26 episodes

The podcast where we talk to the smartest, most informed, most influential, and sometimes fastest runners on the planet.

Running--State of the Sport Amby Burfoot and George Hirsch

    • Sports
    • 4.8 • 18 Ratings

The podcast where we talk to the smartest, most informed, most influential, and sometimes fastest runners on the planet.

    Chris Lundstrom Interview

    Chris Lundstrom Interview

    Chris Lundstrom is coach of the Minnesota Distance Elite team that includes female marathon ace Dakotah Lindwurm, who's running the Paris Olympic Marathon on August 11. Lundstrom himself has a marathon PR of 2:17, and a PhD in exercise science. He teaches at the University of Minnesota. 

    Lindwurm wasn't among the favorites at the U.S. Marathon Trials in Orlando last February, but she has proven strength at the 26.2-mile distance, and finished third. Another Minnesota Distance Elite runner, Annie Frisbie, placed 10th.

    Here Lundstrom discusses:

    # The training principles he uses with his runners

    # Why he thinks solid marathon training is more important than all the newer gimmicks like shoes, gels, and recovery tools

    # Why he and Lindwurm opted to skip altitude training in the pre-Paris period

    # What Lindwurm has done to prepare for possible warm weather in Paris

    # What it's like to teach a college course in marathon-training for undergraduates

    # Why he thinks the U.S. needs more "development" programs and funds for post-collegiate runners

    # And much more

    For more on Minnesota Distance Elite, click here.

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    • 47 min
    Ed Eyestone Interview

    Ed Eyestone Interview

    Ed Eyestone has been close to the center of USA distance running for nearly 4 decades, and never more than now. He's coach to American Olympic marathoners Conner Mantz and Clayton Young, and also the guiding hand behind undergraduate steeplechaser James Corrigan's improbable--no, impossible--road to Paris.

    Eyestone himself ran in two Olympic Marathons with a best finish of 13th in the Barcelona 1992 Games. In 2016, he coached Jared Ward to his 6th place marathon finish in the Rio Olympics.

    And he does all this while holding down a fulltime cross-country and track coaching job at Brigham Young University, his alma mater and that of Ward, Young, and Mantz.I

    In this deep and revealing interview, Eyestone talks about:

    # how to have 6 daughters

    # how much faster than 2:10:59 (his personal best from 1990), he could run today with super shoes, super drinks, super cooling methods, etc.

    # how Corrigan improved this year from 8:52 to 8:13

    # where he was, and how he reacted to the U.S. Marathon Trials last Feb. when Mantz and Young placed first and second

    # how the twosome is training right now, with a month to go before the Olympic Marathon

    # his philosophy of marathon training

    # why C(squared) = E(squared) is an excellent way to look at your training/racing development.

    # and much more.

    • 1 hr 5 min
    Emma Coburn Interview

    Emma Coburn Interview

    Emma Coburn is only 33 years old, but sports a running resume that’s hard to match. She has won 10 National Championships in the 3000-meter steeplechase. It almost seems that USATF should rename the event the “Emma Coburn Steeplechase.”

    Coburn has also won an Olympic bronze medal, and World Championships gold. Her husband, Joe Bosshard, is now her coach, and also coach to a small but select elite group training in Boulder under the name Team Boss.

    Unfortunately, Coburn sustained a serious injury in an early-2024 competition, and required ankle surgery. That means she’ll miss this year’s Olympic Track Trials and the Olympic Games in Paris. 

    Bad luck for sure. But also a good position from which to discuss the inevitable high and lows of global racing, which Emma does in this podcast. She also talks about:

    # Her dog Arthur, and how he got that name in honor of the great New Zealand coach, Arthur Lydiard.

    # How she was born and raised in a small, high-altitude Colorado town, and spent her youth pursuing various outdoor activities. (Sorta like a young Kenyan.)

    # How she ran her first steeplechase only because her father insisted she enter a couple of events to justify their lengthy car drive to the meet

    # What she learned from her college coaches at the University of Colorado

    # Why she decided to be coached by her husband, the person “who knows the most about me”

    # How she’s dealing emotionally (and financially) from the missed Olympic opportunity this year

    # Why she plans to be a steeplechase runner forever, rather than switching to another eventYou can learn more about Emma Coburn by following her on Instagram.

