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Physician NonClinical Careers is presented to inspire, encourage, and teach physicians how to pivot to a new career. John Jurica will present topics important to pivoting physicians and interview experts and physicians who have completed their career pivots.

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Physician NonClinical Careers is presented to inspire, encourage, and teach physicians how to pivot to a new career. John Jurica will present topics important to pivoting physicians and interview experts and physicians who have completed their career pivots.

    Are You Ready to Become a Certified Physician Executive?

    Are You Ready to Become a Certified Physician Executive?

    Today I thought I would discuss another topic related to the pursuit of a hospital management job.
    I read an article on KevinMD by Patty Fahy, MD recently that talked about BSM (Business School Mindset).
    The author gave examples of the BSM mindset:

    "...graduates are assured that an MBA degree has prepared them to manage in any industry: a tattoo parlor, a government entity, or a hospital system.

    "Managers are an elite caste, separate from those who are managed, monitored, and controlled.

    "Efficiencies gained by controlling the behavior of professionals and other workers garner financial rewards...

    "The principle that... an action is rational only if it maximizes self-interest..."
    I don't know that all hospitals are managed in this way all of the time. But, when I was Chief Medical Officer, there were definitely times when I could feel the BSM "vibe" coming through... even though I worked at a non-profit hospital.
    Which leads me to believe that Business School Mindset leads to a different kind of BSM...
         Bulls**t Medicine.
    (You know, the approach that doesn’t recognize the physician-patient relationship, or that puts quality, safety, and dignity after the bottom line.)
    So, please consider a career in hospital management, because it's intellectually stimulating, pays well, and is the only way we’re going to steer this industry in a new direction.
    During the rest of this episode, I describe factors to consider when thinking of becoming a Certified Physician Executive.
    You can get the show notes with all of the links for today's episode at nonclinicalphysicians.com/certified-physician-executive/
    If you'd like to join my Nonclinical Mastermind Group, you can learn about it at nonclinicalphysicians.com/mastermind.
    Get an updated edition of the FREE GUIDE to 10 Nonclinical Careers at nonclinicalphysicians.com/freeguide.
    Get a list of 70 nontraditional jobs at nonclinicalphysicians.com/70jobs.
    Check out a FREE WEBINAR called Best Options for an Interesting and Secure Nonclinical Job at nonclinicalphysicians.com/freewebinar1

    • 24 min
    6 Important Assignments of a Hospital CMO

    6 Important Assignments of a Hospital CMO

    Today I discuss my work as chief medical officer. I spent 14 years as a senior hospital executive. There was a lot to like about that job. More than I can cover in one podcast episode.
    I presented the positive aspects of a hospital management career in Podcast Episode #20.
    But today, I’ll focus on some of the specific projects I worked on and the directors who I worked with. I think it will give you a better idea of what a CMO does. I hope it will inspire you to consider a hospital management career.
    For those NOT considering such a career, you should listen anyway, because what I’ll describe applies to a senior leadership position in almost any industry – even in your own business.
    I will start by listing the six assignments I want to describe today.
    Notice that I call them assignments because they represent a combination of the work with a specific department and its director, PLUS one or more of specific projects that we worked on together.
    For 2 of the 6, there was no distinct director to mention, for reasons I will explain when I get to those assignments.
    Here is the list of the 6 assignments…
    Leading the CME program, supporting the residency program start-up, and working with Lisa Zipsie, Director of Physicians Services. Selecting and implementing the first Quality Management Program, achieving Top 100 Hospital Status, and working with Mary Schore, QI Director. Implementing the hospital’s first Lean Process Improvement Initiative and working with Stephanie Mitchell, Director of the Laboratory. Overseeing the implementation of physician order entry and the medication safety program and working with Jim Shafer, Pharmacy Director. Establishing the first hospitalist service. Recruiting physicians, purchasing local physician practices, and leading the medical group during its growth to the dominant multispecialty group in the county. For the details of each assignment, you must listen to the episode or read the transcript included in the show notes.
    You can find the show notes for today’s episode at nonclinicalphysicians.com/assigments-of-a-hospital-cmo
    If you'd like to join my Nonclinical Mastermind Group, you can learn about it at nonclinicalphysicians.com/mastermind.
    Get an updated edition of the FREE GUIDE to 10 Nonclinical Careers at nonclinicalphysicians.com/freeguide.
    Get a list of 70 nontraditional jobs at nonclinicalphysicians.com/70jobs.
    Check out a FREE WEBINAR called Best Options for an Interesting and Secure Nonclinical Job at nonclinicalphysicians.com/freewebinar1

    • 24 min
    What Is the Newest Way to Earn Extra Income While Seeing Patients?

