Why Task Lists Fail?

In this week’s cast, Ray, Augusto, Francis and Art discuss why task lists fail in your personal productivity systems? And, we offer some tips for making task lists that are resilient to our workaday worlds.

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In this Cast | Why Task Lists Fail?

Ray Sidney-Smith

Augusto Pinaud

Art Gelwicks

Francis Wade

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How to Master the Art of To-Do Lists by Understanding Why They Fail : iDoneThis blog

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Voiceover Artist 0:00
Are you ready to manage your work and personal world better to live a fulfilling productive life, then you’ve come to the right place. ProductivityCast the weekly show about all things productivity, here are your hosts, Ray Sidney-Smith and Augusto Pinaud with Francis Wade and Art Gelwicks.

Raymond Sidney-Smith 0:17
Welcome back, everybody to ProductivityCast, the weekly show about all things personal productivity. I’m Ray Sidney-Smith.

Augusto Pinaud 0:23
I’m Augusto Pinaud.

Francis Wade 0:24
I’m Francis Wade.

Art Gelwicks 0:25
And I’m Art Gelwicks.

Raymond Sidney-Smith 0:26
Welcome, gentlemen, and welcome to our listeners to this action packed episode of ProductivityCast. Today, we are going to be talking about Action Lists, actually, we’re gonna be talking about task lists, and really what they’re all about, why do we have them? Why do we use them, and some of the common pitfalls that people experience while they are trying to manifest and utilize their task lists. And this is a perennial topic, but I think it was triggered by an article that we picked up from the I done this.com site. And we thought we would have a discussion around some of the things that people really do get hung up on when it comes to task lists. So let’s start the conversation off around the idea of why do we have a task list? What is the purpose of a task list, and let’s go from there.

Art Gelwicks 1:10
we start off with the common knowledge of everybody visualizes a task list. And it’s a list of items with checkboxes next to it. And that’s usually, unfortunately, as far as people will think. But a task list is so much more than that. And it’s not just things to do, I think one of the biggest problems we get into and we saw this in the article, we’ve seen this, in numerous conversations about this topic, is understanding the scope of what a task list can do for us, rather than what we can do for it saying apologies to JFK. So when we think about a task list, we’re initially trying to capture all those little things that we have to do on a given day, given week, given month, whatever. And we’re trying to get those off of that list. Well, that becomes an action in and of itself, trying to clear that listing. I, I suppose that a task list is probably one of the best tracking and planning tools we have available to us. We use all different kinds of tools. But if you if you take a task list and you soup it up, you start to get into a project management tool. So wait, if it has that level of capability with just some extra features. What can a regular task list do to us do for us? Well, I think that’s where we have to go back to our definition, what is a task list. And a task list in my definition, is a tracking and planning tool.

Francis Wade 2:41
For me, it’s an external representation of a bunch of psychological commitments. So we make promises to ourselves to do stuff in the future. And we make lots of promises, and some subset of all those promises, it can be captured externally. So that we are able to have some peace of mind because they are not swimming around in our heads. We use it it helps the chances that we’ll actually get the task done. And so there’s people task lists, there are calendars of different kinds, there are digital task lists, there are Excel spreadsheets. And then there’s also having an administrative assistant, having an individual who manages, basically manages all your tasks for you. So that’s giving someone the job of you know, once you have a task, you just tell the person and then you stop trying to remember it, and the person is trusted, they can be just as effective or more effective than a list or a piece of paper or a digital tool or anything like that. But the objective is the same psychologically, it’s either in your mind swimming around causing trouble waking you up in the middle of the night, and likely to be forgotten, or it’s in some trusted external mechanism that allows you have some peace of mind.

Raymond Sidney-Smith 4:09
I would very much agree with Francis in in that definition, I think that I think of a task list as an externalized list of your work. It’s just externalizing work. And when we take the work off of our own shoulders, the stress of having to remember it plus the really inefficiency of our mind to remember all the tasks that would could or should be done at any given time. We just aren’t very good at being able to do that algorithm in very complex long term work. And so being able to do that in an external inside of a tool, paper and pen, digital or otherwise, gives us a longer term planning and a lot more complex planning capability than we would otherwise. And I think that’s really useful for most of us. You know, I’m not really going to think about what I’m going to Do a year two years from now. But the reality is, is that I have a thought about something that’s going to be done at that time, in that timeframe. Or on that timeline, I can go ahead and plant that in my digital system. And it’ll show up in one or two years timeframe. And then I can deal with it. And that didn’t, that stress didn’t have to sit on my shoulders for any of that length of time, until I until I prompted it to give me that stress. And so it becomes a positive stressor, something that I am capable of tackling at that time, versus me every day for the next, you know, 700 odd days, thinking about that thing every day so that I don’t forget it in in one or two years time. It’s just kind of not necessary. So I think of task lists as being that one external piece. The other part is, for me the prioritization capabilities of a task list. Coming from kind of the GTD perspective, thinking of next actions, as being those physical things that will prompt me to move a project forward or move, move some kind of work forward, I’m thinking about it from the perspective that I’m looking at my action list and identifying what can be done right now have all of the possible opportunities of things that I can do during discretionary time. So there is there is that function, but it also is a prompting function for the things that must be done. Or there are two different pieces there, right, there’s the stuff that I need to do, and want to do in my discretionary time. But there’s also the things that must be done. And it is not withstanding my discretionary time, it needs to be done today. And I need to be able to do that. And so it to some extent, there is a date time and location function there to a task list that some people actually externalize to a calendar type interface, right. Some people put that into a scheduling system. We’ll talk about that in a bit. So we have these two pieces that are that I think are are very similar, but not the same. But things that I can do on a longer horizons, I have a project and there’s work that needs to be done. It doesn’t have to be done today. But if I have to go get my driver’s license renewed and my driver’s license is expiring today, then I must do that today, that becomes a must. And it also becomes date, time and location fixed. And I think more of the context that kind of connect there, the more it becomes something that that we have to manage differently in our task lists than otherwise. And so maybe it even becomes a different task list for some people or a calendar or something like that. So I

Augusto Pinaud 7:26
think I agree with that definition that you have, for me, they have three types, the ones that need to happen today. Now, regardless of the ones that should happen soon, because they The thing is getting louder and louder moderator and the things that I want to wish now that that wish list here, I want to read these articles, but but they are there, they’re on my task list. But they don’t. It’s really more if I can get rid of that critical step,