Do You Even Lit?

cam and benny feat. rich
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Do You Even Lit?

stemcel tragics use THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP to read literary classics

  1. FEB 26

    Emily Wilson's The Odyssey, part 1: Bronze age perversion

    WOKE classics professor DESTROYED by three random guys who've never read homer before!!! just kidding we love it. Wilson translation discourse: is she really importing her feminist beliefs into the text? has she stripped the grandeur out to take 'complicated' Odysseus down a peg? what are the connotations of sluts and slaves? is the fancy language of other translators really just stylistic anachronism? who would win in a fight between the yass queens and the greek statue avatars? Odysseus the hero: what's with all the false modesty? where is the line between seeking glory and outright hubris? did he do the Cyclops dirty or did the rude savage get what was coming to him? a comparison of the Greek heroic obsession with honour and social status vs Byronic heroes and modern superheroes. Bronze age morality: which ethical framework does it correspond to? is the hospitality stuff a useful cultural adaptation? same for the tit-for-tat honour culture? do the greek gods enforce morality, or they more like regular capricious people who happen to have super powers? what are the other big differences to judeo-christian morality? This episode is pretty light on actual plot and character stuff but I promise we will get into it much more next week: especially the ousting of the suitors, cunning Penelope, Telemachus arc, etc. CHAPTERS (00:00:00) intro and initial reactions (00:04:52) does Wilson strip the majesty out of the poem? (00:19:50) wading into the woke and anti-woke accusations (00:36:32) Civilisation vs barbarism: sympathy for the Cyclops (00:47:57) Walking the line between fame and hubris (00:54:00) Bronze age morality: you gotta give respect to get respect WRITE US: We love listener feedback. Send us a note at douevenlit@gmail.com to correct our bad takes, add your own, or just say hi. NEXT ON THE READING LIST: White Noise - Don DeLillo

    1h 11m

  2. FEB 12

    Nikolai Gogol: Cutting your nose to spite the faceless bureaucracy

    "For how could the nose, which had been on his face but yesterday, and able then neither to drive nor to walk independently, now be going about in uniform?"We take a break from reading novels and take a quick nose dive into Gogol's famous 1830s short story, talking absurdity, bureaucracy, and Russian wives.Status and bureaucracies: The most straight forward reading is a satire 19th century Russian bureaucracies and status seeking. Benny outlines outlines the table of ranks and the boys consider the pros and cons. Inconsistencies and the absurd: Rich is frustrated with the lack of internal inconsistency and doesn't buy George Saunders defence of the story as self-aware of its limitations. Gogol's nose: Perhaps the story can be understood via a more personal lens. Benny points out Gogol's insecurities about his own noise which may be reflected in Major Kovalyov’s obsession with his appearance. CHAPTERS (00:00:00) Chitter chatter (00:07:14) Quick summary of The Nose (00:11:05) Is this story even good? (00:16:00) Absurdism and surrealism (00:21:20) George Saunders defends The Nose (00:24:32) The Table of Ranks (00:29:18) Gogol's nose (00:36:15) Listener feedback WRITE US: We love listener feedback. Send us a note at douevenlit@gmail.com to correct our bad takes, add your own, or just say hi. NEXT ON THE READING LIST: The Odyssey - Homer (Emily Wilson translation) White Noise - Don DeLillo

