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We are an offshoot of the Above the Law legal blog. But we are focused on the challenges women, people of color, LGBTQIA, and other diverse populations face in the legal industry.
Let's be real -- it can suck out there. So we want to create a space where our community can come together share stories, find support and devise strategies.

Our name comes from none other than the Notorious Ruth Bader Ginsburg and the jabot (decorative collar) she wears when delivering dissents from the bench. It's a reminder that --even when we aren't winning, we're still a powerful force to be reckoned with.

The Jabot Kathryn Rubino at Above the Law

    • Society & Culture
    • 4.8 • 23 Ratings

We are an offshoot of the Above the Law legal blog. But we are focused on the challenges women, people of color, LGBTQIA, and other diverse populations face in the legal industry.
Let's be real -- it can suck out there. So we want to create a space where our community can come together share stories, find support and devise strategies.

Our name comes from none other than the Notorious Ruth Bader Ginsburg and the jabot (decorative collar) she wears when delivering dissents from the bench. It's a reminder that --even when we aren't winning, we're still a powerful force to be reckoned with.

    It's All About the Money with Betiayn Tursi

    It's All About the Money with Betiayn Tursi

    When it comes to being a lawyer, what are the adversaries and challenges that you might face?
    In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Betiayn as she shares the twists and turns of her career that got her to where she is today. Betiayn talks about how the legal industry has evolved, particularly in respect to diversity, during the course of her career. They also discuss what led up to the founding of WILEF and the work she's most proud of. Betiayn also shares about why WILEF decided to change the Gold Standard criteria, and the main takeaways from the most recent Gold Standard List. She gives her thoughts on the most important diversity benchmarks for the profession.
     
    Episode Resources
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/betiayn-tursi-37950115a/ https://wilef.com/



    Episode Highlights The twist and turns that lead Betiayn Tursi’s career to where it is now. - 0:51 Joining ADA catapulted Betiayn’s career. - 3:13 How did her background in legal marketing play a role as she started shifting her focus into diversity issues? - 7:35 The major evolutions in the legal industry, particularly as it relates to the question of diversity. - 9:31 Works and programs that Betiayn participated in that she’s most proud of. - 10:47 How did the Gold Standard evolve over time? - 12:07 How Betiayn sees the two-tier partnership in law firms impact the goals of diversity. - 15:56 Takeaways from the most recent iteration. - 17:52 The most important benchmarks for law firms to be hitting or for people who are thinking of latering or starting their legal career. - 20:31 Money makes you feel good. If you’re compensated correctly and you have a role in the firm, it makes all the difference in the world. - 21:56 “I don’t want people to think that being a lawyer is easy and that partnering with a law firm is easy. It’s not easy. However, the people I surround myself with are all very grateful, happy, and balanced.” - 23:51 Advice that Betiayn has for people who want to be in the brass ring path. - 24:35 Difference between a sponsor and a mentor. - 25:28


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    • 26 min
    It's Been Quite The Year For Business Interruption Insurance -- Just Ask This Biglaw Partner with Linda Kornfeld

    It's Been Quite The Year For Business Interruption Insurance -- Just Ask This Biglaw Partner with Linda Kornfeld

    Building a career in the law field can be both challenging and rewarding: Especially if your field of interest is uncommon. In today’s episode, Kathryn interviews Linda Kornfeld. Linda shares why she attended law school and how she landed in her practice area: As an Insurance Recovery Attorney. She also gives advice for others who are looking for their career niche, as well as her experiences with business interruption insurance over the past year and what Biglaw can do to foster diversity.

    Episode Resources
    https://www.blankrome.com/people/linda-kornfeld 


    Episode Highlights Why did Linda go to law school in the first place? 1:01 How did she decide to work as an Interest recovery attorney? - 3:15 Checkmarks that Linda went through to see if the interest recovery area is the career of her future. - 4:59 How she wound up on the path of her current job. - 7:43 Balancing two hats amidst the pandemic. - 16:23 Good and bad things in 2020 and 2021 that can help build stronger institutions in the backend. - 18:58 The only way you can make change happen is by forcing it. - 23:20 You got to put the right people in the room where it happens and the benefits will flow from there. - 26:52


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    • 27 min
    Biglaw Document Review Is The Perfect Backdrop For A Legal Thriller with Lindsay Cameron

    Biglaw Document Review Is The Perfect Backdrop For A Legal Thriller with Lindsay Cameron

    Is having a law degree a great tool that opens up a lot of doors and opportunities? In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Lindsay to discuss her pivot to writing from her career in law. They discuss her process of writing her second novel and how different it is from the process of her first book. Lindsay also shares her advice for lawyers and legal professionals who are looking to break into writing.