    What Is the Newest Way to Earn Extra Income While Seeing Patients?

    Dr. Chase DiMarco holds an MS and an MBA, and is an MD/Ph.D-candidate. He is the Founder of MedEd University and the CEO of FindARotation, a clinical rotations platform.
    He hosts the Medical Mnemonist Podcast and Rounds to Residency Podcast and is co-author of Read This Before Medical School, published in 2019.
    Chase is a consummate entrepreneur, author, teacher, and businessman. If you enjoy teaching medical students and want to earn extra income doing it, there is a big need for preceptors.
    However, the process for medical students to find and arrange a clinical rotation can be difficult and expensive. Chase created FindARotation to solve that problem. It enables preceptors to link up with medical students searching for clinical rotations they need in order to complete their medical education at a lower cost than current platforms.
    To try it out, go to FindARotation.com. Click on the Register for Free Button and sign up by clicking on the Preceptor Link in the right column of the Sign-up window. Chase will do the rest.
    You can find the show notes for today’s episode at nonclinicalphysicians.com/earn-extra-income
    If you'd like to join my Nonclinical Mastermind Group, you can learn about it at nonclinicalphysicians.com/mastermind.
    Get an updated edition of the FREE GUIDE to 10 Nonclinical Careers at nonclinicalphysicians.com/freeguide.
    Get a list of 70 nontraditional jobs at nonclinicalphysicians.com/70jobs.
    Check out a FREE WEBINAR called Best Options for an Interesting and Secure Nonclinical Job at nonclinicalphysicians.com/freewebinar1

    • 35 min
    More on How to Hire a Suitable Physician Career Coach or Consultant

    More on How to Hire a Suitable Physician Career Coach or Consultant

    This is Part 2 of my discussion of coaches and how to hire one. I receive frequent questions about this topic from listeners. Their questions generally involve one or more of these themes:
    Should I use a coach? Where do I find a coach? Are coaches expensive? Do you recommend certain coaches? I'm aware of three directories of physician coaches:
    Happy MD lists five coaches affiliated with Dr. Dike Drummond The Physician Coaching Alliance currently lists 43 coaches, including the CEO, Dr. Errin Weisman Finally, Physician Coaches, hosted by Dr. Mike Woo-Ming, provides a directory of 170 coaches for physicians. Thirty-eight are designated as career coaches. Many of the Life Coaches also include career coaching in what they do. My advice for finding a suitable coach:
    First learn about burnout, career transition, and nontraditional careers through free websites, blogs, Facebook groups, podcasts like this one, articles, and books. Some of the coaches I mentioned have podcasts. Most post articles on their websites. Network with colleagues who have transitioned and ask them if they used a coach and whether it was a worthwhile investment. I’ve asked physicians this question many times. And to a person, they found the process to be useful and effective. Then check out the directories I already mentioned. Narrow down your choice to 3 or 4, check out their websites, read their bios on LinkedIn, access their websites, and join their email lists to get to know them. Then set up an interview (discovery call, free consultation) and spend at least 15 minutes getting to know them. Tell them each that you are interviewing others to find one who is a good fit for both of you. Select one of them and get started. If it seems you are not making progress or connecting well after several sessions, then explain to them that you wish to move on. Putting this episode together made me think a lot more about providing career consulting services myself. I have really enjoyed the Nonclinical Mastermind Sessions I have been doing, which is a form of group coaching, in my opinion. And I definitely encourage you to try that if it appeals to you.
    So, I decided to take the plunge and set aside some time for  Nonclinical Career Consulting. And if you want to work with me, you can learn more about it at nonclinicalcareeracademy.com.
    There you will find a description of the three levels of Career Consulting Services I provide. You can read the descriptions and set up a short call for us to discuss your needs. 
    You can find the show notes for today’s episode at nonclinicalphysicians.com/find-a-physician-career-coach
    If you'd like to join my Nonclinical Mastermind Group, you can learn about it at nonclinicalphysicians.com/mastermind.
    Get an updated edition of the FREE GUIDE to 10 Nonclinical Careers at nonclinicalphysicians.com/freeguide.
    Get a list of 70 nontraditional jobs at nonclinicalphysicians.com/70jobs.
    Check out a FREE WEBINAR called Best Options for an Interesting and Secure Nonclinical Job at nonclinicalphysicians.com/freewebinar1

    • 18 min
    How Do I Hire a Suitable Physician Career Coach or Consultant?

    How Do I Hire a Suitable Physician Career Coach or Consultant?