    39 min

  3. JAN 17

    Blood Meridian, part 2: It's time for some game theory

    "He never sleeps, the judge. He is dancing, dancing. He says that he will never die." Wrapping up the second half of our discussion on Cormac McCarthy's 1985 classic, in which various chickens come home to roost.The Glanton gang's downfall: on the run from the Sonoran cavalry, mercy killings, greed and symbolism of coins, the takeover of the ferry, the Yuma strike back, the judge's apocalypse-chic fashion, the Idiot plays his part (??). On violence and human nature: Rich makes the base case that humans don't have a 'true' nature but respond to local incentives, Benny finds some logic in the conservative tradition for avoiding a major upset to the fragile equilibrium of modern civilisation, and Cam adds game theoretic reasons for having a government or third party that can make credible threats of violence. What makes the Kid different: Rich thinks he isn't any more moral than the rest of the gang, but we end up coming up with a pretty good explanation for why the judge singles him out for opprobrium and considers him such a disappointment. On the sunset of the Wild West: the kid becomes the man, the cycle of violence perpetuates itself, mass slaughter of the buffalo, McCarthy's satirical skewering of manifest destiny, interpreting of the epilogue and the last dance. Also: some general thoughts on tackling our first McCarthy, his idiosyncratic writing style, and the ambiguity around his antagonist's true identity.   CHAPTERS (00:00:00) chitter chatter (00:09:08) The Glanton gang’s downfall (00:25:00) The Idiot (00:32:33) Cultural technologies for reducing violence (00:45:33) What makes the Kid different? (01:03:06) Greed, exploitation, and the end of the Wild West (01:13:13) The Bonepickers: the cycle of violence repeats (01:22:12) The last dance: Is the judge a supernatural being? (01:49:40) Summing up and last-minute token criticism WRITE US: We love listener feedback. Send us a note at douevenlit@gmail.com to correct our bad takes, add your own, or just say hi. NEXT ON THE READING LIST: The Nose - Gogol (short story) The Odyssey - Homer (Emily Wilson translation) White Noise - Don DeLillo

    1h 54m

  4. JAN 3

    Cormac McCarthy's Blood Meridian, part 1: A legion of horribles

    Hell aint half full. Hear me. Ye carry war of a madman's making onto a foreign land. Yell wake more than the dogs. Rich is a big McCarthy head. For Benny and Cam, it's their first taste, and we're going straight to the top shelf: the 1985 epic historical novel Blood Meridian; or, The Evening Redness in the West. In this discussion we cover the first half of the book (chapters 1-12) as a meditation on violence, manifest destiny, self-mythology, and McCarthy's own cunning plot to positioning himself within the literary canon. At the centre of it all there is the judge: a towering, hairless enigma who might be a false god, or a devil... or something even worse. CHAPTERS (00:00:00) quick background (00:06:07) introducing the Kid and the judge 00:12:46) why did Captain White’s expedition fail so badly? (00:24:54) Comanche war party run-on sentence fever dream (00:34:12) Sometime come the mother, sometime come the wolf (00:42:00) the strangely egalitarian Glanton Gang (00:56:13) Judge Holden piss-infused gunpowder volcano massacre (01:15:19) Decoding the story of the harness-maker and the traveller (01:28:01) Goodhart’s law in scalp-hunting bounties (01:34:48) First impressions of McCarthy (01:37:32) Listener mail: Knausgaard and autofiction rant revisited WRITE US: We love listener feedback. Send us a note at douevenlit@gmail.com to correct our bad takes, add your own, or just say hi. NEXT ON THE READING LIST: The Odyssey - Homer (Emily Wilson translation)

    1h 43m

  5. 12/19/2024

    DYEL Christmas party: The most beloved and hated books of 2024

    A bit of festive fun looking back on the year that was. Which books have stayed with us? Which were forgettable? What was the best reading/watching we did outside of book club? What did we learn about podcasting? Are we gonna keep posting this stuff in public? and MORE CHAPTERS (00:00:00) festive chit chat (00:07:35) Revealing our favourite books of the year 00:34:13) Biggest STINKER of the year (00:48:25) Our #1 (non-book club) book/essay/blog (00:59:39) Favourite film or TV (01:10:05) Navel-gazing on the book club meta and podcasting lessons learned WRITE US: We love listener feedback. Send us a note at douevenlit@gmail.com to correct our bad takes, add your own, or just say hi. NEXT ON THE READING LIST: Blood Meridian - Cormac McCarthy The Odyssey - Homer (Emily Wilson translation)

