Living Off Rentals

Kirby Atwell
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Living Off Rentals

We believe that a high quality rental property is the best investment a person can make. This podcast equips listeners to build a rental portfolio of their own. Each week host, Kirby Atwell, interviews someone who is living off rentals and identifies best practices, advice, and potential investing pitfalls to avoid!

  1. 1D AGO

    #283 - Build Wealth While Protecting Your Time: The Zen Investor’s Mindset - Jonathan Greene

    In this episode of Living Off Rentals, we're joined by a thought leader in the real estate investing space who has built a diverse and intentional portfolio, all while designing a lifestyle rooted in peace, purpose, and efficiency. Jonathan Greene is the host of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing and has been investing in real estate since his early twenties. Raised by a real estate-savvy father, Jonathan learned firsthand the power of buying smart and holding long-term. But for Jonathan, it’s never been just about building wealth: it’s about doing it without sacrificing time or values. In this wide-ranging conversation, listen as Jonathan shares how he developed what he calls “time freedom,” why he doesn’t answer phone calls, and how prioritizing self-care has made him a better investor.  Enjoy the show! Key Takeaways: [00:00] Introducing Jonathan Greene and his background [02:04] How he gets into the real estate investing world [03:23] The shift from old school to the updated way of investing [05:25] First deals, lipstick flips, and early career in law [09:49] How his background in law and art impacts his investing strategy [14:27] Being an asset hunter [20:16] His main deal source for his deals, especially in Main Street mixed-use [21:41] Hybrid development of Main Street [25:05] The Origin of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing [27:49] Why phone calls are the biggest time-wasters in business [32:49] Scheduling self-care and maintaining boundaries as an entrepreneur [35:34] Effective ways to prioritize things that are important as a real estate investor [41:55] Lifestyle architecture [43:58] How to build your investing network without being pushy [46:28] Why most new investors should stop rushing and start showing up [49:05] Outro Guest Links: Website: https://zenandtheartofrealestateinvesting.com/  Show Links: Living Off Rentals YouTube Channel – youtube.com/c/LivingOffRentals  Living Off Rentals YouTube Podcast Channel - youtube.com/c/LivingOffRentalsPodcast  Living Off Rentals Facebook Group – facebook.com/groups/livingoffrentals  Living Off Rentals Website – https://www.livingoffrentals.com/  Living Off Rentals Instagram – instagram.com/livingoffrentals  Living Off Rentals TikTok – tiktok.com/@livingoffrentals

    49 min

  2. JUL 9

    #282 - How to Choose the Right Financing for Your First (or Next) Real Estate Deal - Christian Bachelder

    Joining us in this episode of Living Off Rentals is someone who brings clarity to one of the most confusing parts of real estate investing: financing. Christian Bachelder is the co-founder of The One Brokerage and one of the most trusted lending advisors in the real estate investing space. He is a UC Berkeley graduate, and a former chemical engineer turned seasoned investor. He now helps others invest in real estate by connecting them with the right financing strategies. Listen as he breaks down the different types of loans available to investors—from traditional mortgages to DSCR and hard money loans—and how to use them strategically to grow your portfolio. We also talk about how to qualify for your first loan, when to use each lending product, the truth about BRRRR strategy funding, and why some “creative” financing methods may be more dangerous than they seem. Enjoy the show! Key Takeaways: [00:00] Introducing Christian Bachelder and his background [02:35] From being a chemical engineer to being an investor and real estate lending [04:55] The spark that ignited Christian’s obsession with real estate [08:38] Partnering with David Greene and building The 1 Brokerage [11:32] How to stay competitive with a large variety of multiple loan products [14:01] The three buckets of loans every investor should know [15:55] What is a DSCR Loan, and why do investors love it [19:27] How the BRRRR loan flow works [24:44] DSCR loan terms explained: Rates, down payments, and pitfalls [29:21] Three ways of calculating a rent [31:35] Talk to your lender first before anybody [32:48] Loan options for first-time investors [35:35] 5 proven ways to find down payment funds [43:00] Why good short-term rentals still win despite market noise [46:08] Two main things that encompass the creative financing world [52:58] Connect with Christian Bachelder Guest Links: Website: https://www.theonebrokerage.com/  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theonebrokerage/  Youtube Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/c/DavidGreeneRealEstate  Show Links: Living Off Rentals YouTube Channel – youtube.com/c/LivingOffRentals  Living Off Rentals YouTube Podcast Channel - youtube.com/c/LivingOffRentalsPodcast  Living Off Rentals Facebook Group – facebook.com/groups/livingoffrentals  Living Off Rentals Website – https://www.livingoffrentals.com/  Living Off Rentals Instagram – instagram.com/livingoffrentals  Living Off Rentals TikTok – tiktok.com/@livingoffrentals

