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Macroeconomics has never been so ... delish! Macro and Cheese explores the progressive movement through the lens of Modern Monetary Theory, with hot and irreverent political takes, spotlights in activism, and the razor sharp musings of Real Progressives Founder and host Steve Grumbine. The cheese will flow as experts come in for a full, four course deep dive into the hot queso.

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Macro N Cheese Steve D Grumbine MS, MBA, PMP, PSM1, ITIL

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Macroeconomics has never been so ... delish! Macro and Cheese explores the progressive movement through the lens of Modern Monetary Theory, with hot and irreverent political takes, spotlights in activism, and the razor sharp musings of Real Progressives Founder and host Steve Grumbine. The cheese will flow as experts come in for a full, four course deep dive into the hot queso.

Comfort Food for Thought!

    Modern Monetary Theory and the European Project with Dirk Ehnts

    Modern Monetary Theory and the European Project with Dirk Ehnts

    Steve’s guest this week is Dirk Ehnts, a lecturer and author
    who specializes in modern monetary theory (MMT). They discuss Dirk's new book,
    "A Simple Guide to the Monetary System," which aims to simplify the
    often complex concepts of MMT.
    They discuss the significance of the Copernican turn to MMT,
    which refers to the shift in perspective that occurred during the COVID-19
    pandemic. Dirk explains that the massive increase in government spending and
    the lack of inflationary effects challenged conventional economic theories that
    had previously dismissed MMT.
    Dirk explains the theory behind inflation targeting and how
    it has failed to deliver on its promises of price stability and full
    employment. He also highlights the role of trade policy and income inequality
    in shaping economic outcomes, pointing out that these factors are often
    overlooked in favor of focusing solely on interest rates and inflation.

    The conversation shifts to the rise of the BRICS
    countries (Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa) and the geopolitical
    battles that have influenced international trade. They discuss the idea of
    losing faith in the US dollar as the primary world reserve currency and the
    potential impact on global trade.

    Dirk emphasizes that the public needs to understand how
    money and resources interact in order to find solutions to problems like
    climate change. He believes that as more people become aware of MMT and its
    potential policies, there will be a demand for change.

    Dirk Ehnts is a German heterodox economist.
    He is one of the leading proponents of Modern Monetary Theory in Europe. Ehnts
    is a member of the standing field committee History of Economic Thought of the
    German economists association. Every summer since 2016 Ehnts has held a course
    on MMT at the Summer School of Maastricht University. In February 2019, he
    organized the 1st European MMT Conference. He is also a lecturer at the MMT
    summer school at the University of Poznan in Poland.

    • 1 hr 6 min
    We the Poisoned: No One Will Save Us with Jordan Chariton

    We the Poisoned: No One Will Save Us with Jordan Chariton

    When corporations are guilty of poisoning the population, it is newsworthy. When state and local governments are complicit, it is newsworthy.  Yet the US media refuses to cover some of the most scandalous and tragic stories of our time, despite overwhelming evidence of corporate and government culpability.
    Jordan Chariton, CEO of Status Coup, has many years of experience working for both mainstream and independent news organizations. He and Steve discuss the media’s role in perpetuating the distorted narrative. If they’re not ignoring the facts, they’re misrepresenting them.  
    Jordan talks about his continuing coverage of the Flint water crisis and the East Palestine train derailment. He describes the case of Graphic Packaging International in Kalamazoo, Michigan, where a paper mill has been releasing deadly gases into a poor black community for decades. Despite complaints and environmental violations, the plant has not been shut down.
    He finds himself waging war on two fronts; after digging up the truth he struggles to get other media to help spread the information. He and Steve highlight the gatekeeping role of social media algorithms and clickbait in determining what news gets attention.
    Jordan also mentions his upcoming book, "We the Poisoned," which exposes the Flint water crisis cover-up and the poisoning of 100,000 Americans.
    Jordan Chariton, Status Coup CEO, is an independent progressive journalist who has worked inside and outside the belly of the corporate media beast for over a decade. He worked at Fox, MSNBC, and TYT, before starting Status Coup.
    @JordanChariton on Twitter
    @StatusCoup 

    • 1 hr 1 min
    How The West Was Lost with Thomas Fazi

    How The West Was Lost with Thomas Fazi

    **On Tuesday evening we’re gathering for a listening party and discussion of this episode of the podcast. Get the Zoom link here https://realprogressives.org/event/macro-n-chill-284/  
    If anyone still thinks adopting the Euro was a good idea, this episode should set you straight. 
    Writer and journalist Thomas Fazi joins Steve to talk about the critical issues surrounding the European project, beginning with elite reaction to the recent election of Marine Le Pen in France, which Thomas calls a script that, as an Italian, he has seen play out many times: 
    “And that is one where as soon as a “populist” or “anti-establishment” government comes into power, or has a good chance of coming to power, as Le Pen does now ... then the kind of democracy-proofing mechanisms of the European Union, and of the Euro, kick into action.” 
    Markets begin selling off the bonds of the country in question, in this case France, because they’re said to be spooked by the election results. The mainstream media frames this as the market’s natural reaction to “irresponsible” politicians gaining power.  

    “But in fact, this is a very simplistic narrative, because, as MMT teaches us, it's the central bank that ultimately controls the interest rates on the government bonds...markets can only spook governments and countries, and can only put [financial] pressure on countries, so long as a central bank allows markets to do it.”  
    The European Central Bank has every interest in using financial markets to discipline governments, ensuring they don’t stray off the neoliberal path.  

    The discussion goes into the US role in European geopolitics, the importance of economic and industrial sovereignty, and the negative impacts of relying on imports and being subordinate to the US. They go into the purpose of the bombing of the Nord Stream gas pipeline, the petrodollar system, and the destruction of Ukraine. 

