194 episodes

The purpose of the Hole in My Heart Podcast is to explore how the gospel is good news for everyone every day. Most often, teacher and author, Laurie Krieg, licensed therapist and "argyle expert," Matt Krieg, and producer and "the most professional radio voice among us," Steve, all engage where the gospel intersects sexuality and gender. Mostly? The trio and their guests seek to place the sexuality/gender conversation in the midst of other real-life stories of the practical, gritty good news of the gospel.

To learn more about Laurie and Matt Krieg visit www.lauriekrieg.com.

Hole in My Heart Podcast Laurie and Matt Krieg

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The purpose of the Hole in My Heart Podcast is to explore how the gospel is good news for everyone every day. Most often, teacher and author, Laurie Krieg, licensed therapist and "argyle expert," Matt Krieg, and producer and "the most professional radio voice among us," Steve, all engage where the gospel intersects sexuality and gender. Mostly? The trio and their guests seek to place the sexuality/gender conversation in the midst of other real-life stories of the practical, gritty good news of the gospel.

To learn more about Laurie and Matt Krieg visit www.lauriekrieg.com.

    Episode 91 Take Two: Broken + Beloved Pastors with Ben and Lauren Schulke

    Episode 91 Take Two: Broken + Beloved Pastors with Ben and Lauren Schulke

    We are thrilled to be revisiting the Broken and Beloved Pastors series! In the next three episodes, we’ll hear the stories of three pastors who are, like all of us, “more loved than we can imagine and more sinful than we believe.”

    What happens when a pastor wrestles with gender dysphoria?

    What happens when the same pastor is called to bring that wrestling into the light, in his marriage and with his community?

    What happens to his ministry? To his marriage? To his identity?

    Ben and Lauren Schulke answer these questions and more as they recount their story with us. We are honored to share it with you.

    I Highlights I

    “I very much tried to control the image of how people saw me. But . . . when people know me they can choose to love me and not some facsimile.” –Ben Schulke

    “I got to this place where I said, ‘I would rather be obedient to God than preserve something temporary–like my job.'”–Ben Schulke

    “Ben’s identity is not gender dysphoria. His identity is not whatever other sin or brokenness he is dealing with. That’s not who he is. He is a son of God, and he is loved by Him.” –Lauren Schulke

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    For more on this conversation, check out Mark Yarhouse’s book Emerging Gender Identities! It’s exciting stuff. :D https://www.amazon.com/Emerging-Gender-Identities-Understanding-Experiences/dp/1587434342

    You can also check out Preston Sprinkle’s book on trans* issues, Embodied. https://www.amazon.com/Embodied-Transgender-Identities-Church-Bible/dp/0830781226

    Have you seen our new favorite Bible yet? Check it out here! https://csbholylandillustratedbible.com

    Follow Laurie on Instagram for more ministry updates! https://www.instagram.com/laurie_krieg/?hl=en

    • 56 min
    Episode 99 Take Two: A Gender Conversation with Heather Skriba

    Episode 99 Take Two: A Gender Conversation with Heather Skriba

    The gender conversation today is swirling with confusion and hurt for everyone involved.

    How do we as Christians enter into this conversation?

    Today, we revisit a conversation with Heather Skriba, who, having wrestled with gender dysphoria her whole life, has a compassionate and truthful perspective on this issue.

    We’re thrilled to share this episode once again! Join us!

    I Highlights I

    “God never just settles for salvation. He is truly redeeming everything.” -Heather Skriba

    “There are people in my life that didn’t call me by name for two years, and by extension, didn’t use a pronoun when referring to me … How can you expect to have any trust or relational equity built if you are not even willing to refer to someone in a way that distinguishes them as human?”
–Heather Skriba

    “I didn’t know how to let God into the painful, hurting, and dark places of my heart–not just gender– but anxiety, codependency, insecurity, and self hatred. I didn’t know how to access the heart of God in those places … I think that is something that is really missing from a lot of relationships when people try to walk with LGBT people and LGBT Christians.” –Heather Skriba

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    For more on this conversation, check out Mark Yarhouse’s book Emerging Gender Identities! It’s exciting stuff. :D https://www.amazon.com/Emerging-Gender-Identities-Understanding-Experiences/dp/1587434342

    Have you seen our new favorite Bible yet? Check it out here! https://csbholylandillustratedbible.com

    Join our Facebook group for more updates! https://www.facebook.com/groups/himhpodcast

    • 1 hr 4 min
    Episode 83 Take Two: Sexuality and Shame with Dan Allender

    Episode 83 Take Two: Sexuality and Shame with Dan Allender

    So often, sexuality brings shame right on its heels.

