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PING is a podcast for people who want to look behind the scenes into the workings of the Internet. Each fortnight we will chat with people who have built and are improving the health of the Internet.
The views expressed by the featured speakers are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of APNIC.

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PING is a podcast for people who want to look behind the scenes into the workings of the Internet. Each fortnight we will chat with people who have built and are improving the health of the Internet.
The views expressed by the featured speakers are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of APNIC.

    Measuring Starlink TCP performance

    Measuring Starlink TCP performance

    In this episode of PING, APNIC’s Chief Scientist Geoff Huston (https://blog.apnic.net/author/Geoff-Huston/) discusses Starlink again, and the ability of modern TCP flow control algorithms to cope with the highly variant loss and delay seen over this satellite network. Geoff has been doing more measurements using starlink terminals in Australia and the USA, at different times of day exploring the system behaviour.Starlink has broken new ground in Low Earth Orbit internet services. Unlike Geosynchronous satellite services which have a long delay but constant visibility of the satellite in stationary orbit above, Starlink requires the consumer to continuously re-select a new satellite as they move overhead in orbit. In fact, a new satellite has to be picked every 15 seconds. This means there's a high degree of variability in the behaviour of the link, both between signal quality to each satellite, and in the brief interval of loss ocurring at each satellite re-selection window. Its a miracle TCP can survive, and in fact in the case of the newer BBR protocol thrive, and achieve remarkably high throughput, if the circumstances permit. This is because of the change from a slow start, fast backoff model used in Cubic and Reno to a much more aggressive link bandwidth estimation model, which continuously probes to see if there is more room to play in.Read more about Satellites, TCP and flow control algorithms on the APNIC Blog and on the IETF website.* An explainer on Coherent Optical Transcievers (https://blog.apnic.net/2024/04/15/coherent-optical-transceivers/) (Geoff Huston, APNIC Blog 2024)* Low Earth Orbit and the Congestion Control Problem (https://blog.apnic.net/2023/11/23/podcast-low-earth-orbit-and-the-tcp-congestion-control-problem/) (Geoff Huston, APNIC Blog 2023)* APNIC Labs measurements of Starlink (https://labs.apnic.net/starlink/) (APNIC Labs)* Comparing TCP and QUIC (https://blog.apnic.net/2022/11/03/comparing-tcp-and-quic/) (Geoff Huston APNIC Blog 2022)* Testing LEO and GEO Satellite Services in Australia (https://blog.apnic.net/2022/05/02/testing-leo-and-geo-satellite-services-in-australia/) * Transport Protocols and the Network (https://blog.apnic.net/2021/05/11/transport-protocols-and-the-network/) * Congestion Control at IETF 110 (https://blog.apnic.net/2021/03/30/congestion-control-at-ietf-110/)

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    Using Fibre Optics to measure vehicle traffic

