The IT Experts Podcast

Ian Luckett - The MSP Growth Hub
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The IT Experts Podcast

The IT Experts Podcast with Ian Luckett, is designed to help ambitious IT/MSP business owners build a profitable tech business. In this show you will learn the complete tried and tested strategies that are working today as Ian helps techie business owners in the IT / MSP community on a daily basis. The content of this Podcast is a blend of expert advice and Interviews with some of the most successful people in the industry, offering massive value and a wise range of topics from his MSP profit Builder System. Whether his guests are experts from large enterprises, established IT/MSP businesses, serial entrepreneurs, or world class techies, they all have great stories and content to share. So, if you are preparing your IT/MSP business for growth, then we will help by sharing what IS and what ISN'T working in business right now. Our outcome for you listening to this podcast is that we help you to spend quality time working ON your business rather than being consumed IN it!

  1. 1 DAY AGO

    EP212 - A 2024 Podcast Year in Review with Ian Luckett & Stuart Warwick

    It’s been a busy year for Stuart and me, and we kick off the episode with some festive banter, steering clear of any Mariah Carey renditions—thankfully! Stuart reflects on how much we’ve achieved and the importance of this reflective time of year. Together, we unpack what made these five episodes so impactful and why they’ve captured the attention of our audience.  Coming in at number five, we discuss Episode 168 with the brilliant Claire Jenks, titled “So You Think You're Busy? How to Get Out of Overwhelm and Get Out of Your Own Way.” This episode tackled time management, productivity, and overcoming imposter syndrome—common themes that MSPs wrestle with daily. Stuart reminds us that time is finite, and how we choose to use it determines our success. He emphasises the power of saying “no” to less important demands to focus on what truly matters. As MSP leaders, finding time to prioritise and plan can transform the way we work, and this episode served as a timely reminder of how to do just that.  At number four, we revisit Episode 184 with Jay McBain, “The Future of Running Your MSP in an AI World.” AI dominated headlines this year, and this episode provided much-needed clarity on its practical application for MSPs. Stuart and I agree that while AI is exciting, the focus should remain on operational efficiency. It’s not about chasing shiny objects but ensuring that existing tools and systems are fully utilised to deliver results. Jay’s message that AI will augment—not replace—good old-fashioned SOPs resonated with many. The key takeaway? Use AI as a supercharger, not a distraction, and lean on your vendors to guide adoption in a meaningful way.  In third place is one of our early Ask Stuart episodes, Episode 143, “How to Get More Out of My Team.” This topic is close to the heart of every MSP owner who understands that their team is often the most significant investment in their business. Stuart reflects on how leadership, accountability, and communication are pivotal to maximising team potential. From the importance of defining your “Pied Piper tune” to creating a culture that aligns with your mission and values, this episode packed in valuable advice for improving team dynamics and achieving better results. It’s no wonder it’s one of the year’s favourites.  At number two, we revisit Episode 147 with Mark Copeman from Wingman, “How to Get the Best Out of the MSP Global Event.” While this episode centred around preparing for events, it struck a deeper chord about the value of connection and learning. Stuart and I discussed the importance of defining success before attending any event, focusing on the right conversations and relationships to achieve meaningful outcomes. For many MSPs, getting out of their day-to-day bubble and engaging with peers and vendors at events is transformative. This episode captured that essence perfectly, and the feedback from listeners was phenomenal.  Finally, at the top spot, we celebrate Episode 144 with Julie Hutchinson, “The Art of Having a Difficult Conversation.” This episode was a runaway success, receiving ten times the downloads of our second-place podcast. Julie’s expertise in guiding leaders through difficult conversations resonated deeply with our audience. Stuart highlights how avoiding difficult discussions only compounds problems, while Julie’s frameworks provide a clear, structured way to address challenges positively. This episode wasn’t just about managing tough topics; it reframed these conversations as opportunities to strengthen teams and drive results. It’s no surprise it captured the hearts of so many listeners.  As Stuart and I reflect on 2024, we’re immensely proud of what we’ve achieved. Helping over 50 MSPs this year has been a highlight, and we’ve streamlined our own processes to deliver even more value to our clients. From enhancing our accountability systems to evolving our maturity score framework, everything we’ve done this year has been driven by one mission: helping MSPs scale to £1 million and beyond while enjoying more time, profit, and freedom.  We’ve also launched the Future Leaders Programme, empowering our clients to take their businesses to the next level. It’s been amazing to witness the confidence and transformation within our community. The energy, the success stories, and the feedback have been nothing short of inspiring.  As we sign off, Stuart and I want to thank you, our incredible listeners, for your support this year. Whether you’ve tuned in for tips, strategies, or just a bit of inspiration, we’re grateful to have you on this journey. 2025 is set to be even bigger and better, and we can’t wait to share what’s coming next. For now, have a very Merry Christmas, enjoy the time with your families, and we’ll see you in the New Year, ready to hit the ground running. Cheers!  Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK  And when you’re ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you’ll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads.  OR   To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE  Until next time, look after yourself and I’ll catch up with you soon!

