Episode 68: Indiana Democratic Party Chair Candidate Profile: Jennifer McCormick Full show notes at https://hoosleft.us/ https://www.facebook.com/mccormickforgov/ Welcome to the HoosLeft Podcast, a show about Indiana politics, history, and culture from the unapologetic perspective of the social democratic left. My name is Scott Aaron Rogers, and I’m recording from Bloomington. Every year four years, in the March after a presidential election, Indiana Democrats reorganize, electing new leadership at the county, district, and state levels. Both major parties undertake this process, at roughly the same time, all over the country. Here, on the first Saturday of the month, precinct chairs and vice chairs - the neighborhood captains that make up the volunteer base of the party - caucus in their respective county seats and elect a Chair, Vice Chair, Secretary, and Treasurer for the county. The following weekend, the newly-elected County Chair and Vice Chair from each of the counties caucus with their peers at the Congressional District level - there are nine in Indiana - to elect a District Chair, Vice Chair, Secretary, and Treasurer. Finally, on the third Saturday in March, the State Central Committee - consisting of those freshly-elected District Chairs and Vice Chairs, as well as Indiana’s handful of DNC members and representatives from the various constituency groups (College Democrats, African-American Caucus, Latino Caucus, Stonewall Dems, Young Democrats, Labor Caucus, Women’s Caucus - gathers in Indianapolis to choose the State Chair, Vice Chair, Secretary, and Treasurer and for the next four years. Now, it would make sense to me if the new state leaders then gathered to choose national leadership at the DNC, but that election will be held on February 1. Regardless, just keeping it inside the state lines, this is very much a bottom-up process - the base chooses their leadership, who choose the next level up, and so on. But, once elected, the State Chair has a great deal of latitude to affect the direction of the party. So, as rank-and-file Hoosier Democrats go about selecting their county-level leadership, they need to think about the people those leaders will turn around and vote for over the following two weekends. One of the people looking to set a new course for the Indiana Democratic Party should be familiar to HoosLeft listeners. Dr. Jennifer McCormick began her career as a special education teacher, later teaching middle school language arts, before becoming principal of Yorktown Elementary School. Three years later, she became the assistant superintendent of Yorktown Community schools and was selected as superintendent three years after that, earning her PhD from Indiana State while serving in that role. In 2016, McCormick, then a Republican, was elected Indiana Superintendent of Public Instruction. After one term spent clashing with her own party in the statehouse, GOP lawmakers eliminated the position and McCormick began campaigning for Democrats, finally switching party affiliation in 2021. This past year, she was Indiana’s Democratic gubernatorial nominee, losing to a bag of shit wrapped in a blue shirt by a little more than 13 points. The first time Dr. McCormick stopped by HoosLeft, the aforementioned shitbag - Mike Braun used an out-of-context clip from the interview to paint the moderate McCormick as “hopelessly liberal,” and misspelled the name of our show wrong to boot. Sorry you had to see my face every time you turned on the TV last October. Let’s see what kind of fodder they can mine from this conversation. Last year, we had a wide ranging discussion about reproductive freedom, “woke” culture, legal weed, the US-Mexico border, China, policing, and climate change. This time, I’ve only got a few questions: why do Hoosier Democrats keep losing? What do they need to do differently to start winning? And why are you the person to best lead the party there? Before we turn to the interview, I want to thank all of you for your support for this project, especially those who have made the leap with a paid subscription. Your contributions have helped me make meaningful connections with fascinating people from across Indiana, and beyond. We are building a network of Hoosiers dedicated to making this state, and its government, work for all of us, not just the wealthy and connected few. I have so much more to give you, this community, and Indiana’s future, but the reality is I need financial support to do this work. All I’m asking is $5 a month, or $50 a year, to help me write more, research more, organize more, and keep improving HoosLeft. Improvements like our own domain, where it’s now much easier to find us. 