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80s TV Ladies is dedicated to the beloved female-driven shows of the 1980s! Join hosts Susan Lambert Hatem and Sharon Johnson as they talk about the fabulous ladies of television: Cagney & Lacey, Designing Women, A Different World, The Golden Girls and more.

With special guests, TV creators and stars! Do these shows we hold so dear hold up? Let's find out.

Love 80s pop-culture, television, fabulous women? On our show you’ll hear a breakdown how these shows got made, how they were influenced by the times and, in turn, how they influenced pop-culture trends to follow. We also love talking about the “two-steps forward, one-step-back” lens of media-driven feminism.

Season 1:
Scarecrow and Mrs. King
Remington Steele
Cagney & Lacey

Season 2:
Queer representation in 70s and 80s
9 to 5 - It's a Living
Designing Women
Ladies of the 80s: A Divas Christmas
Star Trek Ladies
Moonlighting

Special guests: Eugenie Ross-Leming, Martha Smith, Robin Bernheim, Stephanie Zimbalist, Evan Ball, Debbie Evans, Barney Rosenzweig, Tyne Daly, Sharon Gless, Karen Arthur, Cynthis Beemis Abrams, Matt Baume, Jane Epsensen, Drew Greenberg, Paul Kreppel, Bryan Edward Hill, Maggie Friedman, Linda Bloodworth-Thomason, Stan Zimmerman, Mary Lou Belli, Nana Visitor, Glenn Gordon Caron, Shery Main and more!

We publish every other Wednesday.
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80s TV Ladies 134 West | Susan Lambert Hatem & Sharon Johnson

    • TV & Film
    • 4.9 • 52 Ratings

80s TV Ladies is dedicated to the beloved female-driven shows of the 1980s! Join hosts Susan Lambert Hatem and Sharon Johnson as they talk about the fabulous ladies of television: Cagney & Lacey, Designing Women, A Different World, The Golden Girls and more.

With special guests, TV creators and stars! Do these shows we hold so dear hold up? Let's find out.

Love 80s pop-culture, television, fabulous women? On our show you’ll hear a breakdown how these shows got made, how they were influenced by the times and, in turn, how they influenced pop-culture trends to follow. We also love talking about the “two-steps forward, one-step-back” lens of media-driven feminism.

Season 1:
Scarecrow and Mrs. King
Remington Steele
Cagney & Lacey

Season 2:
Queer representation in 70s and 80s
9 to 5 - It's a Living
Designing Women
Ladies of the 80s: A Divas Christmas
Star Trek Ladies
Moonlighting

Special guests: Eugenie Ross-Leming, Martha Smith, Robin Bernheim, Stephanie Zimbalist, Evan Ball, Debbie Evans, Barney Rosenzweig, Tyne Daly, Sharon Gless, Karen Arthur, Cynthis Beemis Abrams, Matt Baume, Jane Epsensen, Drew Greenberg, Paul Kreppel, Bryan Edward Hill, Maggie Friedman, Linda Bloodworth-Thomason, Stan Zimmerman, Mary Lou Belli, Nana Visitor, Glenn Gordon Caron, Shery Main and more!

We publish every other Wednesday.
Tell us: Who should we talk to and what's your favorite 80s Ladies television show? https://www.80stvladies.com

    Moonlighting | Our Top 8 Favorite Episodes!

    Moonlighting | Our Top 8 Favorite Episodes!

    BREAKING: 80s TV Ladies has been nominated for a Webby Award! Help us win. VOTE HERE!  

    Back to our episode: Sharon and Susan burst into the Blue Moon Detective Agency and hire Maddie and David to help them answer ONE BURNING QUESTION: What are their Top 8 favorite episodes of the entire series?

    Maddie: “Eight? Eight? Why not ten?” David: “Can’t do it. It would make them too tens.”  In the words of Miss Dipesto: “We’re never late, we won’t make you wait, but if you want favorite episodes -- you only get eight!”

