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Sam interviews historian Dr. Jefferson Cowie, author of Freedom’s Dominion: A Saga of White Resistance to Federal Power (winner of the 2023 Pulitzer Prize). Jeff serves as the James G. Stahlman Chair in the Department of History at Vanderbilt University. He was recently honored with a 2024 Guggenheim Fellowship - in part, in anticipation of his upcoming project, tentatively titled Crosswinds of a Common History. You can find more of Jeff's writing including information on his other three books here. 



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Mentioned in the episode:

The ‘Unified Reich’ Scandal is a Feature Not a Bug of Trump's Brand of American Fascism by Annika Brockschmidt for Religion Dispatches

Refuse Fascism episode 181: The Evangelical Prophets Anointing Trump with Matthew D. Taylor 

Straight White American Jesus Special Episode: Justice Alito Let's His Appeal to Heaven Flag Fly

The Supreme Court's new voting rights decision is a love letter to gerrymandering by Ian Millhiser for Vox

Refuse Fascism episode 197: Choices: A Post-Roe Abortion Rights Manifesto

Fascism in America? (Part 1 of a deep dive into the "fascism debate") by Thomas Zimmer

The Anti-Liberal Left Has a Fascism Problem (Part 2 of a deep dive into the "fascism debate") by Thomas Zimmer


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This week Sam Goldman (@SamBGoldman) and Coco Das (@Coco_Das)  have a wide ranging conversation with Dr. Clarence Lusane and Sunsara Taylor over what it will take to stop fascism in the United States.  We discuss the 2024 elections in the context of the prospect of civil war, the genocide in Gaza and the uprising to stop it, the threat of today's wars spiraling out of control, the nature of the fascist threat, and the possibility of wrenching a better future out of this moment.

Dr. Clarence Lusane is a political science professor and interim political science department chair at Howard University, and independent expert to the European Commission Against Racism and Intolerance. HIs latest book is Twenty Dollars and Change: Harriet Tubman and the Ongoing Fight for Racial Justice and Democracy. Read more from Dr. Lusane here

Sunsara Taylor (@SunsaraTaylor) is the co-host of the RNL (Revolution Nothing Less) Show on YouTube. She helped initiate Refuse Fascism in the aftermath of the election of Trump. Sunsara led tens of thousands into the streets against the overturn of Roe v Wade w/ RiseUp4AbortionRights.



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Related Episodes: 

The Cataclysm of a Second Trump Term

Sunsara Taylor: Forced Motherhood = Female Enslavement

This American Fascism: A Retrospective


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Sam discusses the events of this past week including Trump's trials (including what's getting prosecuted and what's being postponed indefinitely), the escalating genocide in Gaza as the Israeli military started to invade Rafah and the ongoing bravery of students across the country who continue to demand an end to this genocide.

Then, we share an interview with acclaimed historian and returning guest Dr. Federico Finchelstein to discuss his latest book The Wannabe Fascists: A Guide to Understanding the Greatest Threat to Democracy. Dr. Finchelstein serves as Professor of History at the New School for Social Research and Eugene Lang College in New York City. He is also the author of From Fascism to Populism in History (published 2017/2019)  A Brief History of Fascist Lies, (published in 2020) and Fascist Mythologies The History and Politics of Unreason in Borges, Freud, and Schmitt (published in 2022). Follow him on Twitter at @FinchelsteinF.

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Mentioned in this Episode:

U of C student interviewed by FOX 32 from the frontlines about what the student movement is fighting for.



Related Episodes:

Fascist Lies with Federico Finchelstein

Federico Finchelstein: "White Replacement Theory" & Fascism 


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We're sharing a round-up of excerpts from interviews over the past four years with 20 experts on fascism. If you want to know "what is US fascism in this century" or "who are the fascists in America" or "where did fascism in the US come from" - this is your crash course (and it's episode 200!).

