlier because you are exhausted. Or he can do what so many prisoners do: sit in the chow hall and lament and complain. The great thing about complaining in prison is it will eventually be your turn, and there will be others who will be willing to listen to those complaints. The choice is his. But if someone tells you you cannot find respite or privacy in federal prison, that tells me they haven't been to federal prison. If he wants it, he can do it, but it's going to require an adjustment. Use the experience for good to teach rather than complain, which is what too many new prisoners do. All eyes will be on him. I hope he adjusts properly for his sake and his family's sake. They're watching.
Right? You did mention that he will have to find a job while he's in prison. What would you recommend he do? What are the options look like potentially for him?
I recommend he does his job because if he's in prison, there's already about 17 people who have come up to him and said, you shouldn't be here, I'll do your job for you. It shows humility and deference. If you're willing to contribute to that community of felons. He could be an orderly, work in the commissary, serve food. Maybe he's scrubbing toilets and showers. I'm not sure I know you do your job on the inside. You

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