    26 min

  2. 13 DEC

    EP211 - Why People Don’t Take Action When They Should with Julie Hutchison & Ian Luckett

    Julie Hutchison kicks off by addressing what many of us know as "imposter syndrome," though she’s quick to debunk the term. It’s not a syndrome, she explains; you’re not broken. Instead, it’s a very human response that stems from our brain’s primitive mechanisms for survival. Drawing on the analogy of a caveman running from a lion, Julie highlights how our amygdala – a small but powerful part of our brain – is constantly scanning for threats. While this helped keep our ancestors alive, today it manifests in ways that can hold us back, like procrastination, perfectionism, or a fear of failure.  Julie Hutchison explains that imposter syndrome tends to rear its head in situations where the challenge is high, and the support is low. This dynamic creates a fertile ground for self-doubt, fear, and inaction. Whether it’s a business owner hesitating to approach a big client, or someone avoiding a difficult team conversation, the root cause is often the same: the brain perceives these situations as threats, triggering a fight, flight, or freeze response. Julie encourages listeners to normalise these feelings. After all, over 70% of people report experiencing imposter syndrome at some point. Acknowledging that this is a universal human experience can be a huge relief and a powerful first step towards overcoming it.  A key takeaway from this episode is the importance of support. Julie Hutchison emphasises that when faced with high challenges, increasing your support levels can make a world of difference. This could mean reaching out to peers, joining a community, or even just having an honest conversation with a trusted mentor. Normalising these challenges within a supportive environment helps to calm the nervous system, shifting us out of panic mode and into a space where we can think and act more clearly. In fact, Julie points out that simply talking about our fears can reduce their intensity and make them feel more manageable.  One standout moment in the episode is Julie Hutchison’s advice on calming our biology. When we’re stuck in inaction, it’s often because our bodies are in a heightened state of stress. Julie suggests simple techniques like shaking out your energy, taking a deep breath, or even having a laugh with others to bring your nervous system back to a place of calm. From there, you’re in a much better position to tackle the challenge at hand.  We also touch on how limiting beliefs, often formed during childhood, can contribute to feelings of inadequacy or self-doubt. Whether it’s something a teacher, parent, or peer once said, these beliefs can lodge in our subconscious and shape the way we view ourselves and our capabilities. Julie encourages listeners to challenge these outdated beliefs and replace them with a more objective, empowered perspective. The goal isn’t to ignore the challenge but to balance it with the right level of support and self-awareness.  One of the most inspiring parts of this episode is when we discuss the power of peer groups. I share a story from a recent MSP Growth Hub meeting, where one business owner openly admitted feeling out of control. What followed was a roomful of peers offering support, sharing their own experiences, and ultimately normalising what could have felt like a solitary struggle. Julie Hutchison highlights how valuable these communities can be, providing not only practical guidance but also the emotional reassurance that you’re not alone.  For those who might be tackling challenges solo, Julie suggests starting by increasing your own support structures. Whether that’s tapping into resources like AI tools (yes, even ChatGPT!), joining a network of like-minded professionals, or seeking advice from a coach, the key is to avoid isolating yourself. High challenges don’t have to be faced with low support.  To wrap up, Julie Hutchison leaves us with an important reminder: you are not alone and feeling stuck or unsure is not a sign of failure. It’s a sign of being human. By acknowledging your feelings, seeking support, and taking small steps forward, you can start to overcome the barriers that hold you back. As always, the MSP Growth Hub is here to help you through these challenges, with resources, coaching, and a supportive community ready to assist.  Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK  And when you’re ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you’ll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads.  OR   To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE  Until next time, look after yourself and I’ll catch up with you soon!

