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What are the significant innovations shaping the future of learning? How is digital technology and scientific discovery changing the way we learn, train, teach and educate? Join John Helmer in conversation with the people who are visioning and actively creating that future. Published fortnightly (don't forget to subscribe!).

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What are the significant innovations shaping the future of learning? How is digital technology and scientific discovery changing the way we learn, train, teach and educate? Join John Helmer in conversation with the people who are visioning and actively creating that future. Published fortnightly (don't forget to subscribe!).

    A Brief History of Learning Systems with Donald Clark

    A Brief History of Learning Systems with Donald Clark

    'People imagine that technology's a recent thing in learning, [but] it's always been there.' From its earliest beginnings in cave paintings to today's AI-driven learning systems with interfaces influenced by consumer technology, Donald Clark tells the colourful story of learning technologies in conversation with John Helmer.
     
    Donald has been an important part of that history himself. Growing up in the housing schemes of Livingston, Scotland, Donald studied Philosophy at Edinburgh University and Dartmouth College USA, where he first encountered artificial intelligence. Co-founder and CEO of Epic Group plc, which established itself as the leading elearning company in the UK, sold in 2005, he is now CEO of Wildfire, visiting professor to the University of Derby and sits on numerous boards including those of the University for Industry, City & Guilds, Cogbooks Ltd and, LearningPool.
     
     


    03:36 What were the roots of his fascination with learntech
    06:21 The prehistory of learning technologies
    09:21 The computer age
    14:10 How did tech and theory affect design in the 90s?
    17:23 Dawn of the internet era
    23:06 The LMS arrives
    25:59 Learning goes mobile
    29:07 Consumer technology drives learner technology
    31:34 Designing for the learner (not the administrator!)
    37:43 Important drivers for the future of learning tech
    43:46 Is the future of learning tech convergent or divergent?


     
    Mentioned in the discussion:
    Electronic Performance Systems [book] by Gloria Gery
    Emotional Design: Why We Love (or Hate) Everyday Things [book] by Don Norman
     
    Contact Donald
    Twitter: @DonaldClark
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/donald-clark-04553022/
    Blog: http://donaldclarkplanb.blogspot.com/
     
    Contact John Helmer
    Twitter: @johnhelmer
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnhelmer/
    Website: http://johnhelmerconsulting.com/
     
    Download the new white paper from Learning Pool written by John Helmer & Ben Betts – 'Data & learning: A new common-sense approach' https://learningpool.com/data-learning-a-new-common-sense-approach/

    • 50 min
    Learning Systems with Page Chen

    Learning Systems with Page Chen

    John talks to Page Chen, CEO of Remote Learner; a learntech business leader with a strong academic background. How does she characterise the development of learning systems in the first two decades of the 21st Century, a period during which there was a good deal of pushback from 'guru' figures and practitioners alike against the admin-focused model promulgated by the industry? Have we reached a place now where the design of learning systems is better informed by learning science?
     


    02:58 How did she get into learning technologies?
    07:43 How well do the academic and corporate views of learntech align?
    10:26 Development of the learntech industry in C21
    14:38 Content & Platform
    25:22 Data and modern learning systems
    30:54 What is the right balance between supporting learners and giving them autonomy?
    37:52 Will L&D have to reskill for an adaptive, AI-driven future?
     


    Mentioned in the discussion:
    B. J. Fogg, behavior scientist at Stanford University: https://www.bjfogg.com/
     
    Remote Learner's website: https://www.remote-learner.com/
     
    Contact Page Chen
    Linked: linkedin.com/in/pagechen
    Personal website: pagechen.com
    Twitter: @pagechenphd
     
    Contact John Helmer
    Twitter: @johnhelmer
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnhelmer/
    Website: http://johnhelmerconsulting.com/
     
    Download the new white paper from Learning Pool written by John Helmer & Ben Betts – 'Data & learning: A new common-sense approach' https://learningpool.com/data-learning-a-new-common-sense-approach/

    • 46 min
    Behaviour Points with Julie Dirksen

    Behaviour Points with Julie Dirksen

     

    John talks to Julie Dirksen, a leading expert in instructional design, digital learning and behaviour change. Is it a problem for learning professionals that even when they have supported learners in gaining the knowledge and skills they need to do things right, and to do the right thing, once back in the workplace they so often do the exact opposite?
     