    How can we banish it? How can we heal?

    Join us today as we revisit this conversation with Dr. Dan Allender to learn how stepping into the light and grace of Jesus can heal our shame when it comes to sexuality.

    ***Heads up: We do address sexual trauma in this episode, though not graphically. If this is part of your story or that of someone close to you, please take care of yourself and listen with caution.***

    I Highlights I

    “The return on investment for the kingdom of darkness is profound in regard to abuse. [It] disintegrates some level of our faith, our ability to trust, our ability to dream and hope, and certainly our ability to give delight and pleasure to one another.” –Dan Allender

    “I think contempt is our way to manage shame with a level of control that annihilates ourselves so we don’t feel, so we don’t want, so we don’t risk. Contempt is really just another form of self-hatred that allows us to lessen the experience of shame.” –Dan Allender

    “I’ve seen it literally thousands of times: People who enter the truth and allow their hearts to receive kindness … that’s the context for the Spirit of God to bring about remarkable change.” –Dan Allender

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    Check out Dan’s books!
    * *Healing the Wounded Heart*: https://www.amazon.com/Healing-Wounded-Heart-Heartache-Transformation/dp/0801015685/ref=sr_1_1?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIuKW167mj4gIVr__jBx1WqA6aEAAYAiAAEgKOSPD_BwE&hvadid=174217451664&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9017520&hvnetw=g&hvpos=1t2&hvqmt=e&hvrand=15049734708914584592&hvtargid=kwd-2871614828&hydadcr=24629_9648897&keywords=healing+the+wounded+heart&qid=1558126587&s=gateway&sr=8-1
    * *God Loves Sex*: https://www.amazon.com/God-Loves-Sex-Conversation-Holiness/dp/0801015669/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=god+loves+sex&qid=1558126633&s=gateway&sr=8-1

    While you’re at it, head over to the Allender Center for more resources and information! https://theallendercenter.org/

    Looking for more podcasts? The Allender Center has a good one. https://theallendercenter.org/category/podcast/

    For ministries updates from Laurie and the Crew, join our Facebook group! https://www.facebook.com/groups/himhpodcast

    Have you seen our new favorite Bible yet? Check it out here! https://csbholylandillustratedbible.com

    • 43 min
    Episode 82 Take Two: How to Lament with Mark Vroegop

    Episode 82 Take Two: How to Lament with Mark Vroegop

    As Laurie says, “We’re kind of lament-obsessed around here.”

    It’s true. And it made running this episode a second time an easy choice for this series.

    Since the first time this episode ran, there is still pain and brokenness in our lives, and we need a place to take it. Cue Mark Vroegop, ushering us to the feet of Jesus with this spiritual practice that truly has revolutionized our lives.

    Will you lament with us today?

    I Highlights I

    “People who know how to lament are comfortable with saying less or nothing. They intuitively have a heart that is oriented toward empathy. They don’t panic when their friend says something that is edgy or a little scary.” –Mark Vroegop

    “Lament is not just crying. Lament is talking to God about what causes the crying.” –Mark Vroegop

    “One out of every three songs in the official songbook of God’s people–songs that had music and were sung–reflect this sort of minor key [lament] tune. We are not only unfamiliar with lament, but our churches are generally lament-light.” –Mark Vroegop

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    Check out Mark’s book, *Dark Clouds, Deep Mercy: Discovering the Grace of Lament* here: http://markvroegop.com/books/

    Want more of Mark Vroegop? Read some of his articles here!
    * “Strong Churches Speak the Language of Lament” on Gospel Coalition: https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/strong-churches-lanuage-lament/
    * “Dare to Hope in God: How to Lament Well” on Desiring God: https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/dare-to-hope-in-god