    31 min

  3. 6 DEC

    EP210 – How to Close Deals by Solving Problems with Mark Lambert & Ian Luckett

    Mark Lambert shared practical insights into why selling the tech alone won’t cut it in today’s market. Instead, he stresses the importance of focusing on outcomes that matter to your prospects, such as improving productivity, enhancing security, and solving tangible business challenges. As Mark explains, clients don’t care whether you’re using Office 365 or the latest security stack; they care about how you’ll help their business thrive. This shift from a tech-focused to a problem-solving mindset is critical for any MSP aiming to scale sustainably.  We also discussed the right time for MSPs to invest in a dedicated sales function. For businesses under £1 million, Mark emphasised leveraging low-hanging fruit within existing accounts by deepening relationships and improving client retention. However, once an MSP is on the path to £5 million, building a dedicated sales strategy becomes a priority. This includes hiring the right salespeople, integrating them into the business culture, and aligning them with your values and goals. Mark highlighted the dangers of hiring a salesperson too early or without the proper alignment, which can lead to short-sighted sales tactics that undermine long-term client relationships.  One of the key takeaways from Mark Lambert’s approach is the concept of consultative selling, which he believes should permeate the entire MSP—not just the sales team. Consultative selling is about deeply understanding your prospects and clients, their challenges, and their goals. Mark stressed that this isn’t the job of one person; it’s a company-wide mindset. Whether it’s your service desk collecting insights from clients, your marketing team creating educational content, or your leadership team championing values, everyone plays a role in creating a culture of trust and value-driven relationships.  Mark and I explored the challenges of navigating cold outreach in a world where traditional methods like direct LinkedIn messages often fall flat. Instead, Mark advocates for a more tailored and personal approach. By leading with value—perhaps highlighting a productivity gap or a security concern specific to the prospect’s business—you can initiate meaningful conversations without resorting to salesy tactics. Mark shared that while cold outreach still has its place, it’s most effective when backed by thoughtful preparation and a clear understanding of the client’s needs.  Another golden nugget from this conversation was the importance of discovery in the sales process. Mark stressed that a thorough discovery process helps uncover the true pain points of a business and builds trust along the way. He shared how asking the right questions—and going deeper when needed—can identify not only the problems but also the urgency behind them. This positions you as a trusted advisor rather than just another salesperson. Mark’s advice: don’t be afraid to ask questions and listen actively to uncover the core challenges holding businesses back.  One of the most memorable moments of the episode was Mark Lambert’s reminder to always create urgency without applying pressure. It’s about helping prospects see the value and importance of solving their challenges sooner rather than later. By presenting yourself as a problem-solver, you’ll naturally guide the conversation to a point where prospects ask, “Is this something you can help me with?”—a clear invitation to close the deal.  Mark’s practical tips and insights were incredibly valuable, and his perspective on embedding a consultative selling approach across the whole MSP is a game-changer. If you’re serious about scaling your MSP, this episode is packed with actionable advice to help you move forward.  Before you go, don’t forget to check out another related episode, EP174 - Ask Stuart #12 - Why You Don’t Need a Salesperson Now… Or Ever with Ian Luckett & Stuart Warwick. It’s a brilliant companion piece to today’s conversation, exploring how MSPs can maximise their sales efforts even without a dedicated salesperson in the early stages.  To continue the conversation with Mark Lambert or chat with him on how to get started closing deals by solving problems, book a slot directly on his calendar by clicking HERE.  You can also connect with Mark Lambert on LinkedIn, simply click HERE.  Or you can also check out his website HERE.  Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK  And when you’re ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you’ll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads.  OR   To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE  Until next time, look after yourself and I’ll catch up with you soon!