    1) The Pilot (S1; EP 1)
    2) The Next Murder You Hear (S1; EP 4)
    3) The Dream Sequence Always Rings Twice (S2; EP 4)
    4) My Fair David (S2; EP 5)
    5) ‘Twas The Episode Before Christmas (S2; EP 10)
    6) Big Man on Mulberry Street (S3; EP 6)
    7) Atomic Shakespeare (but only for one of them!) (S3; EP 7)
    8) It’s A Wonderful Job (but only for one of them!) (S3; EP 8)
    9) The Straight Poop (S3; EP 9)

    THE CONVERSATION
    WHAT WAS HE THINKING? Glen Gordon Caron had a secret plan for what he wanted Moonlighting to do to network television: he wanted to kill the detective genre once and for all!Why were the seasons so short? Well, there was a little problem with getting episodes done on time...If Maddie was the “parent” and David was the “child” -- did David ever grow up?Is the show feminist? Or progressive? Susan and Sharon have thoughts!Why is the agency always broke? Maybe it’s all those people in the office who don’t do anything!That time when Susan got thrown off the set of The A-Team by George Peppard!Which Season of Moonlighting is the Moonlighting-est?What the hell happened with Season 4?? Warring stars, a missing showrunner -- and Die Hard!So join Susan and Sharon as they talk Dirk Benedict, Cybill Shepherd, Bruce Willis, Melissa’s candy, The Princess Bride -- and the challenges of producing a show AND a baby at the same time!

    AUDIOGRAPHY
    What are YOUR favorite Moonlighting episodes?  Let us know!!
    Watch Moonlighting on Hulu. On Apple TV or at Amazon Prime Video. 
    Check out Moonlighting: The Podcast.
    Read Moonlighting: An Episode Guide and Moonlighting: An Oral History. Both ON SALE at Tucker Press.  

    80s TV LADIES NEWS
    Catch 90s TV Baby Serita Fontanesi’s “Not Ugly” podcast at Apple.
    80s TV Ladies is nominated for a Webby Award! Help us win. VOTE HERE!  

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    • 1 hr
    ENCORE: Revisit Cagney and Lacey with Sharon Gless

    ENCORE: Revisit Cagney and Lacey with Sharon Gless

    Encore! Encore! In celebration of the premiere of Cagney & Lacey 42nd years ago this week, here is a look back at the special Sharon Gless interview we dropped one year ago today! 

    Sharon and Susan are at Podcast Movement Evolutions and The Ambies this week! So here's a look back to when they go to sit down with show business legend Sharon Gless. Multi-Emmy and Golden Globe winner, Sharon Gless has appeared in dozens of television shows such as “Nip/Tuck”, “Rizzoli & Isles”, “The Rockford Files”, “House Calls,”The Bob Newhart Show”, “Station 19” and “The Exorcist.” She has created iconic and ground-breaking characters in the shows “Burn Notice”, “Queer as Folk”, “The Trials of Rosie O’Neill” and of course “Cagney & Lacey”.

    In 2021 she published her bestselling, no-holds-barred autobiography “Apparently There Were Complaints”. In this in-depth interview, Sharon Gless talks frankly about feminism, her ongoing friendship with Tyne Daly, her affair, marriage and almost-divorce from Barney Rosenzweig, her struggles with substance abuse and recovery -- and the lasting legacy of the characters she’s played.

    THE CONVERSATION
    The moment Sharon Gless knew she wanted to be an actress – and knew she would not fail“The first feminist I ever met…” -- Barney Rosenzweig??How Cagney and Lacey we’re NEVER friends.How Sharon was actually the VERY FIRST person approached to play Christine Cagney – and why she turned it down.Earning $186 a week as the last contract player at Universal.“The Woman Behind the Woman”: how talent manager Monique James left her position as VP at MCA/Universal to become Sharon’s personal manager – and changed her life.Being forced to watch herself on film to learn what she was doing right -- and wrong.Hashing out billing, and rehearsing her first table read as Cagney, with Tyne Daly over a bottle of champagne.Why Christine Cagney wanted to be first through the door with a gun.Improvising and window shopping for the Cagney & Lacey main titles.Participating with Tyne Daly and Gloria Steinem in the 2004 Women’s March on Washington –- and seeing the true impact of “Cagney & Lacey” for the first time.Being Stephen J. Cannell’s “good luck charm!”Falling in love with Debbie Novotny on “Queer as Folk”.
    So join Susan, Sharon – and Sharon Gless -- as they talk poker nights with Tyne, the “C”-word, the other “C”-word -- and what did she really say to that flasher??

