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We are an offshoot of the Above the Law legal blog. But we are focused on the challenges women, people of color, LGBTQIA, and other diverse populations face in the legal industry.
Let's be real -- it can suck out there. So we want to create a space where our community can come together share stories, find support and devise strategies.

Our name comes from none other than the Notorious Ruth Bader Ginsburg and the jabot (decorative collar) she wears when delivering dissents from the bench. It's a reminder that --even when we aren't winning, we're still a powerful force to be reckoned with.

The Jabot Kathryn Rubino at Above the Law

    • Society & Culture
    • 4.6 • 30 Ratings

We are an offshoot of the Above the Law legal blog. But we are focused on the challenges women, people of color, LGBTQIA, and other diverse populations face in the legal industry.
Let's be real -- it can suck out there. So we want to create a space where our community can come together share stories, find support and devise strategies.

Our name comes from none other than the Notorious Ruth Bader Ginsburg and the jabot (decorative collar) she wears when delivering dissents from the bench. It's a reminder that --even when we aren't winning, we're still a powerful force to be reckoned with.

    The Heart And Soul Of Vermont Law School with Shirley Jefferson

    The Heart And Soul Of Vermont Law School with Shirley Jefferson

    In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Shirley Jefferson, the newly appointed Vice President for Community Engagement and Government Affairs at Vermont Law and Graduate School (VLGS), and together, they talk about how the law is an effective tool to affect change in the world. Shirley, being the first person of color to be appointed as the VLGS’s VP, also shares the twists and turns of her career and how she’s able to pitch and convince people not just to go to law school, but to enter Vermont.
    Who’s The Guest?
    Shirley Jefferson is the newly appointed Vice President for Community Engagement and Government Affairs at Vermont Law and Graduate School (VLGS). She is the school’s first Vice President of color.
    Prior to her appointment, Shirley Jefferson is a 1986 VLGS graduate who has been a long-time professor and administrator at VLGS. She was also the associate dean for student affairs and diversity and also became the special assistant to the admissions department and director of alumni affairs.
    Episode Resources
    https://www.vermontlaw.edu/directory/person/jefferson-shirley 

    Episode Highlights
    Why Shirley Jefferson decided to go to law school. How the law can still be an effective tool to affect change in the world. The twist and turns of her career: How she went from being very involved in the civil rights movement to where she is today. How does she pitch and convince people not just to go to law school, but to go to Vermont? What does the Vice President of Community Engagement and Government Affairs do? How is that an evolution of Shirley’s mission for diversity? What are the highlights of Shirley’s legal career?
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    • 28 min
    Building A Practice Around Trauma-Informed Lawyering with Rena Paul and Margaret Gandy

    Building A Practice Around Trauma-Informed Lawyering with Rena Paul and Margaret Gandy

    Who Are The Guests?
    Rena Paul and Margaret Gandy are the founders of Alcalaw, a women-founded legal consultancy comprised of former federal and state prosecutors who believe that the most effective advocates are those whose legal acumen and depth of experience are matched by their emotional intelligence. Alcalaw provides legal guidance to individuals, organizations, institutions, and corporations who are facing cases of sexual misconduct, harassment, and discrimination.
    Summary
    In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Rena Paul and Margaret Gandy of Alcalaw to talk about how they started building a practice around trauma-informed lawyering. Rena and Margaret describe how the route was from studying in law school to navigating their way into the world of law to establishing their own practice. They also give a piece of their mind surrounding the effects of cultural awareness and the dissolving of NDAs.