    31 min

  4. 29 NOV

    EP209 – How to Create Scroll Stopping Content with Nigel Moore from the Tech Tribe & Ian Luckett

    One of the key takeaways from this conversation is understanding why MSPs find content creation so difficult in the first place. Nigel pointed out that many MSP owners are simply stretched too thin. Whether they’re managing cybersecurity threats, fielding client calls, or running the day-to-day operations of their business, creating content often falls to the bottom of the priority list. Add to that the natural tendency for MSP owners—many of whom identify as introverted “techies”—to shy away from putting themselves out there, and it’s no wonder content creation can feel like an insurmountable task. Nigel empathised deeply, drawing on his own experience as a former MSP owner, but he also stressed that getting started is more achievable than it seems.  So, how do MSPs overcome these hurdles and start producing content that truly makes an impact? Nigel suggests starting simple. He advises listening to your help desk and turning the common questions your clients ask into marketing assets. This is a practical, easy-to-implement approach inspired by Marcus Sheridan’s book, They Ask, You Answer. For example, if a client frequently inquires about password security, why not create a quick video or a short guide to address that issue? Not only does this save time by providing a reusable resource, but it also positions you as a helpful authority in your clients' eyes.  Nigel and I also explored the formats of content that are working particularly well for MSPs right now. While long-form pieces like white papers may still have their place, the reality is that most audiences have shorter attention spans these days. Short, engaging videos are proving to be highly effective, as are simple guides, checklists, and infographics. Nigel highlighted cybersecurity guides and onboarding checklists as examples of content that resonate strongly with prospects. These pieces don’t have to be elaborate; a well-designed 5- to 8-page document or a quick video filmed on your phone can do the trick. The key is providing value and addressing real pain points your audience faces.  Another gem Nigel shared is the power of personalisation. Tailoring your content to specific niches or verticals can make it far more effective. Whether you’re working with architects, legal firms, or small businesses, speaking directly to their unique challenges will make your message stand out. For example, an email campaign targeting architects might highlight how to streamline project management through IT solutions, whereas content for legal firms might focus on cybersecurity and client confidentiality. By addressing the specific needs of your audience, you create a sense of connection and trust, which can be pivotal in converting prospects into clients.  We also discussed the importance of consistency. Nigel acknowledged that for busy MSP owners, maintaining a regular flow of content can feel impossible. His solution? Delegate. Hiring a part-time marketing intern or leveraging content platforms like the Tech Tribe can take the pressure off your shoulders. The Tech Tribe, in particular, offers MSP-specific resources such as social media posts, blogs, and newsletters that you can customise and deploy quickly. Nigel emphasised the importance of getting from “zero to one”—just starting with one consistent piece of content, whether that’s a weekly blog, a LinkedIn post, or a video, and building from there.  One of my favourite insights from this conversation was Nigel’s perspective on educating prospects during the sales process. He encourages MSPs to create tools like buyer’s guides that help prospects understand what good and bad IT service looks like. These educational assets not only build trust but also position you as an authority in your field. By guiding prospects through their decision-making process without the hard sell, you differentiate yourself from competitors and create lasting impressions.  Ultimately, cr

