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We are an offshoot of the Above the Law legal blog. But we are focused on the challenges women, people of color, LGBTQIA, and other diverse populations face in the legal industry.
Let's be real -- it can suck out there. So we want to create a space where our community can come together share stories, find support and devise strategies.

Our name comes from none other than the Notorious Ruth Bader Ginsburg and the jabot (decorative collar) she wears when delivering dissents from the bench. It's a reminder that --even when we aren't winning, we're still a powerful force to be reckoned with.

The Jabot Kathryn Rubino at Above the Law

    • Philosophy
    • 5.0 • 21 Ratings

We are an offshoot of the Above the Law legal blog. But we are focused on the challenges women, people of color, LGBTQIA, and other diverse populations face in the legal industry.
Let's be real -- it can suck out there. So we want to create a space where our community can come together share stories, find support and devise strategies.

Our name comes from none other than the Notorious Ruth Bader Ginsburg and the jabot (decorative collar) she wears when delivering dissents from the bench. It's a reminder that --even when we aren't winning, we're still a powerful force to be reckoned with.

    Sexual Harassment Settlement That Could Change an Entire Industry with Molly J. Bowen and Julie Goldsmith Reiser

    Sexual Harassment Settlement That Could Change an Entire Industry with Molly J. Bowen and Julie Goldsmith Reiser

    Kathryn speaks with Molly J. Bowen and Julie Goldsmith Reiser of Cohen Milstein about their representation of Alphabet shareholders in a case over the company’s handing of sexual harassment claims that led to a $310 million settlement that’s been hailed as precedent-setting.
     
    Episode Resources
    https://www.cohenmilstein.com/professional/molly-j-bowen  https://www.cohenmilstein.com/professional/julie-g-reiser   
    Episode Highlights
    Violations of law - 2:01 The sexual harassment laws - 3:20 An evolving form of litigation - 5:49 Policies and procedures - 7:20 Making compensation decisions - 9:21 What addresses the settlement - 12:55 Hopes of the settlement - 13:46 The flip of mindset - 16:35 An industry typically male-dominated - 25:53 It is inspiring to fight for our clients - 27:32  
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    • 29 min
    Biglaw Firm's Latest Racial Equality Work with Eva J. Pulliam

    Biglaw Firm's Latest Racial Equality Work with Eva J. Pulliam

    Kathryn interviews Arent Fox partner Eva J. Pulliam about the firm's newly launched Center For Racial Equality. They chat about the creation of the Center and what motivated the firm to do so, the firm's role in racial equality, the goals of the Center, and which projects she is initially focused on.
     
    Episode Resources
    Eva Pulliam  eva.pulliam@arentfox.com  https://www.arentfox.com/attorneys/eva-pulliam   
    Episode Highlights
    The firm’s motivation about launching a Center for Racial Equality - 0:39 The firm’s work - 4:14 Top priorities of rights - 5:30 Partnering with organizations - 6:00 Hours for strategic planning - 9:08 It feels good to be able to do something - 10:30 The goal is to start something - 14:27 Developing a culture - 15:34 Programs that firms had initiated - 17:55 Biglaw’s role today - 21:14  
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    • 24 min
    The Lawyer Behind the Hollywood Inclusion Rider and Other Strategies for Workplace Diversity with Kalpana Kotagal

    The Lawyer Behind the Hollywood Inclusion Rider and Other Strategies for Workplace Diversity with Kalpana Kotagal

    Kathryn interviews Kalpana Kotagal, partner at Cohen Milstein and co-author of the Hollywood “Inclusion Rider” (made famous by Frances McDormand during her 2018 Oscars acceptance speech). They talk about strategies for diversity in the workplace and race and gender discrimination.
     