    For more on lament, listen to Laurie’s “How to Lament in the Face of Pushback” talk here: https://soundcloud.com/laurie-krieg/bonus-facing-the-unthinkable-talk

    Also, to learn about Safe Place Prayer, find Matt’s thoughts here: https://soundcloud.com/laurie-krieg/bonus-safe-place-prayer-with-matt

    Have you seen our new favorite Bible yet? Check it out here! https://csbholylandillustratedbible.com

    Join our Facebook group for more updates! https://www.facebook.com/groups/himhpodcast

    • 36 min
    Episode 64 Take Two: Exploring Our Souls of Shame with Curt Thompson

    Episode 64 Take Two: Exploring Our Souls of Shame with Curt Thompson

    Welcome to TAKE TWO of Exploring Our Souls of Shame!

    Rerunning this episode was an obvious choice because we *all* deal with shame.

    Curt Thompson beautifully describes not only the experience of shame, but also its antidote: Jesus.

    Join us as we learn resilience and joy in this brilliant conversation!

    I Highlights I

    “The gospel–if it is good news–does not begin with ‘I am more sinful than I believe.’ It begins, in fact, with ‘I am more loved than I can imagine.’ It is in that space of being loved incessantly, relentlessly, that we become aware just how sinful we are.” –Dr. Curt Thompson, M.D.

    “God–even in His pursuit–He is not going to shame us. He is not going to twist my arm. He is not going to shame me for not having my shame cleaned up well enough. He is going to relentlessly pursue me.” –Dr. Curt Thompson, M.D.

    “The healing of shame is not just a way for us to not longer feel bad about ourselves. It’s a way to re-commission us to do the work of goodness and beauty that God has had for us since before the creation of the world.” –Dr. Curt Thompson, M.D.

    I Do the Next Thing I

    Check out Curt’s book, the *Soul of Shame.* https://www.amazon.com/Soul-Shame-Retelling-Stories-Ourselves/dp/0830844333

    Want to learn more about shame? Listen to our other episodes on it here!
    - Episode 155: Getting to the Root of Porn in a Time of Turmoil with Michael John Cusick - https://lauriekrieg.com/podcast/getting-to-the-root-of-porn-in-a-time-of-turmoil-with-michael-john-cusick/
    - Episode 164: The Spiritual Garden with Carolyn Schroeder - https://lauriekrieg.com/podcast/the-spiritual-garden-with-carolyn-schroeder/
    - Episode 166: The Emotional Garden with Peace Amadi - https://lauriekrieg.com/podcast/the-spiritual-garden-with-carolyn-schroeder/
    - Episode 173: Marriage and Mental Health with Aaron and Jamie Ivey - https://lauriekrieg.com/podcast/marriage-and-mental-health-with-aaron-jamie-ivey/
    - Episode 83: Sexuality and Shame with Dan Allender - https://lauriekrieg.com/podcast/sexuality-and-shame-with-dan-allender/
    - Episode 82: How to Lament with Mark Vroegop - https://lauriekrieg.com/podcast/how-to-lament-with-mark-vroegop/

    Are you liking this series? Have thoughts about this episode? Email us at lk@lauriekrieg.com.

    Have you seen our new favorite Bible yet? Check it out here! https://csbholylandillustratedbible.com

    Follow Laurie on Instagram for more ministry updates! https://www.instagram.com/laurie_krieg/?hl=en

    • 43 min
    Episode 24 Take Two: Is There Hope for Us? with Matt and Laurie Krieg

    Episode 24 Take Two: Is There Hope for Us? with Matt and Laurie Krieg

    Welcome to the first episode of our Take Two series!

    It was so hard to choose episodes to highlight over the past four (FOUR?!) seasons, but we’ve narrowed it down to a few that we’ll show you over the next several weeks.

    This episode discusses Chapter 5 of Francis and Lisa Chan’s book, *You and Me Forever*, as well as some of the good and hard of Matt and Laurie’s own story!

    Get ready for a good one guys, we’re excited to revisit this!