    This conversation dives deep into the mechanics of behaviour change, addressing the 'elephant and rider' problem in human psychology, and confronts the tricky ethical questions that effective use of behaviour change techniques inevitably brings up.
     


    03:37 What does the ‘elephant and rider’ image mean in behaviour change?
    12:26 The importance of feedback
    16:48 Intent vs behaviour
    18:00 Technology & behaviour change
    24:28 The ethics of behaviour change
    31:18 Is the ‘conspiracy of convenience’ a behaviour change problem?
    39:03 Tips for overcoming resistance to being trained


     
    Mentioned in the discussion:
    Jonathan Haidt, responsible for the 'elephant and rider' metaphor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Haidt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Damasio https://www.happinesshypothesis.com/ https://www.researchgate.net/publication/51070630_The_Behaviour_Change_Wheel_a_new_method_for_characterising_and_designing_behaviour_change_interventions http://www.behaviourchangewheel.com/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nudge_(book)
     
    Julie's Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/search/top?q=design%20for%20how%20people%20learn
     
    Contact Julie Dirksen
    LinkedIn: https://wwwlinkedin.com/in/juliedirksen
    Twitter: @usablelearning
    Website: usablelearning.wordpress.com
     
    Contact John Helmer
    Twitter: @johnhelmer
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnhelmer/
    Website: http://johnhelmerconsulting.com/
    Download the new white paper from Learning Pool written by John Helmer & Ben Betts – 'Data & learning: A new common-sense approach' https://learningpool.com/data-learning-a-new-common-sense-approach/

    • 48 min
    Beyond Learning with Harold Jarche

    Beyond Learning with Harold Jarche

    John talks to Harold Jarche, blogger, speaker and consultant in the closely adjacent but oddly separate worlds of learning and knowledge management.
     
    People at work need more than skills training and compliance learning. They have to navigate the complex knowledge environment that technology has given us, using concepts and tools that are part of an emerging field described by figures such as George Siemens, Dave Snowden, and Harold himself. Harold talks about Personal Knowledge Mastery (PKM), his own take on this, in a wide-ranging discussion that ranges over sensemaking, wayfinding, the influence of military training and the current state of social media.
     


    02:44 - Is he in learning or knowledge management?
    05:24 - Sensemaking and wayfinding
    10:18 - Personal Knowledge Mastery (PKM)
    17:40 - How can PKM be supported within the L&D workflow?
    23:31 - Is it hard for L&D to think about groups rather than individuals?
    27:24 - How can the learning tech stack support PKM?
    29:47 - Has military background influenced his thinking?
    36:34 - Is the current state of social media less useful for PKM?
     
     


    Harold's website: https://jarche.com/
     
    Mentioned in the discussion:
    Dave Snowden https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/david-snowden-profiles-knowledge-stan-garfield/
    Lilia Efimova https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/lilia-efimova-profiles-knowledge-stan-garfield/
    The Long Now Foundation: https://longnow.org/
    Metamodernism (Metamodernity): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metamodernism
     
    Contact Harold
    LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jarche
    Twitter: @hjarche
     
    Contact John Helmer
    Twitter: @johnhelmer
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnhelmer/
    Website: http://johnhelmerconsulting.com/
     
    Download the new white paper from Learning Pool written by John Helmer – 'Experience: theory, design and supporting technologies for an experience-based learning culture' https://learningpool.com/theory-design-and-supporting-technologies-for-an-experience-based-learning-culture/

    • 48 min
    What Are We Talking About?