    Using Fibre Optics to measure vehicle traffic

    This time on PING, Dr Mona Jaber (https://www.qmul.ac.uk/dtsdg/team-details/profiles/jabermona.html) from Queen Mary University of London (https://www.qmul.ac.uk/) (QMUL), discusses her work exploring IoT, Digital Twins and Social Science led research in the field of networking and telecommunications.Dr Jaber is a senior lecturer in QMUL and is the founder and director of the Digital Twins for Sustainable Development Goals (DT4SDG) at QMUL. She was one of the invited Keynote speakers at the recent APRICOT/APNIC57 meeting held in Bangkok, and the podcast explores the three major themes explored in her keynote presentation.* The role of deployed fibre optic communication systems in measurement for sustainable green goals* Digital Twin Simulation platforms for exploring the problem space* Social Sciences led research, an inter-disciplinary approach to formulating and exploring problems which has been applied to Sustainable Development-related research through technical innovation in IoT, AI, and Digital Twins.The Fibre Optic measurement method is Distributed Acoustic Sensor or DAS:"DAS reuses underground fibre optic cables as distributed strain sensing where the strain is caused by moving objects above ground. DAS is not affected by weather or light and the fibre optic cables are often readily available, offering a continuous source for sensing along the length of the cable. Unlike video cameras, DAS systems also offer a GDPR-compliant source of data."The DASMATE Project at theengineer.co.ukThis Episode of PING was recorded live in the venue and is a bit noisy compared to the usual recordings, but it's well worth putting up with the background chatter!Read more about Dr Jaber's presentation, the DAS system, Digital Twins and Fibre Optic communications:* Intelligent IoT for sustainable development Goals (https://2024.apricot.net/assets/files/APIC378/intelligent-iot-for-_1709020139.pdf): Keynote talk at APRICOT/APNIC57* The recording of Dr Jaber's Keynote talk (https://youtu.be/BOY8tVNL3yQ?t=1564)* The DASMATE project (https://www.theengineer.co.uk/content/news/das-signal-modelling-to-assist-in-uptake-of-active-travel): Assisting the uptake of Active Travel Tower Hamlets, London* The DT4SDG group (https://www.qmul.ac.uk/dtsdg/) page at QMUL* Coherent Optical Tranceivers (https://blog.apnic.net/2024/04/15/coherent-optical-transceivers/) (Geoff Huston, April 2024)

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    Digital sovereignty and standards

    Digital sovereignty and standards

    In this episode of PING, APNIC’s Chief Scientist Geoff Huston (https://blog.apnic.net/author/Geoff-Huston/) discusses the European Union's consideration of taking a role in the IETF, as itself. Network engineers, policy makers and scientists from all around the world have participated in IETF but this is the first time an entity like the EU has considered participation as itself in the process of standards development. What's lead to this outcome? What is driving the concern that the EU as a law setting and treaty body, an inter-governmental trade bloc needs to participate in the IETF process? Is this a mis-understanding of the nature of Internet Standards development or does it reflect a concern that standards are diverging from society's needs? Geoff wrote this up in a recent opinion piece on the APNIC Blog and the podcast is a conversation around the topic.Read more about digital sovereignty on the APNIC Blog and on the IETF website.* Digital sovereignty and standards (https://blog.apnic.net/2024/03/06/opinion-digital-sovereignty-and-standards/) (Geoff Huston, APNIC Blog)* As the Balance of Security Controls shifts where does responsibility rest? (https://blog.apnic.net/2024/03/20/as-the-balance-of-security-controls-shifts-where-does-responsibility-rest/) (Kathleen Moriarty, Guest Author on the APNIC Blog)* Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc9446/) (IETF RFC9446)* Pervasive Monitoring is an Attack (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7258) (IETF RFC7528)

    • 1 Std. 5 Min.
    DNS OARC's many faces

    DNS OARC's many faces

    This time on PING we have Phil Regnauld (https://www.linkedin.com/in/philregnauld/) from DNS Operations Analysis & Resource Center (DNS-OARC) (https://www.dns-oarc.net/) talking about the three distinct faces OARC presents to the community.Phil came to the OARC presidents role, replacing Keith Mitchell (https://www.linkedin.com/in/keithmitchell/) who was the founding president since 2008 through to this year. Phil previously has worked with the Network Startup Resource Centre (NSRC) (https://nsrc.org/)and with AFNOG (https://www.afnog.org/), and the Francophone Internet community at large.DNS OARC has at least 3 distinct faces. It is a community of DNS operators and researchers, who maintain an active ongoing dialogue face to face in workshops and online in the OARC Mattermost community hub. Secondly it is a home, repository and ongoing development environment for DNS related tools such as DNSVIZ (https://dnsviz.net/) (written by Casey Deccio) hosting the AS112 (https://www.as112.net/) project, and development of the DSC systems amongst many other tools.Thirdly it is the organiser and host of the Day In The Life or DITL (https://www.dns-oarc.net/index.php/oarc/data/ditl) activity, the periodic collection of 48-72 hours of DNS traffic from the DNS root operators, and other significant sources of DNS traffic. Stretching back over 10 years DITL is a huge resource for DNS research, providing insights in the use of DNS and its behaviour on-the-wire.Read more about DNS OARC and its activities:* The Domain Name Service Operations, Analysis and Research Center (https://www.dns-oarc.net/index.php/)* The DSC (https://www.dns-oarc.net/index.php/oarc/data/dsc) data collection and analysis system* DNS OARC software tools catalog (https://www.dns-oarc.net/index.php/oarc/tools)* The Day In The Life (DITL) (https://www.dns-oarc.net/index.php/oarc/data/ditl) collection