    27 min

  5. 22 NOV

    EP208 – Are You Self-Sabotaging? with Teresa Heath-Wareing & Ian Luckett

    Teresa Heath-Wareing introduces us to a crucial understanding of how self-sabotage works, explaining that many of us fall into patterns that keep us comfortable but ultimately hinder our growth. Self-sabotaging behaviours often stem from a place of fear—whether it's fear of failure, fear of judgment, or even fear of success. When we’re stepping into new or uncomfortable situations, our brain can see these as potential threats, activating a “protection mode” that drives us back to our comfort zones. Teresa highlights that self-sabotage isn’t about laziness or lack of ambition; rather, it’s our mind trying to keep us safe. Yet, as she reminds us, that “safe” place can end up stalling our growth and keeping us from the breakthroughs we’re capable of achieving.  One of Teresa’s key insights is the importance of consistency and authenticity in breaking self-sabotaging habits. She speaks to the value of building a visible, authentic presence online—not just for marketing but as a powerful way to establish trust and connection with clients and prospects. Teresa believes that when MSP owners are authentic and consistent in their online presence, they build a network of trust that lays the groundwork for stronger, long-lasting business relationships. This trust allows clients and prospects to get to know you before they’ve even spoken with you, something that is increasingly important as research shows that most of the buying decision is made before a client even contacts you.  During our conversation, we touched on how self-sabotaging can be particularly sneaky for MSPs, who often prioritise solving technical issues over working on the strategic growth of their business. Teresa explains that this can lead to avoidance of challenging, but necessary, steps like sales and marketing, often because these tasks push us outside our comfort zone. She shares a critical tip: look for patterns. Self-sabotage can manifest as procrastination, indecision, or distractions, and recognising these patterns is the first step to breaking free from them. Teresa recommends slowing down and questioning why we might be resisting certain tasks or decisions. Are we avoiding an uncomfortable feeling or fear of failure? By reflecting on this, we can start identifying the root of our self-sabotage.  Teresa also emphasises the need for incremental changes—what she calls “1% shifts”—to overcome self-sabotaging tendencies. Rather than attempting drastic transformations, Teresa suggests that small, manageable changes can build confidence and create sustainable progress over time. This incremental approach helps build integrity with ourselves, proving that you can follow through on your commitments. These “1% shifts” allow you to step outside your comfort zone slowly, creating new neural pathways that make it easier to tackle bigger challenges in the future. For example, if an MSP owner is hesitant to start marketing themselves online, they could start by making one small post per week. Over time, these small efforts add up, gradually building confidence and consistency.  One of the standout lessons from Teresa is the importance of understanding the ego’s role in self-sabotage. Ego can prevent us from asking for help, acknowledging when we’re stuck, or admitting that we don’t have all the answers. Teresa shares that many business owners may avoid seeking help or taking advice because their ego convinces them that they have everything under control, even when they could benefit from guidance. She encourages MSP owners to step away from this mindset, embrace vulnerability, and take advantage of the collaborative and supportive nature of the MSP community, which thrives on shared knowledge and experiences.  The practical framework that Teresa Heath-Wareing shares in this episode provides MSP owners with tools to identify and address self-sabotaging behaviours. From recognising patterns to making 1% shi

    37 min

  6. 15 NOV

    EP207 – Why You Need Dark Web Monitoring in Your MSP with Tony Capewell & Ian Luckett

    We kicked off with a straightforward explanation of what the dark web actually is. Tony clarified the distinctions between the open web (the visible internet we all use daily), the deep web (pages that aren’t indexed by search engines and require authentication, like online banking portals), and the dark web. The dark web is a hidden section of the internet that’s intentionally obscured and often requires specific software, like Tor, to access. While it’s not exclusively for criminal activity, the dark web is a hub for illegal activities, data trading, and stolen information—everything from personal credentials to corporate data can be bought and sold there.  Tony shared why MSPs should be particularly concerned about dark web monitoring. He emphasised that most MSP clients don’t realise just how vulnerable their data is or how easily it can end up on the dark web after a breach. He recounted how MSP Dark Web was born out of frustration with other vendors and security tools, which weren’t doing enough to protect his clients. Now, his platform allows MSPs to monitor their customers’ domains and personal emails to detect stolen credentials and alert clients before damage is done. With Tony’s dark web monitoring service, MSPs can see if sensitive client information is being circulated on the dark web and act quickly to advise their clients on securing or updating their credentials.  One of the core themes we discussed was how to present this information to clients. For many business owners, technical jargon about dark web monitoring or data breaches goes over their heads. Tony shared that MSP Dark Web provides a comprehensive marketing toolkit for MSPs, which includes email templates, leaflets, and other resources to help MSPs communicate the importance of dark web monitoring in a simple, understandable way. This helps MSPs position dark web monitoring as a proactive, essential service that can protect businesses from potential cyber threats.  During our chat, Tony highlighted a sobering statistic: his database contains 149 billion emails and 88 billion passwords from data breaches worldwide, and this number grows every day as new breaches occur. His platform also tracks “session cookie data”—which can allow attackers to access accounts even if two-factor authentication (2FA) is enabled. This was a real eye-opener, and Tony advised listeners to avoid the “remember me” option on websites and to regularly clear their browser’s cache and cookies. These steps may seem small, but they can make a big difference in protecting your information from dark web exposure.  Another crucial point Tony shared is the importance of educating clients about the risks associated with reusing passwords. If a password is stolen from one site and a client uses that same password elsewhere, cybercriminals can potentially access multiple accounts. Dark web monitoring allows MSPs to detect compromised credentials in time for clients to change their passwords, rendering the stolen data useless.  We also delved into the misconceptions around cybersecurity stacks, particularly the tendency of MSPs to “stack fiddle,” as Paul Green has called it. This occurs when MSPs add endless layers of security tools without a cohesive strategy. Dark web monitoring doesn’t necessarily overlap with other cybersecurity measures in an MSPs stack; it complements them by focusing on external threats. Rather than just looking at data within a business, dark web monitoring looks outward, alerting MSPs to information that might have been exposed in breaches they wouldn’t otherwise be able to track.  Towards the end of the episode, Tony emphasised the growing importance of dark web monitoring for everyone—not just those with large bank accounts. Cybercriminals don’t just target wealthy individuals; anyone can become a victim. For instance, attackers can exploit simple pieces of personal information, like a prefer

