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Welcome to the Back Pain Podcast with Rob and Dave!

We are researching the facts about back pain and bringing them to you in easy to understand format.

We are two Chiropractors who spend every day looking after people with back pain. It has become our mission to talk to the best in the business to get the facts that you need to hear. We interview everyone from surgeons, GPs, Physios, Chiropractors, consultants and more so that we can get you the answers to your questions, as well as actionable tips you can take away from each episode to start feeling better/regain your health/get back to life...

The Back Pain Podcast Rob Beaven & Dave Elliott

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Welcome to the Back Pain Podcast with Rob and Dave!

We are researching the facts about back pain and bringing them to you in easy to understand format.

We are two Chiropractors who spend every day looking after people with back pain. It has become our mission to talk to the best in the business to get the facts that you need to hear. We interview everyone from surgeons, GPs, Physios, Chiropractors, consultants and more so that we can get you the answers to your questions, as well as actionable tips you can take away from each episode to start feeling better/regain your health/get back to life...

    Can You Fail Physiotherapy?

    Can You Fail Physiotherapy?

    If you have been told you have failed physiotherapy what does it mean and what can you do about it?

    Dave and Rob share great content about the many different tools that help with recovery and why everyone needs an individualised approach to support effective recovery. It can take repetition, trial and error to find the right combination and your therapist should be talking to you to understand what the right approach is for you because - can a patient fail manual therapy…absolutely not, can a manual therapist fail a patient …definitely.

     

    KEY TAKEAWAYS
    It’s not a condition or diagnosis to say you’ve failed it’s a confusion between professions and treatment
    Professions use lots of different things to help with recovery. They are your teacher and guide to getting better
    The physiotherapy techniques that have been used haven’t been utilised effectively
    It’s not that the patient has failed it’s that the technique hasn’t worked at that time
    There are a myriad of different approaches and there has to be an individualised approach
    If a patient is given a label it can become part of their identity
    It’s a multitude of different things working that stack up to make recovery successful and it can take repetition trial and error to find the right combination.
    If a clinic is taking a ‘cookie cutter’ approach with the same treatment for every patient it’s a red flag
    Every therapist should talk with you to understand what the right approach is for you.

     

    BEST MOMENTS

    ‘It’s quite a shocking statement to read’

    ‘As humans, we all need different things to get to the end goal’

    ‘Different people with the same treatment will all have different outcomes because what works for one person may not work for another’

     

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    ABOUT THE HOSTS

    Dave Elliot

    Dave is the owner of Advanced Chiropractic, a chain of Chiropractic and massage therapy clinics in Essex, UK. Dave still sees patients during the week but has been working hard to talk to as many experts in the field of back pain as possible to help distil all the information and bring it to you in this awesome podcast. You can find Dave on any of the Advanced Chiropractic social media platforms, or you can contact him at hello@thebackpainpodcast.com if you have any questions for him.

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    Rob Beaven

    Rob owns and runs a multidisciplinary clinic, The Dyer St Clinic in Cirencester Gloucestershire. His team of Chiropractors, Physiotherapists, Osteopaths, Doctors and podiatrists all collaborate on thousands of back pain patients every year. Alongside Dave, he has worked hard to bring to the table experts across all industries to give you the low down on back pain, with steps you can implement today to start feeling better.

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    • 16 min
    My Sciatica Success Story

    My Sciatica Success Story

    Clare joins Rob and Dave and discusses her own journey of treatment and learning  around sciatica

    She explains how trial and error is a vital part of recovery and why mindset and belief play an important role in getting well.

    This is a journey that many will resonant with and Clare shares some key points that altered her thinking, impacted positively on her recovery and have led to success.