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    "Running: State of the Sport" is brought to you by MarathonHandbook.com and RunLongRunHealthy.com. Marathon Handbook is the world’s leading marathon website, with a special focus on trustworthy running information and free, runner-tested training plans for all ability levels.

    "Run Long, Run Healthy" is Amby’s weekly newsletter with the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners.

    • 46 min
    Matt Taylor/Tracksmith Interview

    Matt Taylor/Tracksmith Interview

    Matt Taylor is the founder, CEO, and visionary behind Tracksmith, the Boston-based running apparel and footwear company. A middle-distance runner at Yale, Taylor explored several small ventures after college, and then joined Puma as a marketing executive.

    There, from practically his first day, he was assigned to work with a young Jamaican sprinter named Usain Bolt. That proved to be both an adventure and an up-close running/business education.

    When he launched TrackSmith in 2014, Taylor focused on the millions of serious, ambitious, but nonelite runners being ignored by the big running companies with their twin focus on signing Olympians to contracts while making shoes and other products largely for beginners. His vision seems to have succeeded, as TrackSmith is expanding to London this year, and continuing to launch innovative products. 

    A year ago Taylor felt a return of his personal running drive after more than a decade of raising a family and nurturing a business. At 46, he set his sights on two goals: Running the mile in 4 minutes plus his age, and the marathon in 2 hours plus his age.Serious goals, and Taylor pursued them diligently. In fact, his marathon training included runs up to 27 miles. And he hit both his goal times with a little room to spare.

    In this conversation, Taylor also discusses: 

    # The competitive drive that always pushed him toward entrepreneurship

    # TrackSmith’s innovative pop up tents outside the Boston Marathon Expo

    # Tagging along with Usain Bolt on fun days and nights

    # What he finds special about New England running

    # Tracksmith’s determination to present photos and visuals that depict the authentic side of running

    # How Tracksmith got more than 100 runners into their gear at the Olympic Marathon Trials

    Here’s Tracksmith’s web site.

    Where To Find “Running: State of the Sport”

    Use your smartphone to download podcast apps from Apple, Spotify, Audible, Pandora, or YouTube Podcasts. Once you've selected your favorite app, search for “running state of the sport.” 

    With your computer, tablet, or smartphone, you can also listen direct to “Running: State of the Sport” at the below internet links.

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    "Running: State of the Sport" is brought to you by MarathonHandbook.com and RunLongRunHealthy.com. Marathon Handbook is the world’s leading marathon website, with a special focus on trustworthy running information and free, runner-tested training plans for all ability levels.

    "Run Long, Run Healthy" is Amby’s weekly newsletter with the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners.

    • 53 min
    Jacqueline Hansen Interview

    Jacqueline Hansen Interview

    Jacqueline (Jaqi) Hansen is truly one of the most important pioneers of distance running and the marathon in the U.S. and around the world. Jaqi is probably best known as the Boston Marathon winner in 1973 (only 4 months after her first marathon.) But she also twice set the women's world record in the marathon, becoming the first woman runner under 2:45, and then under 2:40.

    In addition, she and several colleagues on the International Runners Committee lobbied the International Olympic Committee to give women more track opportunities in the Olympic Games. The marathon isn't enough, they argued; we also deserve to have a 5000 meters, 10,000 meters, and steeplechase. It took a while, but eventually they won on all fronts.

    This conversation with Jaqi was recorded shortly after she returned from the 40th anniversary celebration of the first U.S. Olympic Marathon Trials for women. That event, and the 40th celebration, took place in Olympia, Washington. 

    In this podcast, Jaqi talks about:

    # Watching Cheryl Bridges run the Culver City Marathon in 1971--the first time Jaqi had ever seen a marathon.

    # Trying (and winning) the same race herself a year later.# Winning the Boston Marathon in 1973

    # Attending her first women-only marathon in Waldniel, Germany, in 1974. Her trip was financed by friend and fellow runner (and actor) Bruce Dern, father of current film star Laura Dern.