    55 min

  3. JUL 2

    #281 - How to Scale a Rental Portfolio with $0 by Finding Overlooked Sellers - Daniel Kwak

    Joining us in this episode of Living Off Rentals is someone who proves that starting from scratch doesn’t mean staying stuck. Daniel Kwak is a real estate investor, coach, author, and one half of the renowned Kwak Brothers. By age 23, he and his brother had already syndicated over $10 million in real estate deals—but what makes Daniel’s journey remarkable is how it started: no money, no credit, and no connections. Yet in just one year, he scaled to 87 rental units. In this episode, Daniel shares exactly how he achieved financial freedom by focusing on overlooked sellers and creative strategies like seller financing. He also dives into the mindset, urgency, and resourcefulness investors need to succeed in today’s market. If you're looking for a game plan to start building a rental portfolio from the ground up, this is the episode to listen to. Enjoy the show!   Key Takeaways: [00:00] Introducing Daniel Kwak and his journey [04:26] The start of 'Kwak Brothers' [08:24] The power of urgency and how it fuels success [13:42] Understanding the unique economics behind your supply and demand [20:23] Starting the real estate journey with no money, no income, and terrible credit [23:03] Why seller financing was the key to Daniel’s first deals [26:13] How to find older landlords who are ideal for seller financing [31:32] The Reason why a lot of people fail [36:16] "Do it first." [39:18] The shiny object syndrome [49:57] Real estate opportunities to do something fun [56:27] A look at Daniel's week [58:38] Connect with Daniel Kwak   Guest Links: Website: https://thekwakbrothers.com Order Daniel’s book here: https://0to75units.com/book-order1587970091604       Show Links: Living Off Rentals YouTube Channel – youtube.com/c/LivingOffRentals   Living Off Rentals YouTube Podcast Channel - youtube.com/c/LivingOffRentalsPodcast   Living Off Rentals Facebook Group – facebook.com/groups/livingoffrentals   Living Off Rentals Website – https://www.livingoffrentals.com/   Living Off Rentals Instagram – instagram.com/livingoffrentals   Living Off Rentals TikTok – tiktok.com/@livingoffrentals

    1 hr

  4. JUN 25

    #280 - The Co-Host Model That Built a 130-Property STR Empire - Julie George

    Joining us in this episode of Living Off Rentals is someone who went from burnout in corporate sales to building and selling one of the most impressive short-term rental empires in the world. Julie George is the author of Million Dollar Host and the founder of a short-term rental business that scaled to 130 properties and generated $8 million in just three years. She did this through a unique co-hosting model where she scaled by empowering her team to take ownership within her business. In this episode, she breaks down how she turned a single Airbnb listing into an empire, the systems she put in place, the challenges she faced (including a story you won’t forget), and how she exited the business at the perfect time - right before COVID hit. Whether you're a short-term rental host, property manager, or investor, you'll walk away with invaluable insights from Julie’s honest and inspiring journey, along with practical strategies you can apply to your own STR business. Enjoy the show! Key Takeaways: [00:00] Introducing Julie George and her background [02:50] How she transitioned from real estate broker to STR entrepreneur [06:21] Her approach to the first potential property owners [09:12] Unique way of scaling your business [14:25] Training co-hosts and a hilarious lesson learned [17:12] What she would do differently if starting again today [25:18] Business valuation and selling a property management company [31:59] Create an LLC and put a management contract in place [34:11] Surviving COVID and the importance of being able to pivot [39:09] Success stories from her coaching clients [45:10] The power of industry community and collaboration [48:46] Connect with Julie George [51:18] Outro Guest Links: Website: https://www.milliondollarhost.com.au/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/milliondollarhost  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/julie-george-milliondollarhost  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/milliondollarhost/  Show Links: Living Off Rentals YouTube Channel – youtube.com/c/LivingOffRentals  Living Off Rentals YouTube Podcast Channel - youtube.com/c/LivingOffRentalsPodcast  Living Off Rentals Facebook Group – facebook.com/groups/livingoffrentals  Living Off Rentals Website – https://www.livingoffrentals.com/  Living Off Rentals Instagram – instagram.com/livingoffrentals  Living Off Rentals TikTok – tiktok.com/@livingoffrentals