    24 min

  7. 8 NOV

    EP206 – How to Recruit for Free with Josh Wood & Ian Luckett

    Our conversation opens with Josh explaining why so many MSPs find recruitment such a challenging task. He points out that MSPs often carry a reputation for intense, fast-paced environments that might deter potential candidates who are looking for a better work-life balance. This, coupled with the industry's persistent skills shortage, makes recruitment even more complex for MSPs. Josh goes on to share insights on what MSPs can do to tackle these obstacles head-on, starting with how they present themselves to potential recruits. He notes that recruitment in many ways mirrors marketing, as it requires MSPs to sell not only the role but also their culture and work environment. An effective job advert, according to Josh, is not merely a list of required skills; it’s an opportunity to communicate the unique qualities of your MSP and why it’s a great place to work. This simple but often overlooked detail can make all the difference in attracting the right candidates, especially if you can convey the potential for career progression and the supportive, dynamic atmosphere within your MSP.  A significant part of the discussion centres around the value of using free advertising options effectively. Job boards like Indeed and Glassdoor can be valuable resources, but Josh cautions against simply copying and pasting job descriptions without thought. He advises MSPs to craft engaging, well-written adverts that highlight what’s appealing about working for their business, from the types of clients they work with to the opportunities for professional growth within the MSP. To avoid being swamped by unqualified applicants, Josh suggests using screening questions on job boards that encourage candidates to provide more than a yes-or-no response, allowing you to quickly gauge their enthusiasm and suitability for the role.  We also explore the benefits of using your website and social media as free recruitment tools. Josh points out that MSPs often overlook the value of advertising open roles directly on their website, which not only attracts candidates but also demonstrates to clients that the MSP is growing and investing in its future. Additionally, Josh emphasises the importance of using social media platforms like LinkedIn to showcase your MSP’s culture. Posting about company events, employee achievements, and team-building activities provides potential candidates with a glimpse into life at your MSP and can be a powerful way to attract people who align with your company values. LinkedIn, originally created as a recruitment platform, remains a crucial space for MSPs to build their brand and engage with potential recruits.  Once candidates start applying, having a structured interview process becomes essential. Josh and I agree that a structured interview ensures consistency and makes it easier to assess candidates against the skills and qualities you need. Josh advises having a well-defined process that includes a mix of technical and aptitude-based questions to help you understand the candidate’s diagnostic skills and approach to problem-solving, which are crucial for roles in MSPs. Another helpful tip is to ask candidates about their proudest achievements and challenges they’ve faced, as this can reveal how they may perform under the demands of an MSP environment. As Josh explains, the goal is not to trip candidates up but rather to understand their strengths and gauge whether they’d thrive in the role.  As we discuss interview techniques, we touch on the importance of selling your MSP to the candidate during the interview. In today’s competitive market, candidates are evaluating potential employers just as much as they are being evaluated themselves. By sharing your MSP’s vision, the benefits of working with your team, and how you support employee growth, you leave candidates with a positive impression and a better sense of what your MSP can offer them in the long run. This episode provides several steps

