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Schuyler Bailar, influential athlete, author, educator, and vocal LGBTQ+ advocate, shares his transformative journey. As the first publicly documented NCAA D1 transgender man to compete as a man in any sport, Schuyler's story is at the forefront of the debate on trans athletes in college sports.
Assigned female at birth, Schuyler opens up about the internal struggle he faced in accepting his own boyhood, initially associating masculinity with harmful behaviors​​. He offers candid insight into the performance of masculinity, highlighting how many boys and men seek validation solely within the male gaze, rooted in a desperate need for belonging.
A gifted swimmer, Schuyler's passion and talent have been constant through his journey of self-discovery. He provides an intimate look at locker room dynamics, offering a unique perspective on male bonding rituals and the quest for peer validation.
His decision to join Harvard’s men's swim team, after being initially recruited for the women's team, was more than a sports headline. This choice was the first statement of his personal truth, and also marked a significant moment in sports history, challenging norms and sparking discussions on inclusivity in athletics. 
Schuyler's story is a testament to the strength of character and authenticity, demonstrating how embracing one’s true identity can be a powerful tool for challenging and redefining societal norms.
What’s Underneath: Masculinity is Man Enough’s series in partnership with StyleLikeU with new episodes every Thursday. Watch shorter video episodes: http://YouTube.com/StyleLikeU 
Man Enough Podcast episodes will continue every Monday. 
IN THIS EPISODE: 
(05:08) Feeling like an other, sports as a “girl on a boy’s team”
(07:16) First relationship to gender
(10:00) Being perceived as a cis man and erasure of trans identity
(21:19) Experiencing misogyny as a man vs woman; empathy for men
(32:34) Swim team, mental health, eating disorder
(35:13) Rehab, discovering trans identity
(46:01) Top surgery
(51:23) Joining Harvard men’s swim team vs women’s
(54:01) Men’s locker rooms; calling men in
(1:07:14) What does it mean to be “man enough”?

SCHUYLER QUOTATIONS:
“My takeaway is that if I can call somebody in…if I can get a moment where I can actually talk to somebody and connect about an experience, there's actually real change to be had."
“In the locker room, I'd see somebody tell a joke and immediately scan the room to see who else is going to respond and to give them validation...Those dynamics were so striking to me because I hadn't interacted with them in the same way before, and I hadn't been expected to participate in them either...I think that was the most terrifying moment, when I realized I had a desire to engage in the behaviors, because I had spent so long thinking all these things were horrible…Do I engage so that I can belong or stand by my values and risk belonging?”

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Loretta J. Ross is canceling “cancel culture.” Join Justin, Jamey, and Liz for an insightful masterclass with the legendary activist and scholar. Together, they dissect the ineffectiveness of our prevalent “call out culture” and explore Loretta’s proven strategies to promote a culture of empathy and accountability. 
With a career spanning over five decades, Ross has been a formidable force in social justice, from fighting apartheid, and de-radicalizing white supremacist, (11:47) to pioneering the women’s movement and co-creating the theory of reproductive justice. In this discussion, she delves into her transformative approach of 'calling in vs. calling out,' (04:53) advocating for empathetic, respectful dialogue over the confrontational public shaming prevalent in online activism. (24:05) Ross’s method challenges 'cancel culture,' aiming to bridge divides and promote growth through constructive conversations. Her insights offer a blueprint in navigating complex social issues with compassion and understanding. (53:25)
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(RECORDED OCT 3rd)

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Timecodes: 
(00:00) - Episode Begins 
(00:12) - Are we becoming sensitive as a culture? 
(03:00) - Welcome Loretta J Ross
(04:53) - What does it mean to “Call In?” 
(11:47) - Reforming Neo-Nazi’s and Fighting for reproductive justice
(24:05) - Young people & cancel culture  
(36:37) - Complex people, make complex mistakes
(53:25) - 5 ways to respond to injustice and harm 
(1:04:14) - The beauty of calling- in

Quotes:
"A calling in is a call out done with love. You're still pursuing accountability. You're not giving people a pass on injustice." - Loretta J. Ross
“I want real people around me. I don't need a martyr and I don't need an a*****e. I need real people.” - Loretta J. Ross
"We've taught young people radical politics but we haven't taught them the politics of radical love." - Loretta J. Ross
“If you're not having fun fighting for human rights, you need to check out whether you're doing it the right way." - Loretta J. Ross

Guest Socials
LORETTA J. ROSS
Instagram: @lorettajross
Twitter: @LorettaJRoss

About Loretta J. Ross
Loretta J. Ross is an esteemed Associate Professor at Smith College and a renowned activist and scholar. Ross is credited as a pioneer in women’s reproductive rights, working as the director of the first rape crisis center in the country and co-creating the theory of reproductive justice. 
Ross’s upcoming book Calling In the Calling Out Culture  is set to release early 2025.
For more insight into building a better culture of accountability, Join Loretta’s next virtual workshop “Advancing Calling In” starting december 9th at Lorettajross.com