    They also question the MMT community’s disturbing reluctance to speak out on geopolitics, especially the ongoing genocide in Gaza.    

    Thomas Fazi is a critically-acclaimed writer and journalist. His books include The Battle for Europe: How an Elite Hijacked a Continent — and How We Can Take It Back (Pluto Press, 2014), Reclaiming the State: A Progressive Vision of Sovereignty for a Post-Neoliberal World (co-authored with Bill Mitchell; Pluto Press, 2017) and The Covid Consensus: The Global Assault on Democracy and the Poor — A Critique from the Left (co-authored with Toby Green; 2023). He is the co-director of Standing Army (2010), an award-winning feature-length documentary on US military bases featuring Gore Vidal and Noam Chomsky; His articles have appeared in numerous online and printed publications. He is a columnist for the British magazine UnHerd and a contributing editor for the American magazine Compact.  

    @battleforeurope on Twitter 

    • 58 min
    Can Unions Survive the Struggle Within? with Traven Leyshon

    Can Unions Survive the Struggle Within? with Traven Leyshon

    ** For a full transcript of this and every episode of the podcast, go to our website, where you will also find an “Extras” section with information and links to resources discussed in the episode. realprogressives.org/macro-n-cheese-podcast/ 
     
    At Macro N Cheese we’ve been having an ongoing conversation about the need for radical change in the labor movement and the rise of class struggle unionism.  
    Traven Leyshon is president of the Green Mountain Central Labour Council and part of the leadership team of the Vermont State Labour Council. Traven, who has over five decades of labor organizing experience, talks to Steve about the pushback from national labor institutions against Vermont's newly elected progressive leadership and what it represents for the movement. 
    The episode delves into the historical context of labor shrinkage and addresses the practical challenges of organizing in a neoliberal economy dominated by corporate money. He emphasizes the need for a participatory democracy within unions, contrasting this approach with the dominant model of business unionism, where members often feel disconnected and disengaged. 
    Traven and Steve highlight the need for workers to have a deeper knowledge of how the system operates in order to fight back against the capitalist order. They also touch on issues such as the need for a job guarantee and the impact of austerity measures on working-class people.  

    In the face of climate crisis and continual economic crises, building a powerful, inclusive labor movement is more urgent than ever. 
    Current president of the Green Mountain Central Labor Council, part of the leadership team of the Vermont State Labor Council, AFL CIO member of OPEIU 153, Teamster truck driver for Teamsters for a Democratic Union, and proud rank and file UAW Audi worker.  

    @TravenL on Twitter 

    • 52 min
    Argentina For Sale with Daniel Kostzer

    Argentina For Sale with Daniel Kostzer

    What happens to a nation when its leaders get in bed with the IMF? In this episode, Steve and his guest Daniel Kostzer look at the case of Argentina under President Javier Milei. Daniel is the Chief Economist of the International Trade Union Confederation. 
    They discuss the recent legislative wins by Milei's government, which have sparked mass protests and civil unrest in the country. The reform bill passed by the Argentine Senate includes sweeping austerity measures, privatization, and labor rights cuts. 
    The conversation delves into the factors contributing to the high inflation rate in Argentina, including the country's debt with the IMF, the impact of the pandemic, and external conditions such as the Ukraine-Russian war and drought. Daniel explains that Milei's approach to the economy is characterized by a belief in dollarization. 

    They also discuss the role of the IMF in Argentina and its pro-market, pro-capitalist ideology. They talk about the historical pattern of accumulation in the country, with a constant pendulum swing between the export-oriented neoliberal model and the industrial autonomous development model. Without a clear resolution of this conflict, Argentina will continue to struggle. However, they also highlight the resilience and fighting spirit of the Argentine society, with a strong union density and a comprehensive system of social protection. 

    Daniel Kostzer is the Chief Economist of the International Trade Union Confederation (ITUC-CSI) based in Brussels. He was the senior regional wage specialist for Asia and the Pacific at the INWORK Branch (Inclusive Labour Markets, Labour Relations and Working Conditions), International Labour Organization. Daniel does research in Labour Economics, especially wages and income distribution, poverty alleviation, and the linkages with the broad economic issues. 

    @dkostzer on Twitter 

    • 1 hr 4 min
    Gaza: Unmasking Empire with Dan Kovalik

    Gaza: Unmasking Empire with Dan Kovalik

    Dan Kovalik, author and human rights lawyer, joins Steve to talk about his new book, The Case for Palestine: Why it Matters and Why You Should Care. The conversation goes into the history of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the concept of settler colonialism, and the current situation in Gaza.
    They criticize the US government's support for Israel and the lack of accountability for the ongoing genocide. They blame the corporate media for not adequately informing the public about these issues, allowing for a privileged perspective that ignores the suffering.  
    They touch on the role of social media in raising awareness of the atrocities, discuss the need for the American public to unify around principles of peace & to call out the US for war crimes and also talk about the attempts to silence criticism of genocide by labeling it as anti-Semitic or terrorist sympathizing.
    Dan Kovalik is a labor and human rights lawyer and peace activist. He is the author of the recently released book, The Case for Palestine: Why it Matters and Why You Should Care. Some his other books include The Plot to Control the World: How the US Spent Billions to Change the Outcome of Elections Around the World, and The Plot to Scapegoat Russia: How the CIA and the Deep State have Conspired to Vilify Russia

    @danielmkovalik on Twitter

    • 47 min

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Truth to Power, EXCELLENT!

Uncovers how broken our system is, explaining how MMT can be used to make positive progressive changes improving outcomes for people over corporations. Steve is an expert in economics, MMT, and passionate in his efforts to educate and improve our society. 4 thumbs up!

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