    29 min

  8. 1 NOV

    EP205 - Understanding Neurodiversity in the Workplace with Gabriel Herman & Ian Luckett

    Gabriel Herman explained that neurodiversity encompasses various conditions, including autism, ADHD, dyslexia, and dyscalculia, each with its unique challenges and strengths. He emphasised that autism itself presents a particularly unique challenge, as many autistic individuals may struggle to articulate their needs due to the very nature of their condition. As a result, identifying reasonable adjustments in the workplace can be difficult, making it crucial for employers to proactively develop an autism-friendly culture. Gabriel pointed out that autistic people often possess exceptional skills in specific areas, making them valuable assets when they are placed in the right roles. He encouraged employers to focus on these strengths and provide the necessary support to help autistic employees thrive.  A key takeaway from our discussion was that reasonable adjustments in the workplace are often simple but highly effective. Gabriel highlighted examples such as offering job interview questions in advance, allowing noise-cancelling headphones, and considering the impact of lighting and sensory environments on employees. He also mentioned the importance of flexibility around social interactions, like onboarding events or team activities, which can sometimes be overwhelming for neurodiverse individuals. The broader message here is that what works for autistic employees often improves the workplace for everyone, whether through clearer communication, more structured processes, or enhanced accessibility.  Gabriel Herman shared some stories that illustrate the everyday challenges autistic individuals face, especially when navigating job interviews. From the unpredictability of public transport to the anxiety-inducing dynamics of an unfamiliar office environment, his stories underscored the importance of empathy and understanding from employers. Gabriel emphasised that creating a truly inclusive workplace starts by openly communicating that the organisation is autism friendly. He shared an example of a top accountancy firm that had a well-designed recruitment process but failed to advertise that they were autism friendly. Gabriel stressed that simply stating this commitment can make a world of difference in encouraging autistic individuals to apply.  We also explored the broader cultural implications of neurodiversity in the IT sector. Gabriel pointed out that the IT channel often attracts individuals with neurodiverse traits due to the sector’s technical and detail-oriented nature. While this can be a strength, he noted that MSPs must remain aware of the potential challenges that come with managing a neurodiverse workforce. Leadership self-awareness is critical here—managers need to be able to identify potential signs of autism and other neurodiverse conditions in their teams, even if employees have not disclosed a diagnosis. Gabriel made an excellent point: many autistic individuals may not know they are autistic or may be unable to secure a formal diagnosis. This means that a culture of openness and proactive support is essential.  Throughout our conversation, Gabriel Herman offered valuable advice for MSP leaders on fostering a more inclusive culture. He suggested starting with an autism awareness event to kickstart the conversation within the organisation. This approach ensures that everyone is educated on the topic, making it easier to implement practical changes. Gabriel also emphasised that being open about the company’s autism-friendly practices should extend beyond employees to clients, as many of them may also have neurodiverse needs or family members with neurodiverse conditions.  In closing, Gabriel Herman urged MSPs to see neurodiversity not as a challenge to be managed but as an opportunity to innovate and enhance business performance. He firmly believes that third-way thinking—derived from integrating diverse perspectives—can be a significant driver of creativity and growth. As we wrap

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The IT Experts Podcast with Ian Luckett, is designed to help ambitious IT/MSP business owners build a profitable tech business. In this show you will learn the complete tried and tested strategies that are working today as Ian helps techie business owners in the IT / MSP community on a daily basis. The content of this Podcast is a blend of expert advice and Interviews with some of the most successful people in the industry, offering massive value and a wise range of topics from his MSP profit Builder System. Whether his guests are experts from large enterprises, established IT/MSP businesses, serial entrepreneurs, or world class techies, they all have great stories and content to share. So, if you are preparing your IT/MSP business for growth, then we will help by sharing what IS and what ISN'T working in business right now. Our outcome for you listening to this podcast is that we help you to spend quality time working ON your business rather than being consumed IN it!

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    Ian Luckett - The MSP Growth Hub
  • Years Active
    2019 - 2024
  • Episodes
    98
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