    52 min

  5. JUN 18

    #279 - Inside the Assisted Living Model That Nets $40K/Month - Brett Chotkevys

    Joining us in this episode of Living Off Rentals is someone who is redefining the way investors think about real estate—and doing it in one of the country's most needed and profitable niches. Brett Chotkevys is the co-founder of Platinum Assisted Living Luxury and the creator of a revolutionary assisted living mansion model that blends top-tier residential luxury with world-class elder care. After flipping 200+ homes, Brett transitioned to developing 16-bed luxury assisted living homes that generate $40,000 in monthly net income per facility. In this episode, Brett explains how assisted living became the next big opportunity for real estate investors, what sets his model apart, and how he helps others do the same—even with no prior medical background. If you’ve ever considered blending real estate, business, and purpose, you’ll want to hear this conversation. Enjoy the show! Key Takeaways: [00:00] Introducing Brett Chotkevys and his real estate background [03:10] Transitioning from house flipping to assisted living [07:03] Some of the lessons Brent learned from the flipping experience [10:20] Creating the “Assisted Living Mansion” model [14:42] Licensing and zoning considerations by state [17:17] Assisted Living is different from a hospice house [20:11] What it costs to build and how SBA loans make it possible [26:52] The team, staffing, and operations behind the scenes [35:14] Marketing: How to keep a waitlist of residents [36:31] The Strategic 20 [40:36] Brett’s blueprint for those interested in getting started [43:28] Connect with Brett Chotkevys Guest Links: Website:  https://www.assistedlivingmansion.com/  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/assistedlivingmansion/  Show Links: Living Off Rentals YouTube Channel – youtube.com/c/LivingOffRentals  Living Off Rentals YouTube Podcast Channel - youtube.com/c/LivingOffRentalsPodcast  Living Off Rentals Facebook Group – facebook.com/groups/livingoffrentals  Living Off Rentals Website – https://www.livingoffrentals.com/  Living Off Rentals Instagram – instagram.com/livingoffrentals  Living Off Rentals TikTok – tiktok.com/@livingoffrentals

    46 min

  6. JUN 11

    #278 - How to Use Accelerated Depreciation to Save Thousands on Taxes - Dawn Polin

    Joining us on this episode of Living Off Rentals is someone who helps rental property investors unlock huge tax savings through accelerated depreciation. Dawn Polin is a Certified Public Accountant (CPA) with over 20 years of experience, including managing the cost segregation practice at a large CPA firm.  Today, she’s the Managing Director of Rental Property Refund, a platform that simplifies and automates accelerated depreciation studies so everyday investors can take full advantage of this powerful tax strategy. Listen as she explains what cost segregation is, how this strategy can dramatically reduce your tax burden and even offset W-2 income, and what’s on the horizon for bonus depreciation laws. Enjoy the show! Key Takeaways: [00:00] Introducing Dawn Polin and her background [01:33] Dawn's background and her journey into tax strategy [02:08] What is Cost Segregation and why does it matter? [03:23] The step-by-step cost segregation process [06:45] Strategies people use to offset asset depreciation [08:25] The difference between short-term and long-term rentals [09:44] Long-term rentals are going to be passive [12:50] Streamlining with rental property refund [14:42] Common mistakes real estate investors make  Guest Links / Special Links: Get 10% off on Rental Property Refund's tax tool by checking out their free webinar below ⬇️  https://rentalpropertyrefund.com/aff-wh-refersion.php?rfsn=8663927.c9edf7 Plus, get an extra $150 off by using the promo code KIRBY150, exclusively for the Living Off Rentals community.  Website: https://rentalpropertyrefund.com/  Show Links: Living Off Rentals YouTube Channel – youtube.com/c/LivingOffRentals  Living Off Rentals YouTube Podcast Channel - youtube.com/c/LivingOffRentalsPodcast  Living Off Rentals Facebook Group – facebook.com/groups/livingoffrentals  Living Off Rentals Website – https://www.livingoffrentals.com/  Living Off Rentals Instagram – instagram.com/livingoffrentals  Living Off Rentals TikTok – tiktok.com/@livingoffrentals

    27 min

  7. JUN 4

    #277 - The EASIEST Financing Option for Short Term Rental Investors: DSCR Loans - Jay Anderson