    1h 23m

  6. 12/10/2024

    The Moviegoer: In which we escape a deep existential malaise

    A paradox: how can an author—say, Walker Percy—get the reader to care about a protagonist—say, Binx Bolling—who is stuck in a malaise and doesn't himself particularly care about anything? A corollary: how can a book club have an engaging discussion when they don't particularly care about said book and said protagonist? Honestly you might as well skip the first 10 minutes or so in which we half-assedly try to talk about the actual plot elements. Luckily Cam saves the day with an impromptu lecture on Kierkegaard and we get to yapping about the meaning of life instead: Is it patronising to claim that everyone is living in a state of despair? Is self-gratification and individualism actually bad? What are the main avenues for having a meaningful life? How does society stigmatise or incentivise meaning-making activities? Has the existentialist project more or less been a success? Which of Popper's three worlds does 'meaning' fall into? I can't be bothered doing chapter markers for this one so just take a leap of faith you cowards   WRITE US: We love listener feedback. Send us a note at douevenlit@gmail.com to correct our bad takes, add your own, or just say hi. NEXT ON THE READING LIST: Blood Meridian - Cormac McCarthy The Odyssey - Homer (Emily Wilson translation)

    1h 5m

  7. 11/21/2024

    Banned books: Vladimir Nabokov's infamous Lolita

    “Lolita, light of my life, fire of my loins. My sin, my soul... You can always count on a murderer for a fancy prose style.” Nabokov had a lot of trouble getting anyone to publish a story about a grown man falling in love with a 12 year old. After multiple bans and scandals, Lolita caught fire in America, and is now considered perhaps his greatest work (altho you still cop some dodgy glances reading it on the train). The great central tension is between Humbert Humbert the monster and HH the sensitive and sympathetic aesthete. How reliable is HH as a narrator? Is he deluding himself? Did he successfully hoodwink certain critics? Is he truly capable of love and redemption, or is everything staged for effect? On the murder mystery: is HH really any better than his nemesis Clare Quilty? What's the significance of trying to kill one's shadow? Did we catch Quilty's lurking presence throughout these pages? Does he even exist at all? What's the message of this story? On didactic vs aesthetic fiction, whether this book is meant to be moralising, Nabokov's instructions to the reader, and an overall vibe check on how we feel about his tricks after reading both Pale Fire and Lolita. CHAPTERS (00:00:00) life imitates art (00:04:11) the two faces of Humbert Humbert 00:13:42) is HH an unreliable narrator? (00:26:32) Trying to distinguish between love and lust (00:36:50) Sympathy for the pedo (00:40:32) the questionable reality of Clare Quilty (01:04:49) Quilty vs HH (01:08:45) Does Lolita have a moral? (death of the author redux) (01:14:22) comparison to Pale Fire and Nabokov vibe check WRITE US: We love to share listener feedback. Send us a note at douevenlit@gmail.com to correct our bad takes, add your own, or just say hi. NEXT ON THE READING LIST: The Moviegoer - Walker Percy

    1h 25m

  8. 10/30/2024

    Karl Ove Knausgaard's My Struggle: Autofiction and autofellation

    These days every bestselling author writes novels about how their dad was too strict and they got bullied for bringing stinky indian food to school etc. But Karl Ove Knausgaard walked so millennial narcissists could run. This week we get absorbed in part 1 of his epic six-part autobiographical novel My Struggle, published in 2009. The big central question: what makes a book which spends five pages describing the author making a cup of coffee so good? The prose is nice but prosaic, there are few major insights, and no plot beats or narrative tension. But we (mostly) agree that it is in fact a good or even great book.On the performance art aspect to Knausgaard's project, the barriers to being truly sincere and honest, pathological self-awareness, why early memories are so often dominated by shame, nostalgia for premature ejaculation, and MORE.   CHAPTERS (00:00:00) intro (00:00:56) patient zero for the autofiction disease 00:11:40) My Struggle as performance art (00:20:20) Shame and pathological self-consciousness (00:30:38) what is it exactly that makes Knausgaard so good? (00:40:12) next book announcement WRITE US: We love to share listener feedback on the pod, so send us a note at douevenlit@gmail.com to correct our bad takes or add your own or just say hi.   NEXT ON THE READING LIST: Lolita - Nabokov The Moviegoer - Walker Percy

    44 min
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stemcel tragics use THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP to read literary classics

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    cam and benny feat. rich
  • Years Active
    2024 - 2025
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