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    You can check out *You and Me Forever* by
    Francis and Lisa Chan at this link! https://www.youandmeforever.org

    Hear more of Laurie and Matt’s story in *An Impossible Marriage*. Find the book at this link! https://lauriekrieg.com/product/an-impossible-marriage-what-our-mixed-orientation-marriage-has-taught-us-about-love-and-the-gospel/

    You can also check out Laurie’s story on Remnant Radio and the Happy Hour podcasts!
    * The Remnant Radio: https://luminarypodcasts.com/listen/the-remnant-radio/the-remnant-radios-podcast/christian-discuss-lgbtq-subjects-with-laurie-krieg/41bf747e-2cec-4218-acd6-860419d9e3b5
    * The Happy Hour: https://jamieivey.com/hh363/

    Here are a few of the episodes that were “Runner’s Up” for our favorites!
    * Episode 111: Can’t We All Just Get Along with David Bennet - https://lauriekrieg.com/podcast/cant-we-all-just-get-along/
    * Episode 167: The Social Garden with Greg Coles - https://lauriekrieg.com/podcast/the-social-garden-with-greg-coles/
    * Episode 107: Why Male Friendships are Challenging with Sam and Blaine Eldredge - https://lauriekrieg.com/podcast/why-male-friendships-are-challenging/
    * Episode 152: Are Women Responsible for Male Lust? with Rachel Joy Welcher - https://lauriekrieg.com/podcast/are-women-responsible-for-male-lust-with-rachel-joy-welcher/
    * Episode 96: Healthy Community (& Touch) As a Single Person with Meg Baatz - https://lauriekrieg.com/podcast/healthy-community-and-touch-as-a-single-person/
    * Episode 157: Gen Z’s Sex, Marriage, and Singleness Questions with Sean McDowell - https://lauriekrieg.com/podcast/gen-zs-sex-marriage-and-singleness-questions-with-sean-mcdowell/

    Do you need “a friend in the trenches”? Sign up for a coaching session with Laurie here! https://lauriekrieg.com/product/one-coaching-session-with-laurie/

    Also, have you seen our new favorite Bible yet? Check it out here! https://csbholylandillustratedbible.com

    • 43 min

Customer Reviews

4.8 out of 5
191 Ratings

191 Ratings

Drewwozz ,

Highly Recommend - Like Family :)

I've been listening to HIMH for several years now and have loved the authenticity to opening up their lives and hearts in a way that brings vulnerability and transformation by talking about important, relevant and sometimes challenging things. Laurie, Matt and Steve are great and I feel like they are close friends from the many episodes I've listened :) Through primarily talking about things related to sexuality and gender (though many more topics as well) they process what it means to follow Jesus and walk alongside others in loving and discipling them. I have been encouraged and challenged and educated through the podcast to love God and love others more - highly recommend!!!

APNC723 ,

Too chatty

Love the content but wish they would just get to the good content rather than wasting the first 15 minutes chatting pointlessly. Could definitely do without goofball island et al.

thoughtenthusiast ,

Yes, please, and thank you!

This might be the kind of show that you really don’t know what to do with. It’s not based off of a popular or comfortable belief or biblical philosophy that many people want to hear or live by. You might actually 100% disagree with their perspective and teaching. But even if that is the case, hear them out! Challenge your worldview and beliefs. These guys are not here to hurt, hate, or induce shame. Their desire is to point people toward hope during hard times and the difficult places we all find ourselves in life. Laurie and Mat share their unique walk in life and their desire to be faithful to God no matter what. Even when culture at large, fellow believers, and their own hearts buck against what Jesus says in His word, they seek out truth, and share what they are learning on their journey.

When it comes to sexuality, gender, and the intersection of believing in Jesus, the atmosphere is very harsh. And conversations feel as though they aren’t allowed to be had. Views and perspectives that don’t mimic what our immediate disposition, beliefs, or opinions are quickly dismissed and deemed as hateful. Whether you are side A or B or just really not into faith/religions, at the very least you can hear this insightful look at the often ignored voices on this topic. Consider it a blessing and or a challenge. A reinforcement and conviction of things you hold to be true as a Jesus follower, or a perspective to be understood and people to be seen that makes you uncomfortable in that growing kind of way.

I’m very thankful to have come across this podcast! Thank you for talking about all these hard things- with a perspective that challenges assumptions and makes people think harder about what it means to love and follow Jesus.

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