    Joining us on this episode of Living Off Rentals is someone who’s helped Kirby secure five different DSCR loans over the past year and a half.  Jay Anderson is a lender with Visio Lending, a company that specializes in DSCR loans for investment properties.  A DSCR (Debt Service Coverage Ratio) loan allows investors to qualify based on a property’s income—not their personal income.  It’s a great option for self-employed investors, those without W2 income, or anyone looking to scale without hitting debt-to-income limits. As an active investor himself, Jay knows what it takes to get deals done, especially in today’s market.  In this episode, he breaks down how DSCR loans work, what it takes to qualify, and why they’re such a powerful tool for scaling your portfolio.  You’ll also learn about how DSCR loans can supercharge your BRRRR strategy and common pitfalls to avoid when applying for financing.  Enjoy the show! Key Takeaways: [00:00] Introducing Jay Anderson and his background [02:18] Getting into real estate lending [05:20] What are DSCR loans? [08:30] Qualifications for DSCR loans [13:19] Biggest reasons people get denied financing [20:20] Basic terms for DSCR loan [26:24] Jay's recommendation in terms of financing for someone who wants to do the BRRRR strategy [31:24] Location and type of property most profitable for investors [33:40] His advice for new real estate investors [38:33] Connect with Jay Anderson [39:44] Outro Guest Links: Website: https://visiolending.com/ae-directory/jay-anderson/ Email: jay.anderson@visiolending.com  Contact Number: 737-910-2344 Show Links: Living Off Rentals YouTube Channel – youtube.com/c/LivingOffRentals  Living Off Rentals YouTube Podcast Channel - youtube.com/c/LivingOffRentalsPodcast  Living Off Rentals Facebook Group – facebook.com/groups/livingoffrentals  Living Off Rentals Website – https://www.livingoffrentals.com/  Living Off Rentals Instagram – instagram.com/livingoffrentals  Living Off Rentals TikTok – tiktok.com/@livingoffrentals

    40 min

  8. MAY 28

    #276 - How to Turn Failure into Freedom with Real Estate Investing - Matt Aitchison

    Joining us on this episode of Living Off Rentals is Matt Aitchison — a hotelier, investor, and host of the Millionaire Mindcast podcast — whose journey through adversity is nothing short of remarkable. After hitting rock bottom in college and spending time in jail, Matt made a pivotal decision to transform his life. He went on to flip hundreds of homes, build a massive single-family portfolio, and is now scaling a commercial and hospitality real estate empire as CEO of Imagos Hospitality Group. Matt shares how he learned to fail forward, using early setbacks as fuel for success. He and Kirby dive into his transition from single-family rentals to commercial properties, the power of mentorship, and the creative financing strategies he's using to close deals in today’s challenging market. Key Takeaways: [01:00] Introducing Matt Aitchison and his background [02:00] The two types of people when facing adversities and setbacks [08:06] Getting a mentor as a real estate investor [13:59] If you want extraordinary results, be willing to do extraordinary things [17:49] Transition from single-family rentals to commercial real estate investing [23:23] There's a bull market in any bear market [24:17] Season of seller finance [31:22] The beauty of commercial real estate [36:45] The journey of real estate investing is every deal is going to have challenges [43:12] Real estate slowly becomes less about their money, and more about solving problems [48:10] Connect with Matt Aitchison [49:18] Outro Guest Links: Website: https://www.mattaitchison.com/ Imagos Group: https://www.imagosgroup.com/ Millionaire Mindcast Podcast: https://www.millionairemindcast.com/  Wise Investor Collective Mastermind Group: https://wiseinvestorcollective.com/ Show Links:  Living Off Rentals YouTube Channel -https://www.youtube.com/c/LivingOffRentals Living Off Rentals Facebook Group -www.facebook.com/groups/livingoffrentals Living Off Rentals Website -www.livingoffrentals.com Living Off Rentals Instagram -www.instagram.com/livingoffrentals Living Off Rentals TikTok - www.tiktok.com/@livingoffrentals

    50 min
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We believe that a high quality rental property is the best investment a person can make. This podcast equips listeners to build a rental portfolio of their own. Each week host, Kirby Atwell, interviews someone who is living off rentals and identifies best practices, advice, and potential investing pitfalls to avoid!

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  • Creator
    Kirby Atwell
  • Years Active
    2020 - 2025
  • Episodes
    100
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    © 2025 Living Off Rentals | Kirby Atwell
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    Living Off Rentals

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