    This is Part 1 of my discussion of coaches and how to hire one. I receive frequent questions about this topic from listeners. Their questions generally involve one or more of these themes:
    Should I use a coach? Where do I find a coach? What does coaching cost? Do you recommend certain coaches? I have spoken on the podcast in the past about what coaching is, and how it differs from mentorship, online courses, and other career resources. I have interviewed approximately 40 coaches, although not all of them are career coaches.
    Here are the names of my podcast guest physicians who provide career coaching:
    Michelle Mudge-Riley Heather Fork Maiysha Clairborne Laura McKain Dike Drummond Starla Fitch Marjorie Stiegler Jarrod Patten Mike Woo-Ming Dianne Ansari-Winn Michelle Bailey Errin Weisman Andrew Tisser Francis Yoo (soul coach) Jonathan Vitale (home-based careers) Jattu Senesie Yvonne Ator Ryan Bayley Randall (Randy) Cook Nerissa Kreher (pharma) Stephanie Freeman (locums) Mario Mendoza (biotech careers coach) Nona Korsah Charmaine Gregory Here are the two nonphysician career coaches I've interviewed:
    Charlotte Weeks Marsha Caton In Part Two, I discuss three directories of physician coaches and my advice for finding a suitable coach or consultant.
    Putting these episodes together made me think a lot more about providing career consulting services myself. I have enjoyed the Nonclinical Mastermind Sessions I have been doing, which is a form of group coaching, in my opinion. And I definitely encourage you to try that if it appeals to you.
    So, I decided to take the plunge and set aside some time for  Nonclinical Career Consulting. And if you want to work with me, you can learn more about it at nonclinicalcareeracademy.com.
    There you will find a description of the three levels of Career Consulting Services I provide. You can read the descriptions and set up a short call for us to discuss your needs. 
    You can find the show notes for today’s episode at nonclinicalphysicians.com/physician-career-coach
    If you'd like to join my Nonclinical Mastermind Group, you can learn about it at nonclinicalphysicians.com/mastermind.
    Get an updated edition of the FREE GUIDE to 10 Nonclinical Careers at nonclinicalphysicians.com/freeguide.
    Get a list of 70 nontraditional jobs at nonclinicalphysicians.com/70jobs.
    Check out a FREE WEBINAR called Best Options for an Interesting and Secure Nonclinical Job at nonclinicalphysicians.com/freewebinar1

    • 26 min
    How Does a Physician Land a Pharma Clinical Development Job?

    How Does a Physician Land a Pharma Clinical Development Job?

    Dr. Laura McKain is a board-certified physician with more than ten years of pharmaceutical industry experience. She has experience with clinical-regulatory strategy, study design, protocol writing, Phase 2-4 clinical trials, medical monitoring, safety surveillance, data analysis, and report writing.
    She received her medical degree from Georgetown University in Washington, DC, and completed her training in obstetrics and gynecology at Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond, Virginia. She was in private practice for over twelve years where her clinical interests included well-women care, contraception, HPV, menopause management, as well as general and high-risk obstetrics.
    In 2008 she transitioned her career to the pharmaceutical industry where she was involved in clinical development projects encompassing a broad range of therapeutic areas. She was involved in bringing two new therapeutics to market.
    She retired from full-time work, recently. She is now focused on helping other physicians to find new nonclinical careers. She does that in several ways. She is a career coach and resumé expert at mckainconsulting.com.
    And she is the founder of the Physician Nonclinical Career Hunters Facebook Group. Many of you are one of its 17,000 members. It is the premier group where physicians can connect with other physicians, share advice, find job openings, and obtain valuable advice and mentorship about nonclinical careers.
    Today Dr. McKain describes strategies for finding a pharma job in the area of Clinical Development.
    To access the show notes and the links for this episode, go to nonclinicalphysicians.com/clinical-development-job.
    If you'd like to join my Nonclinical Mastermind Group, you can learn about it at nonclinicalphysicians.com/mastermind.
    Get an updated edition of the FREE GUIDE to 10 Nonclinical Careers at nonclinicalphysicians.com/freeguide.
    Get a list of 70 nontraditional jobs at nonclinicalphysicians.com/70jobs.
    Check out a FREE WEBINAR called Best Options for an Interesting and Secure Nonclinical Job at nonclinicalphysicians.com/freewebinar1

    • 42 min

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Bunroe ,

Great resource and inspirational

John’s interviews really opened up my eyes to all the wonderful job opportunities as a physician and I’m very thankful for his wealth of knowledge. Highly recommend!

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John Jurica’s podcast is packed with useful information.

When I first started listening to this podcast, I ‘binge-listened’ all the episodes! I love John’s interview style and the knowledgeable guests. This podcast helped me get an understanding of the landscape of non-clinical careers for physicians as I was navigating my own career transition.

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