    AUDIOGRAPHY
    Official website: SharonGless.com
    Sharon Gless Facebook page.

    Sharon Gless’ autobiography “Apparently There Were Complaints” at Bookshop.
    Watch the trailer for Sharon’s Award-winning documentary - Show Her The Money

    WHERE TO WATCH
    Cagney & Lacey on ROKU. On PLUTO. On Apple TV.
    Trials of Rosie...

    • 1 hr 28 min
    Moonlighting | The 90s TV Babies

    Moonlighting | The 90s TV Babies

    The 90’s TV Babies return: Serita Fontanesi, Sergio Perez and Megan Ruble are back to do a little Moonlighting! Do you agree with the 90s Kids about Cybill Shepherd and Bruce Willis' hit show?

    Susan and Sharon served up five key episodes for the Babies' viewing pleasure:
    S1: E1 – “Pilot”
    S2: E3 – “Money Talks, Maddie Walks”
    S2: E4 – “The Dream Sequence Always Rings Twice”
    S2: E18 – “Camille”
    Bonus Episode: S3: E6 “Big Man on Mulberry Street”
    Plus -- YouTube scenes and snippets….

    So, did the Babies ask for seconds – or send their meal back? Do bears bear? Do bees bee? Do wah diddie diddie dum diddie do? We’re going to find out! 

    THE CONVERSATION
    DON’T FIGHT HIM ON THIS: Sergio, on his mom and the recipes of Pampanga, the culinary capital of the Philippines.Megan struggles with translating her personal worth into a dollar amount!Serita’s dog gets sent to reform school!Wait?!? Sergio has never seen “Die Hard” or “The Sixth Sense” – or any other Bruce Willis movie! What?!?ACCORDING TO THE BABIES: Moonlighting feels like Bruce’s show – Cybill feels like a secondary character.90’s BABY ADVANTAGE: Megan just skipped ahead to the “good parts” episode – where David and Maddie finally get together! No fair!Which Baby thought the show was too… SLOW?!?!And which Baby thinks the show isn’t feminist but “femin-ish”?When Serita’s mother was a baby, she was quieted from crying by… ORSON WELLS?!?! So join Susan and Sharon – and Megan, Sergio and Serita – as they talk civil rights, shoulder pads, “throwing vases”, Judd Nelson, Whoopi Goldberg – and “Muppet-level nonsense”!

    AUDIOGRAPHY
    Watch the special Moonlighting playlist clips at YouTube.com/80sTVLadies.
    Check out the book Sergio raved about: Atching Lillian’s Heirloom Recipes.
    Watch Megan in Bardic Inspiration’s Twelfth Night’s on Twitch.
    Catch Serita’s “Not Ugly” podcast at Apple.
    Watch Moonlighting on Hulu.
    See more great Moonlighting content at Moonlighting21.com.

    WOMEN’S HISTORY MONTH
    History - and Herstory - is happening right now. Abortion access in America is severely limited – if you want to help or need help go to Abortionfinder.org 

    80s TV LADIES NEWS
    March 26 - 29: The 80s TV Ladies will be at Podcast Movement Evolutions. Come say hello! 

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    • 1 hr 4 min
    Moonlighting Magic | Sheryl Main

    Moonlighting Magic | Sheryl Main

    “I was never so tightly wound as the night we transmitted the show directly from ABC in Los Angeles to New York. We basically went live.”– Sheryl Main, post-production supervisor, Moonlighting

    Susan and Sharon take you “behind the scenes” with Moonlighting post-production supervisor – and legendary publicity strategist Sheryl Main. As a Unit Publicist, she’s worked on such films as Creed 3, Judas and the Black Messiah, The Expendables, Terminator 3, The Perks of Being A Wallflower and collaborated with hundreds of celebrities including Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sylvester Stallone, Clint Eastwood, Emma Watson – and everyone in between!