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Cited in the Interview Abortion Rights Support Didn’t Translate to Democratic Votes: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/abortion-rights-exit-poll-kamala-harris-2024/ Democratic Favorability Only 33%: https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/19/politics/democrats-party-change-cnn-poll/index.html Unions Drifting Republican: https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/10/politics/trump-blue-collar-workers-analysis/index.html Police Union Reacts to January 6 Pardons: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/22/trump-january-6-pardons-police-union Republicans Better at Messaging: https://www.messageboxnews.com/p/why-democrats-are-losing-the-messaging UNFTR Non-Negotiables: https://www.unftr.com/blog/housing-first Some Democrats Support Charter Schools: https://www.wfyi.org/news/articles/six-indianapolis-politicians-urge-ips-to-share-resources-with-charter-schools Indiana Republicans Have More Resources: https://indianacapitalchronicle.com/2024/10/16/statewide-republicans-outraise-outspend-opponents-in-latest-campaign-finance-filings/ Democratic Donors Wanted Antitrust Enforcer Fired: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/two-billionaire-harris-donors-hope-she-will-fire-ftc-chair-lina-khan-2024-07-26/ How Democrats Got Branded as the Party of Elites: https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/democratic-party-dealignment-left-adrift-hollow-parties/ McCormick a Solid Fundraiser: https://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/10/15/spending-gap-thins-between-mike-braun-and-jennifer-mccormick-for-governor/75688024007/ An Example of a State with a Democratic Toolkit: https://ildems.com/toolkit Wikler, Martin DNC Chair Frontrunners: https://www.democracydocket.com/analysis/dnc-chair-candidates-on-2024-election-what-theyd-do-differently-moving-forward/ Once again, that was Jennifer McCormick, former State Superintendent of Public Instruction, last year’s Democratic candidate for governor, and current candidate to chair the Indiana Democratic Party. Living in a captured, gerrymandered, rigged, so-called red state like ours can be frustrating, maddening, and heartbreaking. And even though our state’s overwhelmingly-Republican elected leaders continue to pursue policies unpopular with the majority of Indiana, Hoosiers keep re-electing them. It is a testament to how badly the Democratic brand is tarnished that this GOP clown car can roll down the Circle City’s pot-hole ravaged streets, pull into the VIP spot at the capitol, and drop off a supermajority of cronies, fundies, and grifters like clockwork every two years. Democrats are about as popular in Indiana as the New England Patriots, without all the winning. But here’s the deal, for all of the right-wing whackadoodles sitting in the Indiana General Assembly, and there are many, it is some powerful machinery driving that clown car - just think of the horsepower (and by horsepower, I mean vast amounts of cash) needed to drag such unwieldy assortment of lunatics to consistent, resounding victory. What I think Dr. McCormick’s argument comes down to is this: Republicans will ALWAYS have a financial advantage. Democrats don’t need to out-raise them, but need enough to build a well-run, cohesive, professional organization. Democrats start from the position of being right on the issues, so that’s a whole bunch of the legwork right there. One thing she brings to the table that none of the other candidates in this race can offer is the experience of having seen what’s going on under the hood of the Republican clown car. Issues aside, she knows how a competent, well-run, state political party in Indiana is supposed to function operationally. Ken Martin in Minnesota and Ben Wikler in Wisconsin show that Democrats can win, can come back from the deepest depths with the right leadership. I don’t know if Jennifer McCormick is the right person to lead the Indiana Democratic Party at this time. I don’t know if I’ll endorse anybody in this contest - I am in conversation with the other candidates, still trying to nail down times. I will say this: it is often said that getting liberals on the same page is like herding cats. Outside of, say, Democratic Party chair, I can’t imagine a more “herding cats” job than school superintendent. That’s a lot of constituencies, a lot of moving parts, all trying to keep thousands of kids on the right track educationally, emotionally, and socially. Last thing: Since the Democratic coalition is so diverse, the tent so large, the cats so…catty, Dr. McCormick and I talked about non-negotiable positions - a set of core principles on which we can all align. Now, she gave some general areas on which to focus and not a hard, set positio