    # Running a 2:38:10 at the Nike OTC Marathon in 1975.

    # Her struggle to qualify for the first Women's Marathon Trials in 1984--a half dozen years past her prime. (She succeeded.)

    # Her experiences at the first Women's Olympic Marathon at the 1984 Los Angeles Games, taking care of a 4-year-old son while also cheering (and then crying for) Joan Benoit.

     # And much more.

    In addition, you can learn more about Jacqueline Hansen from her website, JacquelineHansen.com.

    Where To Find “Running: State of the Sport”

    Use your smartphone to download podcast apps from Apple, Spotify, Audible, Pandora, or YouTube Podcasts. Once you've selected your favorite app, search for “running state of the sport.” 

    With your computer, tablet, or smartphone, you can also listen direct to “Running: State of the Sport” at the below internet links.

    Apple

    Spotify

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    "Running: State of the Sport" is brought to you by MarathonHandbook.com and RunLongRunHealthy.com. Marathon Handbook is the world’s leading marathon website, with a special focus on trustworthy running information and free, runner-tested training plans for all ability levels.



    "Run Long, Run Healthy" is Amby’s weekly newsletter with the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners.

    • 53 min
    Billy Mills Interview

    Billy Mills Interview

    At the 1964 Olympic Games in Tokyo, little-known American runner Billy Mills achieved what many believe to have been the greatest upset in Olympic running history. He defeated world-record-holder Ron Clarke and a global field in the 10,000-meter final.


    To this day, Mills is the only American to have won Olympic Gold at the classic 25-lap distance. You can watch his famous last-lap sprint here on ⁠YouTube.⁠

    It's less well known that Mills also qualified for and ran the Olympic Marathon in 1964. He doesn't clearly remember the latter stages of that race, as he nearly blacked out from hypoglycemia. But he finished 14th in 2:22:54. 

    In this podcast, Mills talks about: 

    # Growing up on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation as a member of the Oglala Lakota people

    # Attending Kansas University, where he began to dream of Olympic success

    # Joining the U.S. Marines after college

    # Where he got the courage and confidence to challenge Ron Clarke in the Olympic 10,000 meter race

    # A final 200-meter speed session 4 days before the 10,000, where he clocked 23.3 from a standing start# The true meaning of an Olympic championship

    # His family's plans to attend their 14th Olympics this summer in Paris

    Where To Find “Running: State of the Sport”

    Use your smartphone to download podcast apps from Apple, Spotify, Audible, Pandora, or YouTube Podcasts. Once you've selected your favorite app, search for “running state of the sport.” 

    With your computer, tablet, or smartphone, you can also listen direct to “Running: State of the Sport” at the below internet links.

    Apple

    Spotify

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    "Running: State of the Sport" is brought to you by MarathonHandbook.com and RunLongRunHealthy.com. Marathon Handbook is the world’s leading marathon website, with a special focus on trustworthy running information and free, runner-tested training plans for all ability levels.

    "Run Long, Run Healthy" is Amby’s weekly newsletter with the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners.

    • 44 min

Customer Reviews

4.8 out of 5
18 Ratings

18 Ratings

JTrahanMystic ,

Loving the Podcast, Running - State of the Sport

Amby and George are doing a great job combining the history of the sport with current status and happenings! I particularly liked the latest episode with Ed Eyestone which, for me, brings back memories of years past and also connects my experiences with what’s going on today in our sport. Ed’s C+C=EE and CCC advice for the runners he coaches reveals his unique innovative thought and motivation process that has helped countless high-performing runners but can also be used by the rest of us to motivate ourselves and perform to our full potential. Well done guys!

Rich Houston CCAC ,

George and Amby!

If you are a runner, this podcast is a must listen. The deep knowledge of the hosts and the quality of the guest is great! Thanks George and Amby!

Another Older Mother Runner ,

Doubly great (or is that triply?)

What a gift to be able to hear these interviews of running greats — being interviewed BY two running greats! I’m all in.

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