    But she "cut her teeth" with Moonlighting. Sheryl talks about the “insanely creative” atmosphere created by Glenn Gordon Caron, the long hours and crazy good times – and the lifelong friends she “met on the way.”

    THE CONVERSATION
    Experiencing sexism and harassment in the movie industry: The Pope of Greenwich Village director “Stuart Rosenberg sent me home for wearing pink jeans. So Mickey Rourke said: “$*@! him. Work with me. Be my assistant.”When she interviewed to be Bruce Willis’s assistant, she recognized him – as “Bruno Radolini” – his musical alter ego from New York!Moonlighting on Moonlighting: “The editors pulled all-nighters. They slept there. But we had fun.”On Glen Gordon Caron: “He changed TV when you think about it. Everything we did from ‘Atomic Shakespeare’ to the black and white episode to… well, we thought we killed Orson Wells.”ARNOLD AND SLY AND BRUCE AND ME: “They all impacted my career and my life in different ways."On Arnold the Governor: “We went up there thinking ‘Woo-Hoo! We’re gonna change the world! But the mechanism in place doesn’t want you to change the world.”On Bruce Willis: “He was a craftsman with words. He could memorize a scene in a minute. What’s happening with him… it’s heartbreaking. I wouldn’t have a career without him.”So, join Susan and Sharon – and Sheryl – as they talk crisis-managing Rust, partying in Cybil’s trailer, Dennis Dugan, The Expendables, Jed the Fish on KROQ -- and the “Curtis Armstrong Day” parade!

    AUDIOGRAPHY
    Check out Moonlighting: The Podcast: https://moonlightingthepodcast.com/
    Watch Moonlighting on Hulu.
    Stream it on Apple TV or at Amazon Prime Video.
    Follow Glenn Gordon Caron on Twitter.com/GlennGCaron.

    80s TV LADIES NEWS
    Susan’s new play Confidence (and the Speech) has been published!Now available for purchase and licensing at DPS via Broadway Licensing.

    CONNECT
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    • 1 hr 11 min
    The Making of Moonlighting | Glenn Gordon Caron, Part 2

    The Making of Moonlighting | Glenn Gordon Caron, Part 2

    “I said to Cybill Shepherd, ‘You are a Prima Donna!’
    And she said, ‘Yes. I am. Do you know what ‘Prima Donna’ means, Glenn? It means First Woman. And don’t you forget it.”
    – Glenn Gordon Caron

    In the second of our two-part conversation with Moonlighting and Medium creator Glenn Gordon Caron, we cover everything from Al Jarreau’s iconic theme song to sparring with Cybill Shepherd, to a forty-year career spent working with “audacious people”…

    Moonlighting, which ran from 1985-1989 starred Cybill Shepherd, a then-unknown Bruce Willis, Allyce Beasley and Curtis Armstrong, and become a landmark classic of 1980s television. Glenn also directed movies such as Clean and Sober, Picture Perfect and Love Affair.

    THE CONVERSATION
    Getting invited to the horse races by Cary Grant – who then dies before they could go!How dinner with Stanley Donen led to Glenn asking him to direct the dance sequence from “Big Man on Mulberry Street” as a favor. But what did Donen ask in return? That Glenn co-write that year’s Academy Award show with Larry Gelbart!How a chance meeting with Rona Barrett resulted in one of the weirdest -- and most talked-about -- episodes of Moonlighting ever!On Cybill Shepherd: “The topography of her life fit the topography of the story. She was a model. She became a huge movie star. And then she lost everything.”On Bruce Willis: “He was like thirty guys I grew up with. And I understood, underneath all that bravura, and all that jazz, there’s a genuineness that’s hard to resist."WHEN LES IS MORE: How Now and Again was born when Les Moonves told Glenn: “Write me a pilot, and if I don’t make it, I’ll give you one million dollars.”How for Glenn, the TV show Medium is less the story of a mystic – and more the story of a marriage.So, join Susan and Sharon – and Glenn – as they talk Pierce Brosnan, Love Affair, Jennifer Aniston, Clean and Sober, -- and Susan’s Vicodin mood swings!

    AUDIOGRAPHY
    Watch Moonlighting on Hulu.
    Stream it on Apple TV or at Amazon Prime Video.
    Follow Glenn Gordon Caron on Twitter.com/GlennGCaron.

