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Hosts Claire Mazur and Erica Cerulo, who you might know as the co-founders of the website Of a Kind (RIP!) or the co-authors of the book Work Wife, are all about discovery and enthusiasm. We've heard this weekly podcast described as a 'unique mix of urgent discussions of non-urgent things and thoughtful discussions of important, and often otherwise ignored, things,' and we're very much on board with that take.

A Thing or Two with Claire and Erica Dear Media

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    • 4.7, 221 Ratings

Hosts Claire Mazur and Erica Cerulo, who you might know as the co-founders of the website Of a Kind (RIP!) or the co-authors of the book Work Wife, are all about discovery and enthusiasm. We've heard this weekly podcast described as a 'unique mix of urgent discussions of non-urgent things and thoughtful discussions of important, and often otherwise ignored, things,' and we're very much on board with that take.

    Going Big on Big Friendship with Aminatou Sow and Ann Friedman

    Going Big on Big Friendship with Aminatou Sow and Ann Friedman

    Um, aspirational friendship alert!! We’re bringing you THE Ann Friedman and Aminatou Sow, hosts of the podcast Call Your Girlfriend, brilliant minds behind Shine Theory, and authors of the book Big Friendship that all of your pals are going to be talking about on the group text. They’ve gotten practice writing—and talking—about the hard things in their relationship and working through conflict and, in doing so, are downright inspirational. But what’s new?
     
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    Big Friendship! Have you ordered your copy yet?!?!
     
    If you aren’t consuming all that Amina and Ann create, get on that—starting with Call Your Girlfriend and Shine Theory.
     
    To share any and all thoughts with us, DM us on IG at @athingortwohq or leave us a VM at 833-632-5463.
     
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    • 45 min
    House Shoes and Our Favorite Contemporary Novels by Black Authors

    House Shoes and Our Favorite Contemporary Novels by Black Authors

    Slip on your comfiest shoes (ideally the ones that don’t go outdoors?) and get ready to curl up with a good book—or, rather, our enthusiastic endorsements of 26 novels by Black authors. YA and romance included, duh.
     
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    If you want more from us on Instagram, head to @athingortwohq. If you want to give us a ring, dial up 833-632-5463.
     
    Some (Birkenstock-y) house-shoe picks: Arizona Essentials EVA, Boston Essentials EVA, and Boston Suede with Shearling.  
     
    NOVELS BY BLACK AUTHORS! That we love! Such a Fun Age by Kiley Reid; Behold the Dreamers by Imbolo Mbue; The Idea of You by Robinne Lee; The Wedding Date, The Proposal, The Wedding Party, and more (!!) by Jasmine Guillory; The Nickel Boys (and next up: Sag Harbor) by Colson Whitehead; My Sister, the Serial Killer by Oyinkan Braithwaite; American Spy by Lauren Wilkinson; What We Lose by Zinzi Clemmons; An American Marriage and Silver Sparrow by Tayari Jones; The Mothers (and next up: The Vanishing Half) by Brit Bennett; Another Brooklyn by Jacqueline Woodson; Homegoing (up next: Transcendent Kingdom) by Yaa Gyasi; We Love You, Charlie Freeman by Kaitlyn Greenidge; Americanah and The Thing Around Your Neck by Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie.
     
    YA NOVELS! With the Fire on High by Elizabeth Acevedo; The Hate U Give and On the Come Up by Angie Thomas; The Sun is Also a Star and Everything, Everything by Nicola Yoon.
     
    Listen to Tayari Jones on our podcast or on Death, Sex & Money (where she talks about getting a call from Oprah!).
     
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    • 33 min
    The Women Behind Omsom, Our New Kitchen Go-To, and Rethinking Instagram

    The Women Behind Omsom, Our New Kitchen Go-To, and Rethinking Instagram

    What’s up over here? We’re still giving too much headspace to Instagram...but our perspectives are shifting. And we’re also eating some of our very best meals of quar, thanks to Vanessa and Kim Pham, the sisters behind Omsom and its outrageously good Vietnamese, Thai, and Filipino sauces. Dig in?
     
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    Andrea Whittle wrote about whether the protests will change IG for W mag.
     
    Whoa, did this @_nanders post get the wheels turning about the WHY of sharing content that’s getting shared a lot. 
     
    We always love Mary H.K. Choi, and this ep of her Hey, Cool Life! pod about optics and allyship really landed.
     
    Another shout-out for 15 Percent Pledge!
     
    We are obsessed with Kim and Vanessa Pham’s Omsom sauces, made in collaboration with the NYC restaurants Fish Cheeks, Jeepney, and Madame Vo.
     
    For more ideas on how to put Omsom sauces to excellent use, their Instagram is a treasure trove.
     
    Cookbooks endorsed by Vanessa and Kim (for reading as much as cooking): I Am a Filipino by Nicole Ponseca and Miguel Trinidad and Dishoom: The First Ever Cookbook from the Much-Loved Indian Restaurant by Shamil Thakrar, Kavi Thakrar, and Naved Nasir.
     
    Get us on Instagram at @athingortwohq or by phone at 833-632-5463.
     