    Episode Resources
    Just One Look by Lindsay Cameron


    Episode Highlights Why did Lindsay join law school? - 1:14 Beyond writing, what’s the actual practice of law that Lindsay misses? - 3:53 What’s her background and how was she able to capture the feeling of the people in the room without necessarily being where they want to be? - 11:05 Her fascination with the hierarchy of law firms. - 12:12 When there’s no competition, if temp workers don’t have anywhere to go to, they accept any projects available. 14:40 What people who are new in the industry should know? 15:59 Is it true?: A law degree is a great tool as it opens up a lot of doors. - 17:40 Is the “eat what you kill” system, where associates with large clients act bigger and with a toxic attitude, should still thrive in the industry because they’re bringing in money? - 20:55 What skills from being an associate was she able to take when writing day to day? - 24:11 Pieces of Advice to people who want to get started in legal writing. - 25:11


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    • 26 min
    An Outsider's Perspective on the Legal industry with Ritu Khanna

    An Outsider's Perspective on the Legal industry with Ritu Khanna

    Can someone who’s not a lawyer get involved in the legal industry? In this episode, Kathryn and Ritu discussed the twists and turns of Ritu’s career which led her to her current role in the male-dominated space of the legal industry. Ritu spoke about whether she ever felt her accomplishments were undermined because of her race or gender and how she dealt with those feelings. She also shared her advice for others who are coming up in white or male spaces as well as her perspective on the legal industry.


    Episode Resources
    https://www.lexisnexis.com/en-us/about-us/leadership/global-leadership/ritu-khanna.page https://www.linkedin.com/in/ritu-khanna-70a4004/?originalSubdomain=uk 


    Episode Highlights How does a non-lawyer get involved in the legal industry? - 1:25 Ritu Khanna’s role at LexisNexis. - 2:36 The twists and turns of Ritu’s career got her to where she is now. - 4:26 The stumbling blocks in the industry. - 11:45 How did Ritu navigate the male-dominated space? - 14:39 Practical advice for people who experience a lack of reception to their ideas because of who they are. - 17:41 Biggest career challenges. - 19:46 Why is diversity such an asset in Ritu’s industry? - 23:31


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    • 27 min
    The History of Female Law Professors with Patricia Cain

    The History of Female Law Professors with Patricia Cain

    Kathryn interviews Patricia Cain, one of the authors of Paving the Way, about the twists and turns of her life and career: from going to law school, being part of a circus troupe to starting a career in the legal academia. Patricia highlights her experiences not only as a teacher but also her experiences in law school. She also shared the best lessons she learned, especially for those who want to start a life in legal academia.

    Episode Resources
    Paving the Way



    Episode Highlights Introducing the guest: Patricia Cain. - 0:38 The reasons why Patricia decided to go to law school. - 1:24 The twists and turns: How she went from law school, a theater member, to being a teacher. - 4:20 Patricia’s involvement in the Paving the Way book project. - 9:14 A shift from being introduced to Herma Hill Kay to continue writing the book. - 12:08 Linking histories: Knowing the difference of the process back in the ’70s to her experience. - 17:16 It wasn’t until other women joined the faculty that Ellen Peter’s voice could be heard during faculty meetings. When you’re the one woman in the room, you say something and nobody says anything back then 5 minutes later a man says the same thing and everybody thinks it’s brilliant. I experience that every time. - 18:57 The adoption process. - 21:17 The best lessons that people who want to start a life in academia can take away. - 23:46


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    • 26 min
    How a Partner's Fear of Flying Turned Into a Legacy for His Children with Mark Hsu

    How a Partner's Fear of Flying Turned Into a Legacy for His Children with Mark Hsu

    Kathryn spoke with Mark Hsu about his experiences as a lawyer, author, and father. They also discussed how Mark drew a line and a balance between legal practice and parenthood. Additionally, they talked about some of the challenges that Mark faced while starting as a lawyer up to creating different lessons for his book that he can pass down to his children.


    Episode Resources
    Please Open in the Event of My Death Please Open in the Event of My Death Audio Book


    Episode Highlights Why did Mark decide to go to law school? - 1:00 Starting from rejections: The start of Mark’s career. - 4:54 What is the initial impulse to start writing down his advice to his children? - 8:20 Balancing parenthood and legal practice. - 10:35 We don’t want work to completely consume our lives. - 11:11 How it all started: What is Mark’s process when writing his book? - 11:52 What are the most important lessons that he created to pass down to his kids? - 16:30 There are several obstacles you can’t overcome simply by the force of will. But if you don’t try, you’re losing half of the battle there. - 18:05 Using pop culture references in his book makes it more relatable to the readers. - 22:13 To be a positive person, you need to look at the bright side of life, you need to look at positive things. - 26:37



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    • 28 min

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Kathryn is a great interviewer and she has a great rapport with her guests. Highly recommend.

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Interesting Topics, Poor Sound Quality

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Great!

I love how much this show is able to find the things I never knew I wanted to know more about. My only complaint is that it does not come out frequently enough. I guess I’ll just have to be patient like waiting for a good book.

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