    Episode Resources
    kkotagal@cohenmilstein.com  https://www.cohenmilstein.com/professional/kalpana-kotagal#:~:text=Kalpana%20Kotagal%20is%20a%20Partner,Ms.   
    Episode Highlights
    The night of the Oscars - 1:07 Working behind the scenes for a while - 2:01 Diversifying the profession - 8:07 Access and inclusion issues - 9:42 How to use inclusion writers - 11:08 Increasing litigation in the law space - 27:03 What Big Law is doing about inclusion - 28:51 Pressure points - 29:25

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    • 31 min
    The Injustice of Criminal Convictions Without Any Crimes with Jessica S. Henry

    The Injustice of Criminal Convictions Without Any Crimes with Jessica S. Henry

    Kathryn Rubino talks with Jessica S. Henry, author of “SMOKE BUT NO FIRE: Convicting the Innocent of Crimes that Never Happened”, about the prevalence of no-crime convictions, some of the worst examples of no-crime convictions, how racial injustice exacerbates the issue, and finally what can be done, particularly within the current criminal justice reform zeitgeist.
     
    Episode Resources
    Jessica S. Henry: jessicahenryjustice@gmail.com  https://www.amazon.com/Smoke-but-No-Fire-Convicting/dp/0520300645 https://jessicahenryjustice.com/  
    Episode Highlights
    Jessica’s new book - 0:37 Her background - 1:31 Being a teacher and learning about crime cases - 5:34 Crimes that never happened - 6:18 Being convicted about something that never took place - 8:36 Some of the worst cases about convicted persons with no crime - 10:48 How prosecutors do their job - 15:56 Wrongful convictions - 17:17 What we can do to stop this problem - 18:58 Aggressive police tactics - 19:58 What would help this problem - 22:09 Focusing on this issue - 25:33


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    • 27 min
    Erasure of Native Voices in Law School Experience Study

    Erasure of Native Voices in Law School Experience Study

    Kathryn talks with Thomasina Real Bird, Angelique EagleWoman, Paulene Abeyta, Christina McDonogh, and Aidan Graybill about the exclusion of Native voices in The Center for Women in Law and The NALP Foundation's study, “Women of Color – A Study of Law Student Experiences”. They discuss the NALP study, then walk through the 4 identified issues with the survey. They also talk about the NALP response to the criticisms and why that isn't a sufficient response. Finally, they discuss the unique issues facing Native American law students and what work is needed to address them.
     
    Episode Resources
    https://www.nalp.org/research Thomasina Real Bird: TRealBird@nativelawgroup.com  Angelique EagleWoman: Angelique.EagleWoman@mitchellhamline.edu Paulene Abeyta: nnalsa.president@gmail.com   
    Episode Highlights
    The guests for today’s episode - 0:46 A Women of Color study - 2:30 Native voices - 5:05 Exclusion of Native Americans from the study - 5:53 Concerns with the study - 6:47 Their feelings about the study - 12:25 Having a wrong reaction - 13:40 Law school students - 16:28 Increasing diversity in the legal profession - 17:51 Trying to increase visibility - 21:02 Working and being inclusive - 24:00  
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    • 28 min
    ERA with Linda Coberly

    ERA with Linda Coberly

    Kathryn Rubino talks with Linda Coberly, Chicago Office Managing Partner for the law firm of Winston & Strawn and Chair of the ERA Coalition’s Legal Task Force, about the ongoing fight for the adoption of the Equal Rights Amendment.
     
    Episode Resources
    lcoberly@winston.com  https://www.winston.com/en/who-we-are/professionals/coberly-linda-t.html https://www.linkedin.com/in/lindacoberly  
    Episode Highlights
    The adoption of the ERA - 0:47 The right to vote - 2:07 The proposal of the ERA - 4:36 There are protections against discrimination - 5:30 The ERA inside the Constitution - 14:48 Working cases - 22:23 Expectations about a case - 23:23 The Congress and the Department of Justice - 26:40  
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    • 28 min

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21 Ratings

ShadowDx 64 ,

Great podcast!

Kathryn is a great interviewer and she has a great rapport with her guests. Highly recommend.

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Great!

I love how much this show is able to find the things I never knew I wanted to know more about. My only complaint is that it does not come out frequently enough. I guess I’ll just have to be patient like waiting for a good book.

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Great podcast!

Very intriguing! I love their insights and people that they interview! I would highly recommend!

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