    80s TV LADIES NEWS
    Susan’s new play Confidence (and the Speech) has been published!
    Now available for purchase and licensing at DPS via Broadway Licensing.

    CONNECT
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    • 1 hr 1 min
    The Making of Moonlighting | Glenn Gordon Caron, Part 1

    The Making of Moonlighting | Glenn Gordon Caron, Part 1

    “They said I could do whatever I want. So I thought, I’ll write a boy-girl detective show that kills this stupid genre.” – Glenn Gordon Caron, creator of Moonlighting

    Some walk by night, some fly by day… Susan and Sharon cross paths with legendary writer, director, producer and creator of the classic 80’s series Moonlighting for a rollicking conversation about David, Maddie, Ms. DiPesto – and everything in between!

    Moonlighting ran from 1985-1989. It starred Cybill Shepherd and a then-unknown Bruce Willis and would become a landmark classic of 80s television. Tasked with making “one of those boy-girl detective shows” Caron agreed on the condition that he could do whatever he wanted. What he – and as it turns out, we – wanted, was Moonlighting. Glenn Gordon Caron has been a force in television for over four decades, since his first job on Taxi – followed by a stint on Remington Steele -- before going on to create the seminal 80s romantic comedy/detective series Moonlighting. Caron later went on to create the long-running Patricia Arquette show, Medium. Moonlighting is now streaming on Hulu.

    THE CONVERSATION
    300 SONGS in 66 episodes – the MANY hurdles of getting the music rights for Moonlighting for the Hulu broadcasts.Glenn’s first pilot turned out to be for a little actor named… James Stewart.Steven Bochco asked Glenn to come work on his new show, then called Hill Street Station: “I said no – this is never gonna go.”On the crazy tone of Moonlighting: “I’m showing the episodes to my youngest child, who’s fourteen. He’s come to believe that I’m mentally ill.”Cybill Shepherd signed on to Moonlighting -- after reading only half the pilot!On casting the role of David Addison: “I brought Bruce Willis in to audition eleven times. They rejected him ten times.”The role of David Addison’s brother was originally written for… David Lee Roth?!GETTING PAST THE CENSORS: ABC censors wouldn’t allow David & Maddie to say “frig”. But “fig”? Um, Okay.On being a maverick: “I was young and arrogant and didn’t care about my reputation. I would live to regret that.”So, join Susan and Sharon – and Glenn – as they talk Aaron Spelling, Pierce Brosnan, Peter Peter Bogdanovich, 100-page scripts, directing Orson Wells – and getting kicked by nuns!

    AUDIOGRAPHY
    Watch Moonlighting on Hulu.
    Check out the Moonlighting fan website, DavidandMaddie.com
    Susan’s new play Confidence (and the Speech) has just been published! Now available for purchase and licensing at DPS via Broadway Licensing.

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    • 1 hr 7 min

Customer Reviews

4.9 out of 5
52 Ratings

52 Ratings

Polkie dots ,

Love this podcast

Enjoyed my first episode of 80’s TV Ladies while cleaning up the other day (Directing 80’s TV) and it made the task so much more interesting! The podcast is so well done! Susan and Sharon are so well spoken, fun, and have such a great banter going on. It’s so great to hear intelligent, charismatic and knowledgeable women speak! It shows what ladies can really do!!! The podcast discussions take you down 80’s memory lane and at the same time remind you how women can achieve anything they set their mind to. Love it Susan and Sharon! Keep up the good work!!

80sBecky ,

Memory Lane!

I really enjoy the podcast! As a huge Remington Steele fan, I have especially loved the Steele episodes. But, all the shows you discuss are ones I watched growing up in the 80’s, and they all have a special place in my heart. Thanks for doing this!

SullivanLewis81 ,

80s TV Nostalgia

I love your podcast! It’s been a blast going back to the 80s with these ladies and their amazing guests. My favorite episodes to date are: the one with the stunt driver, Debbie Evans, and Laura Holt aka Stephanie Zimbalist. Keep up the good work ladies and please cover Designing Women, Rosanne, and A different World - three of my absolute faves!

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