GeriPal - A Geriatrics and Palliative Care Podcast Alex Smith, Eric Widera

We are dusting off our crystal balls today with three amazing guests who have all recently published an article on prognosis over the last couple months: Kara Bischoff, James Deardorff, and Elizabeth Lilley.
To start us off we talk with Kara Bischoff about the article she just published in JAMA Network on a re-validation of the Palliative Performance Scale (PPS) in a modern day palliative care setting.  Why do this?  The PPS  is one of the most widely used prognostic tools for seriously ill patients, but the prognostic estimates given by the PPS are based on data that is well over a decade old. ePrognosis now includes the modern validation of the PPS.
Next, we talk with James Deardorff about whether we can accurately predict nursing home level of care in community-dwelling older adults with dementia.  Spoiler alert, he published a study in JAMA IM on a prognostic index that does exactly that (which is also on eprognosis.org)
Lastly, we invite Liz Lilley to talk about her paper in Annals of Surgery about prognostic allignment, including why as palliative care and geriatrics teams we need to take time to ensure that all disciplines and specialities are prognostically aligned before a family meeting.
 

The US Preventive Services Task Force (USPSTF) concluded back in 2000 that there is insufficient evidence to recommend for or against routine screening for dementia in older adults. Are there, though, populations that it may be helpful in, or should that change with the advent of the new amyloid antibodies?  Should it?  If so, how do we screen and who do we screen?
On this week’s podcast we talk with three experts in the field about screening for dementia. Anna Chodos is a geriatrician at UCSF and the Principal Investigator of Dementia Care Aware, a California-wide program to improve the detection of dementia in older adults who have Medi-Cal benefits. Joseph Gaugler is the Director of the Center for Healthy Aging and Innovation at the University of Minnesota, director of the BOLD Public Health Center of Excellence on Dementia Caregiving, and Editor-in-Chief of the Gerontologist.  Lastly, Soo Borson is a self-described primary care leaning geriatric psychiatrist, developer of the Mini-Cog, and co-leads the CDC-funded BOLD Center on Early Detection of Dementia.
In addition to the questions asked above, we also cover the following topics with our guests:
What is dementia screening? 
Who should get it if anyone?
What should we use to screen individuals?
What happens after they test positive?
And if you are interested in learning more about the Guiding an Improved Dementia Experience (GUIDE) Model for dementia, check out this podcast.
 

Emergency podcast! We’ve been asked by many people, mostly junior/mid career faculty, to quickly record a podcast on ageism and the elections.  People are feeling conflicted.  On the one hand, they have concerns about cognitive fitness of candidates for office.  On the other hand, they worry about ageism.  There’s something happening here, and what it is ain’t exactly clear. We need clear eyed thinking about this issue.
In today’s podcast, Louise Aronson, author of Elderhood, validates that this conflict between being concerned about both fitness for the job and alarmed about ageism is exactly the right place to be.  We both cannot ignore that with advancing age the prevalence of cognitive impairment, frailty, and disability increase.  At the same time, we can and should be alarmed at the rise in ageist language that equates aging with infirmity, and images of politicians racing walkers or a walker with the presidential seal.  Ken Covinsky reminds us that we should not be making a diagnosis based on what we see on TV, and that if a patient’s daughter expressed a concern that their parent “wasn’t right,” we would conduct an in depth evaluation that might last an hour.  Eric Widera reminds us of the history of the Goldwater Act created by the American Psychological Association in the 1960s which states that psychiatrists should refrain from diagnosing public figures, and the American Medical Association code of ethics which likewise discourages armchair diagnosis (rule established in 2017).
We frame today’s discussion around questions our listeners proposed in response to our Tweets, and are grateful for questions from Anand Iyer, Sandra Shi, Mike Wasserman, Ariela Orkaby, Karen Knops, Jeanette Leardi, Sarah McKiddy, Cecilia Poon, Colleen Christmas, and Kai Smith. We talk about positive aspects of aging, cognitive screening, the line between legitimate concerns and ageism, ableism, advice for a geriatrician asked to comment on TV, frailty and physical disability, images in the press, historical situations including , and an upper age limit for the Presidency, among other issues.
Of note, we talk about candidates from all parties today.  We acknowledge concerns and speculation that others have raised about candidates across the political spectrum, current and former.  We do not endorse or disclose our personal attitudes toward any particular candidate.  Fitness for public office is a non-partisan issue that applies to all candidates for office, regardless of political party.
There’s something happening here, and what it is ain’t exactly clear.
Strong recommendation to also listen to this terrific podcast with another geriatrician all star, Jim Pacala, on MPR!
-@AlexSmithMD
 