     

    KEY TAKEAWAYS
    My stoic attitude helped because it was a routine but battling through and just putting up with the pain was detrimental
    I’ve been the one who has made all the discoveries because nobody told me anything
    If you are changing how you think about things you are changing the neural pathways
    You have to have an open mind and consider everything
    I discovered my body didn’t move in the way it should do, years of pain had led to overcompensation and I was stuck in a vicious cycle of pain
    Exercise and movement are two of the most important things for pain
    My brain said to certain areas of my body don’t move because it will hurt creating internal fear avoidance
    I’m now tricking my brain to make myself  believe I’m well and healthy  and to calm my central nervous system
    We are all unique and individual and this is the same with the pain we experience
    Engaging people around you and helping them to understand will help you
    Everything matters when it comes to pain because of how it impacts
    People can get well; it is possible to recover but people need to understand that their pain is their responsibility

     

    BEST MOMENTS

    ‘It’s all been about me being curious and wanting to find out about my body’

    ‘When people keep telling you there is nothing wrong it makes you want to scream’

    ‘You have to try things, trial and error is a massive thing’

     

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    ABOUT THE HOSTS

    Dave Elliot

    Dave is the owner of Advanced Chiropractic, a chain of Chiropractic and massage therapy clinics in Essex, UK. Dave still sees patients during the week but has been working hard to talk to as many experts in the field of back pain as possible to help distil all the information and bring it to you in this awesome podcast. You can find Dave on any of the Advanced Chiropractic social media platforms, or you can contact him at hello@thebackpainpodcast.com if you have any questions for him.

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    Rob Beaven

    Rob owns and runs a multidisciplinary clinic, The Dyer St Clinic in Cirencester Gloucestershire. His team of Chiropractors, Physiotherapists, Osteopaths, Doctors and podiatrists all collaborate on thousands of back pain patients every year. Alongside Dave, he has worked hard to bring to the table experts across all industries to give you the low down on back pain, with steps you can implement today to start feeling better.

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    • 1 hr 10 min
    What Does Manual Therapy Do, What it Does not Do

    What Does Manual Therapy Do, What it Does not Do

    Rob and Dave talk with Chad about aspects of manual therapy techniques covering everything from massage through to joint based techniques.

    They discuss how manual therapies work as tools for the clinician with the mechanisms impacting both directly on the site and influencing the spinal cord and brain.

    If you believe it and want it bringing this together with the mechanisms of manual therapies can improve outcomes and this informative episode will help anyone understand better how and why manual therapies can be part of the  solution

     

    KEY TAKEAWAYS
    Manual therapy involves the skilled use of the hands to decrease pain and increase the range of movement
    It can be a range of different techniques
    Joint based techniques, soft tissue techniques and nerve based techniques all makeup manual therapy
    The techniques have mechanisms directly impacting the site and also influence the spinal cord and the brain.
    You need to find the right clinician; it should be someone you trust
    Manipulation frees up endorphins that are associated with pain relief
    Following manipulation, the feeling of well-being is recognised as being from the endorphins and influence the brain and how it controls pain modulation
    Contextual factors also play a role in improving patient outcomes
    If you believe it and want it and really think it’s going to work its likely to work
    It’s about matching the expectations of the patient and working together towards the goals
    Manual therapy is recommended and in conjunction with other treatments, it can aid recovery.
    Research indicates that massage results in a large dopamine release along with serotonin.

     

    BEST MOMENTS

    ‘Manual therapy is a lot of things and it has a bit of an identity crisis’

    ‘Shared decision making is finding a common joint belief that will help the patient’

    ‘As clinicians, we need to open the window of opportunity for manual therapies’

     

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    ABOUT THE HOSTS

    Dave Elliot

    Dave is the owner of Advanced Chiropractic, a chain of Chiropractic and massage therapy clinics in Essex, UK. Dave still sees patients during the week but has been working hard to talk to as many experts in the field of back pain as possible to help distil all the information and bring it to you in this awesome podcast. You can find Dave on any of the Advanced Chiropractic social media platforms, or you can contact him at hello@thebackpainpodcast.com if you have any questions for him.

    -Instagram

     

    Rob Beaven

    Rob owns and runs a multidisciplinary clinic, The Dyer St Clinic in Cirencester Gloucestershire. His team of Chiropractors, Physiotherapists, Osteopaths, Doctors and podiatrists all collaborate on thousands of back pain patients every year. Alongside Dave, he has worked hard to bring to the table experts across all industries to give you the low down on back pain, with steps you can implement today to start feeling better.

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    • 47 min
    What Difference Does Posture Make for Back Pain

    What Difference Does Posture Make for Back Pain

    Dave goes solo in this episode and discusses the long-held and widely shared idea that

    your back pain, neck pain, headaches, hip pain whatever it is have been caused by your posture.