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Mentioned in this Episode:

How Far Trump Would Go by Eric Cortalessa (Time)



Featuring:

Jeff Sharlet - Episode 31 (11/29/20)

Jason Stanley - Episode 20 (10/4/20)

Michael Coard - Episode 12 (8/9/20)

Coco Das - Episode 54 (4/11/21)

Walden Bello - Episode 61 (5/30/21)

Thomas Zimmer - Episode 92 (1/2/22)

Annika Brockschmidt - Episode 103 (3/20/22)

Andy Zee - Episode 32 (12/10/20)

Federico Finchelstein - Episode 49 (3/7/21)

Jared Yates Sexton - Episode 6 (6/28/20)

Henry Giroux - Episode 42 (1/24/21)

Anthony DiMaggio - Episode 108 (4/24/22)

Wajahat Ali - Episode 140 (12/31/22)

Anthea Butler - Episode 91 (12/26/21)

Bradley Onishi - Episode 140 (12/31/22)

Dahlia Lithwick - Episode 91 (12/26/21)

Ruth Ben Ghiat - Episode 3 (6/7/20)

Umair Haque - Episode 48 (2/28/21)

Jeff Sharlet - Episode 150 (3/26/23)

Jared Yates Sexton - Episode 91 (12/26/21)

Brynn Tannehill - Episode 57 (5/2/21)

Thomas Zimmer - Episode 92 (1/2/22)

Wendy Via - Episode 179 (11/19/23)


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It’s been one of those weeks… Sam shares commentary on the wildly fascist logic coming from the Supreme Court this past week (the president is likely immune from prosecution for the attempted coup in Jan 2021, and federal law will likely no longer require emergency rooms to provide life-saving abortions…), the wave of repression sweeping American universities against the courageous students and professors continuing to demand an end to the US-supported genocide in Gaza waged by Israel, plus notes on the indictments released by Arizona against a who’s who list of fascists including the fake electors who attempted to substitute themselves during the 2020 coup attempt. 



Then, she talks with Tom Schaller, co-author (along with Paul Waldman) of White Rural Rage. Schaller is a professor of political science at the University of Maryland, Baltimore County. A former columnist for The Baltimore Sun, he has written for The New York Times, The Washington Post, and the Los Angeles Times. He is the author or co-author of four other books. 



Mentioned in the episode:

Donald Trump Already Got What He Needed From the Supreme Court by Madiba K. Dennie for Balls and Strikes

Donald Trump had a fantastic day in the Supreme Court today by Ian Millhiser for Vox

The Supreme Court’s likely to make it more dangerous to be pregnant in a red state by Ian Millhiser for Vox

Supreme Court Justices Hold Lively Debate About How Much Women Should Suffer by Madiba K. Dennie for Balls and Strikes

The US supreme court heard one of the most sadistic, extreme anti-abortion cases yet by Moira Donegan for the Guardian

The Crackdown on Campus Protests Is Happening Everywhere 

Fash Supremes Helping Immunize Amerika Against what's Left of Democracy by Paul Street 

Supreme "Surprise" by Paul Street 

Why did 74 Million Vote for Trump? The simple and basic answer: Because they agree with him. Presentation by Andy Zee 

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Sam talks with three experts on widespread local fascist organizing around the country including the so-called Constitutional Sheriffs movement, the embrace by local governments of right wing militias and fascist efforts to modify the constitution itself.

Devin Burghart (@dburghart) is the Executive Director, at the Institute for Research & Education on Human Rights. Carolyn Gallaher is a professor at American University. She has written about rightwing paramilitaries in the U.S. and Northern Ireland. Read more from her here. Follow her on Twitter at @C_OGallachoir or at Bluesky at @cgallaher.bsky.social. CJ Spencer (@ByCJSpencer) wrote How the Far Right-Wing Plans to Obliterate More of Our Constitutional Rights. Read more from them here.



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Mentioned in this Episode:

Inside the Gaza Solidarity Encampment at Columbia University by Lara-Nour Walton (The Nation)

January 6 insurrectionists had a great day in the Supreme Court today (Most of the justices seem to want to make it harder to prosecute January 6 rioters.) by Ian Millhiser (Vox)

The Supreme Court’s confusing new anti-trans decision, explained (The Court mostly reinstates Idaho’s ban on transgender health care for children.) by Ian Millhiser (Vox)

The Supreme Court effectively abolishes the right to mass protest in three US state