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Australian psychologists Amy & Hunter nerd out about all things psychology, from Star Wars to Social Anxiety.
Listen in for an independent pod with great chemistry between therapists working in oncology (Hunter) & child psychology (Amy). Each episode focuses on a psychological issue, therapy or simply provides an outlet to overanalyse our favourite tv & film characters.

Two Shrinks Pod Dr Hunter Mulcare & Amy Donaldson

    • Mental Health
    • 4.8 • 106 Ratings

Australian psychologists Amy & Hunter nerd out about all things psychology, from Star Wars to Social Anxiety.
Listen in for an independent pod with great chemistry between therapists working in oncology (Hunter) & child psychology (Amy). Each episode focuses on a psychological issue, therapy or simply provides an outlet to overanalyse our favourite tv & film characters.

    65 - How to Reduce Social Anxiety

    65 - How to Reduce Social Anxiety

    Ever find yourself getting anxious about talking to new people, avoiding speaking in work meetings or overanalysing something you’ve said? Then this episode is for you. We chat about practical ways to start to work on social anxiety - calming yourself, challenging your thoughts and experimenting with new skills.
    To wrap up the show Amy has a bone to pick with critics of cryving (driving while crying) and Hunter rhapsodised over the appeal of simple desserts.

    Clark’s cognitive model of social anxiety

    Social anxiety resources:Social awkwardness
    International Handbook of Social Anxiety by Crozier & Alden
    Cognitive-Behavioral Group Therapy for Social Phobia by Heimberg & Becker
    Things we came across:Don’t cry while you’re driving by Jeon
    The commonness fallacy (predicting dessert choices) by Reit & Critcher

    • 1 hr 44 min
    64 - Election Emotions: anxiety, catharsis and hope

    64 - Election Emotions: anxiety, catharsis and hope

    This episode, Amy and Hunter talk shit about the US elections. After a long, stressful week anxiously watching, we chat about how we’ve felt, our top gripes from the past 4 years & why it’s ok to let it all out.
    We all need to talk, process, feel everything that’s going on right now - hear why it’s important to let loose before we can move on.
    Art installation of Trump’s 20,000 lies: https://www.timeout.com/newyork/news/a-massive-mural-featuring-20-000-of-trumps-lies-has-been-installed-in-soho-102920
    Rudy Giuliani at Four Seasons Total Landscaping: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/08/the-other-four-seasons-trump-team-holds-press-conference-at-suburban-garden-centre

    • 1 hr 4 min
    63 - How to reduce anger

    63 - How to reduce anger

    For no reason we can think of (COVID, US elections, lockdowns, 2020…), lots of us are struggling with anger at the moment. This episode we take a practical look at anger to help you know when you’re feeling it & what to do when it crops up. We talk about why it’s helpful to understand your anger and some steps to calm down quicker when it does.
    As always we wrap up with things we came across, this time looking at just how little intervention is needed to stop cheating & why Hunter is in desperate need of a holiday to the Swiss alps.
    Info on anger:
    A stress inoculation approach to anger management by Novaco https://eric.ed.gov/?id=ED141673
    A volcano in my tummy: helping children to handle anger by Pudney & Whitehousehttps://books.google.com.au/books/about/A_Volcano_in_My_Tummy.html?id=YF3xihsrvUwC
    Starving the anger gremlin: A CBT workbook on anger management for young people by Collins-Donnellyhttps://www.google.com.au/books/edition/Starving_the_Anger_Gremlin/fHf2f2TBDmcC?hl=en&gbpv=0

    Do real & imagined barriers reduce cheating? https://www.researchgate.net/publication/343256328_The_moral_barrier_effect_Real_and_imagined_barriers_can_reduce_cheating
    Movie induced tourismhttps://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10548400802092866

    • 1 hr 21 min
    62 - Schadenfreude: Is it ok to feel like this?

    62 - Schadenfreude: Is it ok to feel like this?