In May we did a podcast on KidneyPal (the integration of palliative care in renal disease), which made us think, hmmm… one organ right next door is the liver. Maybe we should do a podcast on LiverPal? (or should we call it HepatoPal?)
On today’s podcast, we do that by inviting four palliative care leaders who are integrating palliative care into the care of those with liver disease: Kirsten Engel, Sarah Gillespie-Heyman, Brittany Waterman, and Amy Johnson.
It’s a jampacked 50 minutes, filled with pearls on taking care of patients with liver disease.  We cover:
How each of their LiverPal teams are structured
Why and how LiverPal differ from general palliative care or other palliative care specialty areas (KidneyPal, PalliPulm, etc)
How to prognosticate in liver disease and how they communicate this with patients
How to think about expectations of transplants and limitations of it
How to manage complications and symptoms ranging from ascites, hepatic encephalopathy, pain, itching, cramps, and depression
Also, if you want to take an ever deeper dive, check out our 2022 podcast on End Stage Liver Disease with Jen Lai, Ricky Shinall, Nneka Ufere, and Arpan Patel

“Anxiety is a lot like a toddler. It never stops talking, tells you you’re wrong about everything, and wakes you up at 3 a.m.”  I’m not sure who wrote this quote, but it feels right to me. We’ve all had anxiety, and probably all recognize that anxiety can be a force of action or growth but can also spiral to quickly take over our lives and our sleep. How, though, do we navigate anxiety and help our patients who may end up in the anxiety spiral that becomes so hard to get out of?
On today’s podcast, we’ve invited Alex Gamble and Brianna Williamson to talk to us about anxiety. Alex is a triple-boarded (palliative care, internal medicine, and psychiatry) assistant professor of medicine at Stanford. Brianna is one of UCSF’s palliative care fellows who just completed her psychiatry residency.
We start by defining anxiety (harder said than done), move on to talking about when it becomes maladaptive or pathologic, and how DSM5 fits into all of this. We then walk through how we should screen for anxiety and how we should think about a differential.  Lastly, we talk about both non-pharmacologic and pharmacologic treatments.
It’s a lot to cover in 45 minutes, so for those who like to take a deeper dive, here are some of the references we talked about:
Alex Sable-Smith’s great BATHE video on YouTube: 
Two books that Alex Gamble often recommends to patients can help build up your capacities to sit with anxiety (per Alex, both are from an Acceptance and Commitment Therapy framework)
Things Might Go Terribly, Horribly Wrong: A Guide to Life Liberated from Anxiety
The Reality Slap
 

I have to start with the song.  On our last podcast about urinary incontinence the song request was, “Let it go.”  This time around several suggestions were raised.  Eric suggested, “Even Flow,” by Pearl Jam.  Someone else suggested, “Under Pressure,” but we’ve done it already.  We settled on, “Oops…I did it again,” by Britney Spears.
In some ways the song title captures part of the issue with urinary incontinence.  If only we lived in a world in which much of urinary incontinence was viewed as a natural part of aging, the normal response wasn’t embarrassment and shame, but rather an ordinary, “Oops…I did it again.”  And if only we lived in a world in which this issue, which affects half of older women and a third of older men, received the research and attention it deserves. We shouldn’t have therapeutic nihilism about those who seek treatment, yet urinary incontinence is woefully understudied relative to its frequency and impact, and as we talk about on the podcast, basic questions about urinary incontinence have yet to be addressed. I don’t see those perspectives as incompatible.
Today we talk with George Kuchel and Alison Huang about:
Urinary incontinence as a geriatric syndrome and relationship to frailty, disability, and cognitive decline
Assessment of incontinence: the importance of a 48 hour voiding diary, when to send a UA (only for acute changes)
How the assessment leads naturally to therapeutic approaches
Non-pharmacologic approaches including distraction, scheduled voiding, and pelvic floor therapy
“Last ditch” pharmacologic treatments. 
Landmark studies by Neil Resnick and Joe Ouslander.  
Enjoy!
-@AlexSmithMD