    Episode Resources
    https://alcalaw.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/alcalaw-llp 


    Episode Highlights Getting to know the guests: Why Rena Paul and Margaret Gandy decided to go to law school How different are their experiences in law school from the way their careers played out The evolution of their careers from graduating to navigating the ups and downs of their chosen fields What Alcalaw is: How they started and what their focus is Practices that Rena and Margaret use to integrate concepts of wellness into their day-to-day practice and how you can make it work for you The effect of cultural awareness in the world of law that opens the practice of dissolving NDAs What are the up and coming issues that might arise due to the trends in the trauma space Words of advice from Rena and Margaret to a person who wants to enter the world of law


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    • 22 min
    Use Your Superpower In Your Legal Career with Shana Simmons

    Use Your Superpower In Your Legal Career with Shana Simmons

    In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Shana Simmons, a General Counsel at Everlaw, to talk about how her career in the world of law started. Shana leads the legal department and is responsible for all legal, regulatory, privacy, risk and compliance, and governance issues around the company. She describes the transition from working as the Head of Google’s Cloud Go-To-Market Legal team, to being a General Counsel. Additionally, Shana talks about how their own practice ensures that the culture at their workplace is inviting to people of all backgrounds and colors.

    Episode Resources
    https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus https://www.linkedin.com/in/shana-simmons-02295498 


    Episode Highlights Why Shana Simmons decided to go to law school The differences that happened as her career evolved What helped Shana drive her career Her career transition The concept of culture How she makes sure that the culture of the workplace is truly inviting to a diversity of background What being a General Counsel (GC) at a legal tech company is about
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    • 27 min
    Balancing A Lawyer And A Novelist with Jessica Martin

    Balancing A Lawyer And A Novelist with Jessica Martin

    In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Jessica Martin, a lawyer, and a published novelist, to talk about balancing life as a lawyer, a writer, and having a family. Jessica recalls how she got into the world of law, and how she slowly transitioned from big law to working as an in-house lawyer. She also describes the process she underwent to be a published author and shares her advice with those who want to give writing a try.

    Episode Resources
    https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus For the Love of the Bard https://www.facebook.com/ohfortheloveofbard 


    Episode Highlights Who Jessica Martin is Why Jessica decided to go to the law school Why litigation is not a choice for her The work-life-family balance: How she balances writing, being a lawyer, and having a family What the process was for leaving big law What the pros and cons of going in-house are What the process is to be a published author
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    • 23 min
    Biglaw Associate Starts Scholarship To Pay It Forward with Imani Maatuka

    Biglaw Associate Starts Scholarship To Pay It Forward with Imani Maatuka

    In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Imani Maatuka, a Commercial Litigation Associate at Sidley Austin LLP, to talk about Bridging the Gap Scholarship. Imani recalls how what made her decide to follow in the footsteps of her other family members and what the big difference is between what she expected and the reality now that she’s working as a litigation associate. She describes how she picked litigation as the law area to specialize in. Additionally, Imani shares more information about Bridging the Gap Scholarship: How it started, what their goals and steps to reach these goals are, and how it continues to help other students.

    Episode Resources
    https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus https://bridgingthegapscholarship.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/imanimaatuka 


    Episode Highlights Why Imani Maatuka made the decision to go to law school What is the difference between what she expected and the reality now of being an attorney What Bridging the Gap scholarship is What she really learned once she started practicing law What keys made this year work How she picked litigation What are the goals she set for herself and what steps she’s taking to reach them Where can people find more information about the Bridging the Gap scholarship?
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    • 24 min
    Why Women Are Leaving The Law - And What To Do About It with Laura Leopard

    Why Women Are Leaving The Law - And What To Do About It with Laura Leopard

    In this episode, Kathryn welcomes back Laura Leopard of Leopard Solutions to talk about their white paper, Women Leaving Law. Laura narrates their experiences writing and running the survey: How depressing it is knowing the reasons why women are leaving the law space and how unfair some firms are to them. She shares how culture affects the work environment. Additionally, Laura describes why a lateral move is important and why law firm leaders should start taking a closer look at what’s going on internally.

    Episode Resources
    https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus Women Leaving Law https://www.linkedin.com/in/lauraleopard https://www.leopardsolutions.com/ 


    Episode Highlights What the motivation is behind the white paper: Women Leaving Law What the most depressing thing is when running the survey How culture affects the work environment Is the industry becoming more transparent when it comes to making decisions? Why a lateral move is important Why law firm leaders should start taking a closer hard look at what's going on internally

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    • 26 min

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