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    • 49 min
    Pledging to Shop Better

    Pledging to Shop Better

    The two of us are calling our reps, donating money, consuming so much news, researching our primary candidates...and also rethinking where we spend our money and the businesses that warrant our support. We have SO MANY THOUGHTS. Also: We’re giving a free ad spot a week to a Black-owned business. If you’re interested, drop us a line at podcast@claireanderica.com!
     
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    The Who? Weekly episode intro that really spoke to us.
     
    Check out the 15 Percent Pledge, which the Brother Vellies designer Aurora James started to urge major retailers to pledge 15% of their shelf space to Black-owned businesses. But it applies to consumers, too!
     
    Some places to find more Black-owned businesses to support: Instagram highlights (1, 2, and 3) from Erica, a spreadsheet compiled by Lingua Franca, restaurant spreadsheets via Helen Rosner’s IG, Julee Wilson’s list of 125 beauty brands, Black-Owned Brooklyn, Shoppe Black, banks (and many other businesses!) from Amira Rasool’s IG.
     
    The Harvard Business School 2014 working paper "The State of Small Business Lending" that we cite a bunch.
     
    For some abysmal venture-funding stats, read the Techcrunch article "US VC Investment in Female Founders Hits All-Time High" and this Forbes piece that breaks down dollars for Black and Latinx women.
     
    This Onion headline (and whole story) about private equity!!!
     
    We’re all about shifting online book purchases to Bookshop.org.
     
    Get in touch! On Instagram at @athingortwohq or via phone at 833-632-5463.
     
    Head to BiblioLifestyle for A+ book recs, and subscribe today to get their summer reading guide.
    Check out the stunning pottery from Lolly Lolly Ceramics, and get on the email list to be first to hear about restocks.
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    • 40 min
    All Our Uncanny Valley Thoughts...And When You Need to Go to the Doctor

    All Our Uncanny Valley Thoughts...And When You Need to Go to the Doctor

    Have you all read Uncanny Valley? Because this episode is a long way of saying, “Wow, you really should.” We are bubbling over with thoughts about Silicon Valley, gender and tech, and Anna Wiener’s all-around exceptional writing. Oh, and we also have something to say about going to the doctor during these times, as people who’ve had to go on multiple occasions.
     
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    You got a dreamy VM you want to leave? 833-632-5463—come on.
     
    Two companies doing a good job thinking about medical solutions during this time: Capsule Pharmacy and Thirty Madison, with its online urgent care.
     
    A case for taking babes to the doctor: this NYT story about vaccine rates dropping among kids.
     
    Breaking news alert: Erica is now the proud owner of the jumbo tin of Luxardo cherries (and is stocked-up on her favorite GF pasta, too). Put your Luxardos in a Tom Collins!
     
    Read o’ the week: Uncanny Valley by Anna Wiener. If you want a taste, it was excerpted in The New Yorker (and also started as an n+1 essay).
     
    Here’s the “Measles for the One Percent” article from New York mag that Claire references. 
     
    Glossary of the references in the book if you wanna check your answers.
     
    Such good writing about premiocre by Amanda Mull and Venkatesh Rao!
     
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    • 44 min
    How We’re Working Together Now and John Jannuzzi (Master of Creative Pursuits!)

    How We’re Working Together Now and John Jannuzzi (Master of Creative Pursuits!)

    You know who wrote the book on socks (and started one of the best Tumblrs and bakes internet-famous cookies)? John Jannuzzi, and he’s here to share his creative side-hustle tips (but not any of the burnt malted milk and Kit-Kat cookies—he’s keeping those for himself). Before we dive in, though, can we discuss long-distance collaboration between two people who live four blocks apart? Yes, we’re talking about us.
     
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    We’ve picked up some good work habits from the book Making Ideas Happen.
     
    Breaking snack news: The Daily Crave smoked gouda lentil chips might be a wise bulk purchase (as they have been for Claire), and the makers of Pretzel Perfection are donating party mix to school districts and food banks.
     
    How to Wear Socks! It’s John Jannuzzi’s new book. Feels very appropriate for dads ‘n grads, no?
     
    Classic white Bombas! John’s favorite socks.
     
    Bring on the crazy glasses, fun socks, and nutty shoes: Per The Strategist, Strawberry Crocs are having moment.
     
    John’s other creative undertakings: 1) his v. popular early-days Tumblr Textbook 2) his dance compilations 3) Jannuzzi’s Cookies, batches of which go on sale every Sunday at 8 p.m. ET (set a reminder!).
     
    Oh, also: John is very active on both Twitter and Instagram.
     
    Two people John looks to for creativity guidance: Amanda Mull (who is a staff writer at The Atlantic) and Mary H.K. Choi (the author of Permanent Record and Emergency Contact and host of the minipod Hey, Cool Life!).
     
    You know we love our voicemails. 833-632-5463!
     
    For anything else you might be looking for related to all of this, head over to claireanderica.com.
     
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4.7 out of 5
221 Ratings

221 Ratings

BkListens ,

The best.

Warm, intelligent conversation on all manner of topics - it’s so intimate it’s a bit like eavesdropping, but so welcoming it’s also like C and E are your friends, too.

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So insightful and so much fun

I love these women and everything they do! Their podcast is super entertaining and insightful. Like hanging out with your two best friends.

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