    • 40 Min.
    DELEG

    DELEG

    In this episode of PING, APNICs Chief Scientist Geoff Huston discusses a new proposed DNS resource record called DELEG. The record is being designed to aid in managing where a DNS zone is delegated.Delegation is the primary mechanism used in the DNS to separate responsibility between child and parent for a given domain name. The DELEG RR is designed to address several problems, including a goal of moving to new transports for the name resolution service the DNS provides to all other Internet protocols.Additionally, Geoff believes it can help with cost and management issues inherent in out-of-band external domain name management through the registry/registrar process, bound in the whois system and in a protocol called Extensible Provisioning Protocol or EPP.There are big costs here and they include some problems dealing with intermediaries who manage your DNS on your behalf.Unlike whois, EPP, and registrar functions, DELEG would be an in-band mechanism between the parent zone, any associated registry, and the delegated child zone. It’s a classic disintermediation story about improved efficiency and enables the domain name holder to nominate intermediaries for their services, via an aliasing mechanism that has until now eluded the DNS.Read more about DELEG on the APNIC Blog and on the IETF website.* DNS and the proposed DELEG record (https://blog.apnic.net/2024/02/08/dns-and-the-proposed-deleg-record/) (APNIC Blog)* ‘Extensible Delegation for DNS (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dnsop-deleg/)‘ (IETF draft)* Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP) (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc3731) (IETF RFC)

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    Taking the PULSE of the Internet

    Taking the PULSE of the Internet

    This time on PING we have Amreesh Phokeer (https://www.internetsociety.org/author/phokeer/) from the Internet Society (ISOC) talking about a system they operate called Pulse, available at https://pulse.internetsociety.org/ (https://pulse.internetsociety.org/). Pulse’s purpose is to assess the “resiliency” of the Internet in a given locality.Similar systems we have discussed before on Ping include APNIC’s DASH (https://dash.apnic.net/) service, aimed at resource holding APNIC members, and the MANRS (https://manrs.org/) project. Both of these take underlying statistics like resource distribution data, or measurements of RPKI uptake or BGP behaviours and present them to the community, and in the case of MANRS there’s a formalised “score” which shows your ranking against current best practices.The Pulse system measures resilience in four pillars: Infrastructure, Quality, Security and Market Readiness. Some of these are “hard” measures analogous to MANRS and DASH, but Pulse in addition to these kinds of measurements includes “soft” indicators like the economic impacts of design decisions in an economy of interest, the extent of competition, and less formally defined attributes like the amount of resiliency behind BGP transit. This allows the ISOC Pulse system to consider governance-related aspects of the development of Internet, and has a simple scoring model which allows a single health metric analogous to the use of pulse and blood pressure by a physician to assess your condition, but this time applied to the Internet.Read more about Pulse:* The https://pulse.internetsociety.org/ (https://pulse.internetsociety.org/) website* The Pulse Blog (https://pulse.internetsociety.org/blog)* Don’t put all your internet infrastructure in one basket (https://blog.apnic.net/2023/11/14/dont-put-all-your-internet-infrastructure-in-one-basket/) (Robbie Mitchell in the APNIC Blog)* Internet Resilience on Pulse (https://pulse.internetsociety.org/resilience)* Internet Resilience Index Methodology (https://pulse.internetsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Internet-Society-Pulse-IRI-Methodology-October-2021-v1.0-Final-EN.pdf)

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