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We are an offshoot of the Above the Law legal blog. But we are focused on the challenges women, people of color, LGBTQIA, and other diverse populations face in the legal industry.
Let's be real -- it can suck out there. So we want to create a space where our community can come together share stories, find support and devise strategies.

Our name comes from none other than the Notorious Ruth Bader Ginsburg and the jabot (decorative collar) she wears when delivering dissents from the bench. It's a reminder that --even when we aren't winning, we're still a powerful force to be reckoned with.

The Jabot Kathryn Rubino at Above the Law

    • Society & Culture
    • 4.7 • 29 Ratings

We are an offshoot of the Above the Law legal blog. But we are focused on the challenges women, people of color, LGBTQIA, and other diverse populations face in the legal industry.
Let's be real -- it can suck out there. So we want to create a space where our community can come together share stories, find support and devise strategies.

Our name comes from none other than the Notorious Ruth Bader Ginsburg and the jabot (decorative collar) she wears when delivering dissents from the bench. It's a reminder that --even when we aren't winning, we're still a powerful force to be reckoned with.

    This Biglaw Partner Has Never Seen A Lateral Market Like This One with Jodi Schwimmer

    This Biglaw Partner Has Never Seen A Lateral Market Like This One with Jodi Schwimmer

    In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Jodi Schwimmer, partner at Reed Smith and global co-lead of the Financial Industry Group, about how she balances firm leadership responsibilities with her practice. Jodi shares how the Financial Industry Group has changed because of the pandemic, and some firm priorities for this year. She also discusses some of the biggest successes and failures of her career.

    Episode Resources
    https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus https://www.reedsmith.com/en/professionals/s/schwimmer-jodi-e https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodi-abramowitz-schwimmer-108b40b3 


    Episode Highlights What made Jodi Schwimmer decide to go to law school How she wound up to where she is now How Jodi made it on her own and developed relationships with her clients The responsibilities that her practice entails How she manages everything, including getting the right people Changes COVID-19 brought to her practice area and managing the team as a whole Advice from her experiences from her own career
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    • 25 min
    Biglaw Partner Gets Honest About How Hard Work/Life Balance Really Is with Tamra Moore

    Biglaw Partner Gets Honest About How Hard Work/Life Balance Really Is with Tamra Moore

    In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Tamra Moore, partner at King & Spalding, about the twists and turns of her career that led her to her role at K&S. Tamra shares what latering during a pandemic was like, and how she decided on a firm that worked for her. She also discusses the differences between Biglaw, in-house, and government service. Tamra additionally talks about what a day in the life of a Government Matters attorney is like.

    Episode Highlights
    Why she decided to go to law school An incredible intimidating industry Where is the best place to be a lawyer What is being a healthcare lawyer There are many different paths to take when you’re in healthcare One of the biggest challenges The process of joining a new firm Tips for people that are starting their career Working In-house
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    • 26 min
    Inside Look At Biglaw Diversity Efforts with Renauld Clarke

    Inside Look At Biglaw Diversity Efforts with Renauld Clarke

    In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Renauld Clarke, Director of Diversity, Equity & Inclusion at Brown Rudnick, about the biggest diversity challenges in Biglaw. Renauld discusses the most relevant benchmarks for diversity in the legal profession, and why he launched the Racial Justice initiative. He also shares how he is approaching recruitment and retention given the intensity of the lateral market right now.

    Episode Resources
    https://brownrudnick.com/ https://brownrudnick.com/people/renauld-clarke/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/renauldclarke2 


    Episode Highlights Why Renauld Clarke decided to go to law school How he went from practicing as a lawyer to where he is now The biggest challenges in the legal industry or in big law in particular The possible solution for the influx of surveys many firms needed to participate in Renauld’s perspective and experience for that has changed because of COVID The most important thing to do to have a sustainable supportive environment The next big horizon for law firms, diversity, equity, and inclusion
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    • 29 min
    Partner Dishes On Finding Your Ideal Practice with Jodi Warren

    Partner Dishes On Finding Your Ideal Practice with Jodi Warren

    In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Jodi Warren, a partner at Capell Barnett Matalon & Schoenfeld, about a day in the life of a Real Estate, Corporate and Commercial Transactions, and Religious and Charitable Organizations attorney. Jodi shares her biggest career successes and failures, and what she learned from them. She talks about what virtual lawyering has looked like for her during the pandemic, and whether it has been easier or harder to balance that with the rest of her life. Jodi shares her tips for balancing work and life, and how the pandemic has brought that balancing act into focus for her.

    Episode Resources
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodi-warren-14141b55 https://cbmslaw.com/team/jodi-warren/


    Episode Highlights The reason why Jodi Warren decided to go to the law school Is having a time off gave her a better perspective that allowed her to approach law school differently How Jodi found her specialty and what she loves about it The process to get to a partnership Getting the support from her firm when handling clients Learnings from the pandemic: What she can take with her into the post and what she’s happy to be Biggest career successes and failures
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    • 21 min
    What You Need To Know: How The Courts Define Emojis with Leslie Garfield Tenzer

    What You Need To Know: How The Courts Define Emojis with Leslie Garfield Tenzer

    In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Leslie Garfield Tenzer, a professor at Pace University School of Law. Professor Tenzer discusses how she decided to get into legal academia and the twists and turns of her career that have led her to this point. She tells Kathryn why she decided to write the Legal Emoji Dictionary, and speaks about how emojis have been used in legal cases. She shares which emojis have a surprising legal definition, and talks about some of the pitfalls for lawyers if their cases do involve emojis.

    Episode Resources
    https://law.pace.edu/faculty/leslie-y-garfield-tenzer https://www.linkedin.com/in/leslie-garfield-tenzer-7704588


    Episode Highlights The reason Leslie Garfield Tenzer went to law school Her path in legal academia The journey to bring a new program and the benchmarks she used to demonstrate that it’s very valuable to law schools Some of the big changes in law schools The idea behind the emoji legal dictionary The biggest obstacle for attorneys Different (surprising) meanings behind the emojis How lawyers should go about navigating the ever-evolving tech that impacts the practice of law Becoming the experts for where evidence lives The consequences of social media Using emojis on emails: Is it a concern?
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    • 27 min
    Lawyers Are The Heroes And The Villains In Alex Jones Defamation Case with Elizabeth Williamson

    Lawyers Are The Heroes And The Villains In Alex Jones Defamation Case with Elizabeth Williamson

    In this episode of The Jabot Kathryn chats with Elizabeth Williamson, author of Sandy Hook: An American Tragedy and the Battle for Truth. They chat about the ins and outs of the defamation cases filed by families of the victims of the tragic Sandy Hook mass shooting against the infamous Infowars host Alex Jones. What was billed as an epic First Amendment showdown fizzled to a default judgment with a lot of money potentially on the line. Elizabeth and Kathryn discuss the role of lawyers on both sides of this legal battle.

    Episode Resources
    Sandy Hook by Elizabeth Williamson https://www.linkedin.com/in/elizabeth-williamson-252014b6 https://twitter.com/NYTLiz https://www.nytimes.com/by/elizabeth-williamson 


    Episode Highlights The motivation to deciding to write her book What was behind the families’ motivation for suing for defamation The legal strategies that families used to stop what’s happening How the whole saga begins with going after Alex Jones The kind of level of distinction between fake news, the hoax is that we're seeing propagated and this sort of bright shining ideal of what the first amendment should be In Elizabeth’s opinion, what’s the optimal outcome for each family Other legal avenues that people should be pursuing in order to stern the tide of disinformation How Elizabeth feels the case will end
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    • 25 min

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