    This week, in the wake of President Trump being diagnosed with COVID-19, the world has been going through a collective emotional experience. People who ordinarily wouldn’t relish in the misfortunes of others are feeling a pleasurable twinge of schadenfreude. We noticed people talking about how guilty they’ve felt so we wanted to pull apart this complex emotion in the two shrinks way: What is it? Why do we experience it? And is it really ok to feel like this?
    As always, to wrap up we finish with Things We Came Across: why narcissists aren’t wearing masks and odd things that have happened in interviews.

    We learnt about schadenfreude in:
    Schadenfreude: Understanding Pleasure at the Misfortune of Others: www.cambridge.org/9781107017504 
    The relationship between schadenfreude & sadism: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886916300071
    Schadenfreude & ingroup outgroup bias:http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~banaji/research/publications/articles/2017_Lehr_GPIR.pdf
    Integrating multiple perspectives on schadenfreude: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11031-012-9331-4
    Why narcissists aren’t wearing masks & how to approach them: https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/wellness/narcissism-mask-covid-psychology/2020/09/25/d3de1b32-fe9c-11ea-9ceb-061d646d9c67_story.html 

    • 42 min
    2SP on Meta - a behind the scenes interview

    2SP on Meta - a behind the scenes interview

    Amy and Hunter were excited to be on Peter Wells’ podcast Meta, a podcast about podcasts. If you are a Two Shrinks fan and want to know more about how we go about producing the show, who listens and how we got started then head over to the Meta podcast feed (link below) and tune in to hear Peter grill us and perhaps act as a bit of a therapist towards us. Peter writes for the @theage and @smh newspapers about technology and podcasts and recently started Meta, where he is interviewing podcasters about the work they do. His first episode was with the Coronacast Team, the third with none other than former Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard. So we were very pleased to be amongst such great company.
    Meta webpage:

    • 1 min
    61 - Autism Spectrum Disorder

    61 - Autism Spectrum Disorder

    Autism, a fascinating, complex and controversial disorder. Join Amy and Hunter for an overview of Autism, or as it is currently known, Autism Spectrum Disorder. This episode should be a good one stop shop for giving you a) a description of the signs and symptoms of Autism, b) a history of how Autism and Aspergers Syndrome came to be recognised, c) a description about one of the main psychological theories to explain some of the challenges people with Autism have, and d) a discussion of myths about Autism. The episode wraps with Things We Came Across, Hunter discussing fainting in classical paintings while Amy tackles the influence of social anxiety on Pokemon Go behaviour.
    This episode is pitched at a high level but should be accessible enough to learn about Autism and it is one of our longer shows because there is a lot to cover (and we didn’t even go into working with people with ASD). Autism is a really interesting topic for clinicians and students of psychology to study given it’s complexity and also the intersection of experimental social cognition research, advocacy, early intervention and the emerging neuro-divergent community and movement.
    If there is anything you think we missed or would like us to cover about Autism then email us at twoshrinkspod@gmail.com.
    Research & information:
    Autism : A New Introduction to Psychological Theory and Current Debate by Francesca Happé , and Sue Fletcher-Watson
    Vaccination and Autism (it doesn’t cause Autism) : https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/vaccination-and-autism.pdfDiagnostic and Statistical Manual, 5th edn (DSM-5)
    The Metamorphosis of Autism by Bonnie Evans: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK436841/
    TV shows & movies mentioned:
    Big Bang Theory
    Please Stand By
    Rain man
    The IT crowd
    Things we came across:
    Fainting and painting: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0074774206740077
    Personality & pokemon go: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886917307067

    • 1 hr 42 min

Customer Reviews

4.8 out of 5
106 Ratings

106 Ratings

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Basement Jacs ,

Accessible and informative

Very-well deconstructed complex topics in the minefield that is psychology. Accessible to both the public, while staying informative to professionals. Very well done, thank you!

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So good

Can we make this compulsory listening before participating in society please?

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