    He delves into the question around what is and isn’t ‘good’ posture and looks at when posture plays a role and when it doesn’t.

    Listen in to find out exactly how your posture affects your pain and what you can effectively do to help your pain.

     

    KEY TAKEAWAYS
    The research says sitting up straight isn’t correlated with less back pain
    People who slouch are less likely to have back pain than those who are trying to sit up straight
    Posture is only significant when you are not able to change the position you are in when your position is fixed
    It’s the inability to move out of a fixed position that is likely to cause pain
    There is no evidence of a particular posture causing pain
    Posture is a lot about conforming to society norms
    Your body is designed to move so let it move
    If it is within your body’s pain-free movement let your body do its thing
    Your posture does not correlate with pain in the future
    The best advice for back pain is to move
    In the short term, position might be important but posture has been proven to not be the cause of pain.

     

    BEST MOMENTS

    ‘Your posture is reflective of a particular moment in time’

    ‘Your position is not dependant on your pain outcome’

    ‘At some point, your posture may have been blamed for your pain’

     

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    Dave Elliot

    Dave is the owner of Advanced Chiropractic, a chain of Chiropractic and massage therapy clinics in Essex, UK. Dave still sees patients during the week but has been working hard to talk to as many experts in the field of back pain as possible to help distil all the information and bring it to you in this awesome podcast. You can find Dave on any of the Advanced Chiropractic social media platforms, or you can contact him at hello@thebackpainpodcast.com if you have any questions for him.

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    Rob Beaven

    Rob owns and runs a multidisciplinary clinic, The Dyer St Clinic in Cirencester Gloucestershire. His team of Chiropractors, Physiotherapists, Osteopaths, Doctors and podiatrists all collaborate on thousands of back pain patients every year. Alongside Dave, he has worked hard to bring to the table experts across all industries to give you the low down on back pain, with steps you can implement today to start feeling better.

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    • 12 min
    Ask Me Anything

    Ask Me Anything

    This is the first of the ‘Ask Me Anything’ episodes and includes great questions from listeners covering diverse aspects around the subject of back pain.

    Hear about red flags and how your clinician is trained to consider what the signs may be indicating whether you should be requesting a scan or surgical referral and what to do if your exercise is causing pain.

    This is an episode packed with actionable content that is clear and concise helping anyone who is suffering from back pain understand more.

     

    KEY TAKEAWAYS
    If a particular intervention isn’t harmful and gives you benefit even though the evidence says it doesn’t work you could continue to use it.
    We started this podcast because we love chatting about backpain and sharing information along with busting some myths.
    We wanted patients to be able to take the information and act on it
    A red flag is when something raises the index of suspicion
    It may require further investigation, a referral, deeper questioning
    Clinicians are trained to go down the rabbit holes and consider what the signs are indicating
    Scans are often used to rule out things
    Being  referred to a surgeon doesn’t mean the outcome will be surgery
    Interventions are dependent on the individual patient
    Pain from exercise should be kept low, the exercise shouldn’t be causing pain or a flareup afterwards
    Sometimes exercise can change the pain and if repeated movements result in a positive change to the pain then you should be doing it
    A partner can help if you explain what you can or can’t do, it’s about good communication
    The Stand Up App is great for reminding you to keep moving throughout the day
    The Headspace App is a great App helping with mindfulness and meditation

     

    BEST MOMENTS

    ‘We break down what is a hugely complex subject into more realistic language’

    ‘For my own learning the podcast,  it’s been invaluable

    ‘Talk, talk, talk it’s so vital’

     

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    ABOUT THE HOSTS

    Dave Elliot

    Dave is the owner of Advanced Chiropractic, a chain of Chiropractic and massage therapy clinics in Essex, UK. Dave still sees patients during the week but has been working hard to talk to as many experts in the field of back pain as possible to help distil all the information and bring it to you in this awesome podcast. You can find Dave on any of the Advanced Chiropractic social media platforms, or you can contact him at hello@thebackpainpodcast.com if you have any questions for him.