    What Are We Talking About?

     

     

    Looking back over a year and a half of podcast episodes, John Helmer summarizes the main themes that have emerged from these these fascinating discussions and attempts to draw insights by taking a helicopter view.
     
    Where do people agree, and where do they clash? Includes contributions from George Siemens, Nick Shackleton-Jones, Donald Clark, Connie Malamed, Gianni Giacomelli, Laura Lee-Gibbs, Andrea Miles, Sharon Claffey Kaliouby, Jane Hart, Matthew Confer, Paul Matthews, David Wilson, Julliette Denny, Steve Dineen, Dani Johnson, Henri Palmer, Paul McElvaney, Leonard Houx, Myles Runham, Victoria Marsick, Reda Sadki, Caroline Ford and David Perring.


     
    01:23 Learning Hack Facts & Figures
    04:04 5. The Learner Experience
    13:18 4. Learning in the Flow of Work
    20:22 3. Women in Learning
    25:42 2. Evidence-Based Design
    31:26 1. The Global Pandemic


     
     
    Writers and thinkers referenced by Leonard Houx:
    David Merrill
    Robert M. Gagné
    Siegfried Engelmann
    Charles Reigeluth
    John Sweller
    Paul Kirschner
    Jeroen J. G. van Merriënboer
     
    Books cited:
    Diana Laurillard Laurillard, D. (2002). Rethinking University Teaching. A conversational framework for the effective use of learning technologies. London: Routledge ISBN 0415256798
     
    Contact John Helmer
    Twitter: @johnhelmer
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnhelmer/
    Website: http://johnhelmerconsulting.com/
     
    Download the new white paper from Learning Pool written by John Helmer – 'Experience: theory, design and supporting technologies for an experience-based learning culture' https://learningpool.com/theory-design-and-supporting-technologies-for-an-experience-based-learning-culture/

    • 41 min
    Fantastic Mrs Fox with Laura Lee-Gibbs

    Fantastic Mrs Fox with Laura Lee-Gibbs

     

    John talks to Laura Lee-Gibbs, Digital Learning Consultant & Director of Learn Fox. In her 14 years in the industry she has worked both vendor-side and client-side, across a broad range of sectors including legal, healthcare, retail, automotive, hospitality, financial, charities, professional associations, public sector and government agencies. Her practice focuses on digital transformation, and one of the things she does a lot for clients is to guide them through the difficult decisions involved in choosing a learning system. She has a three-step process for doing this which she talks through in this interview. The discussion also covers the importance of vendor relationships and the human factors to look out for when choosing a vendor with whom to work.
     


    02:20 How did Laura get into learning?
    05:16 What is the Way of the Fox?
    08:12 A 3-step process for getting the right system
    09:06 Step 1 - Defining requirements
    10:09 Step 2 - Define your top criteria
    15:01 How far ahead should you look?
    17:09 Step 3 Research available systems
    21:34 LMS or LXP? Or both? (Or neither!)
    25:08 Is it tougher for smaller organizations?
    30:23 Client/vendor relationships


     
     
    Mentioned in the episode:
     
    Fosway digital learning realities research: https://www.fosway.com/research/next-gen-learning/digital-learning-realities-2019/
     
    The MoSCoW Method: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MoSCoW_method#:~:text=The%20term%20MoSCoW%20itself%20is,to%20make%20the%20word%20pronounceable.
     
    Laura's website http://www.learnfox.co.uk/
     
    Contact Laura
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sussexlmsconsultant
     
    Contact John Helmer
    Twitter: @johnhelmer
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnhelmer/
    Website: http://johnhelmerconsulting.com/
     
    Download the new white paper from Learning Pool written by John Helmer – 'Experience: theory, design and supporting technologies for an experience-based learning culture' https://learningpool.com/theory-design-and-supporting-technologies-for-an-experience-based-learning-culture/

    • 40 min

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