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    Rob Beaven

    Rob owns and runs a multidisciplinary clinic, The Dyer St Clinic in Cirencester Gloucestershire. His team of Chiropractors, Physiotherapists, Osteopaths, Doctors and podiatrists all collaborate on thousands of back pain patients every year. Alongside Dave, he has worked hard to bring to the table experts across all industries to give you the low down on back pain, with steps you can implement today to start feeling better.

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    • 25 min
    What Questions to Ask Your Back Pain Expert

    What Questions to Ask Your Back Pain Expert

    Previously Rob and Dave have shared great content on how to prepare yourself before visiting a professional such as a physiotherapist or chiropractor and this week it’s all about what questions you should be asking when you are in the consulting room with your clinician.

    This is about getting the most from your consultation so that you can be involved in your recovery and have the tools to manage your pain and recovery outside of the consulting room.

     

    KEY TAKEAWAYS
    Write down your questions before you go to your consultation, questions are an important part of your consultation.
    Asking your therapist what you can do to manage your pain is vital, you need tools that you can use when you are at home
    The clinician will explain why or why not you need a scan at a particular point. There has to be particular reasoning around having a scan
    The practitioner goes through a mental probability calculator when they are reviewing your history
    When you ask what’s happening you are asking to be let in and involved in your recovery
    If you open up to your practitioner then you can work together in partnership with them towards your successful recovery.
    Make sure you ask about what you should look out for to indicate things are becoming more serious
    At the end of a session, the professional should provide a summary so that you leave knowing what you need to do.
    Don’t take home any misbeliefs or misunderstandings

     

    BEST MOMENTS

    ‘All clinicians are trained to assess whether you need a scan’

    ‘Knowing what it isn’t, is as important as knowing what it is’

    ‘As a practitioner, I love explaining to people what I’m doing’

     

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    ABOUT THE HOSTS

    Dave Elliot

    Dave is the owner of Advanced Chiropractic, a chain of Chiropractic and massage therapy clinics in Essex, UK. Dave still sees patients during the week but has been working hard to talk to as many experts in the field of back pain as possible to help distil all the information and bring it to you in this awesome podcast. You can find Dave on any of the Advanced Chiropractic social media platforms, or you can contact him at hello@thebackpainpodcast.com if you have any questions for him.

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    Rob Beaven

    Rob owns and runs a multidisciplinary clinic, The Dyer St Clinic in Cirencester Gloucestershire. His team of Chiropractors, Physiotherapists, Osteopaths, Doctors and podiatrists all collaborate on thousands of back pain patients every year. Alongside Dave, he has worked hard to bring to the table experts across all industries to give you the low down on back pain, with steps you can implement today to start feeling better.

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    • 22 min

Customer Reviews

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104 Ratings

Er2114G ,

Brilliant!

A brilliant podcast filled with so many nuggets of information useful for clinicians and patients alike. Top stuff!

Junkie listener ,

Wonderful episode

What an incredibly informative episode. Thank you so much Dr Ravindran - supporting lots of my thoughts and giving me a wealth of things to further research

UK resident alien ,

Hope

Thank you for your podcast. Tears rolled down my face as I listened to your episode on Sciatica.
I want to move on from sciatic pain (an osteopath thinks I have a L5 herniated disc).
I am doing what physio has RX ( sciatic nerve glide and piriformus stretch hurt but the other three exercises, knees side to side, alternating lifting my knees while laying down, spinx Mackenzie stretch are good) trying different medications (not finding much relief), and tracking progress. Alternating ice and heat during the day and repositioning myself, moving, at least hourly. Getting comfortable is a challenge. The pain is ever present.
My husband said I walk like Frankenstein but I keep trying to increase the amount of time I can walk and try to walk normally. I can walk two sets of 10 minutes now. I use hypnosis, body scan and mindfulness to fall asleep and to help me fall back asleep in the middle of the night.
Positives:
I can sit on the toilet without being in agony, sitting at the table to eat dinner, sitting up longer, walking further and alternating gait up and downstairs whilst relying on handrail. Just over four weeks in now and want to get back to normal as, the pain is exhausting.
I can work from home due to covid (only 2/8 children in my class are in school) but schools are opening again soon and I want to get back into school once all my class return. I work with adolescent age children with severe and complex special needs and it’s a highly physical, engaging and dynamic job.
So thankful I found your podcast as your conversation has given me hope.

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