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Man Enough and StyleLikeU welcome comedian, stuntman, and Jackass star Steve-O. The self-proclaimed "aging attention whore" embarks on a raw and riveting odyssey of self-revelation. From the nuanced dynamics with his parents to his ascent as a rising star in Hollywood, and the astronomical rise of Jackass that catapulted him into a vortex of unfathomable self-destruction, this episode is an unmissable journey.
Dive into the heart of Steve-O's story as he recounts the harrowing yet inspiring tale of crashing to rock bottom and his extraordinary resurgence. He bravely confronts his battles with alcohol, drug, and sex addiction, revealing the grit and resilience required to overcome these challenges. His narrative is a testament to the power of transformation and redemption.
His raw reflections on the turbulent years characterized by destructive patterns in relationships are both enlightening and cathartic, offering a rare glimpse into his transformative path toward sobriety, celibacy, and the pursuit of becoming a man deserving of love.
This episode is an exploration into the human spirit's capacity for vulnerability, humility, and profound healing. Steve-O's story is a powerful beacon for anyone seeking inspiration on their path of personal growth.
Check out Steve-O’s Bucket List comedy special, LIVE NOW: http://steveo.com
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What’s Underneath: Masculinity is Man Enough’s new series in partnership with popular media company StyleLikeU. Enjoy this series of men revealing their full selves every Thursday here on Man Enough. Watch shorter video episodes on http://YouTube.com/StyleLikeU 
New Man Enough Podcast episodes will continue to hit the feed every Monday. 
IN THIS EPISODE: 
(04:07) Steve-O feels fragile 
(5:20) Style, fashion, and appearance 
(9:05) Mortality, surviving and legacy
(14:29) Becoming a comedian 
(22:41) Rock bottom and sobriety 
(32:44) Becoming the man the love of his life deserves & meeting Lux
(36:28) Making mistakes
(42:53) Last time he cry and phone call to Lux 
(45:00) Insecurities, aging, feeling beautiful 
(53:05) What does it mean to be "man enough"?

STEVE-O QUOTATIONS:
“Now, I think that our human experience is just a ridiculously cruel prank on us. Because we only have one instinct, which is to survive. But we've only got one guarantee, which is we won't survive” 
“I was actually treating them specifically the way I most fear being treated myself. It's just like using people up and throwing them away and and I knew exactly what a piece of shit I was so I promised myself I'm not gonna act out anymore.”
“I felt strongly that my mission was to become the man that the love of my life deserves, I needed to do that because like there was no such thing for me as meeting the love of my life 'cause I would have been useless to that person.”

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For the first time as a duo, Justin and Jamey sit down for a special episode on tough love —from friendship to envy and hard-to-swallow advice— nothing is off limits. They delve into the heart of masculinity, and personal growth (03:19) as they explore vulnerability as an untapped strength among men, share personal anecdotes of growth and self-awareness, and confront the often overlooked necessity of self-care amidst the call of service to others (06:52). 
Justin shares his challenges with self-acceptance (22:58) and his desire for approval. Meanwhile, Jamey is challenged to spend more time in silence and find true joy in the “nothingness” of life. Tune in for a masterclass in the art of friendship, introspection, and emotional courage.

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(RECORDED OCTOBER 3, 2023)

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Timecodes: 
(00:00) - Episode Begins 
(03:19) - Justin offers Jamey some “tough love” 
(06:52) - Can you find joy in stillness?
(14:06)- Jamey didn’t like Justin at first. 
(16:50) - Jamey sees Justin for the man that he is
(21:20) - Children can inherit “self-doubt”  
(22:58) - Justin had a really lonely childhood
(26:01) - Justin is afraid of being confident
(28:15) - It’s powerful for men to express their love and respect
(29:32) - What would the world look like if boys grew up knowing that men were safe spaces?

Quotes:
“Recently, I've been starting to experience some of what you experienced and some of the way you live your life. And suddenly, recently, joy is becoming more of my default. And I know that would be impossible without having you as my best friend.” - Justin Baldoni 
“Friendship is in the nothingness.” - Jamey Heath 
“I whisper into the ears of my kids, I tell them there's nothing that they could ever do to make me not love them. That they are enough just as they are.” - Justin Baldoni
“I'm on a constant journey to remember my enoughness. That's why I wrote the book and that's why I said in the book that I have not arrived.” - Justin Baldoni
“You do something really special, which is speak to the human heart. Certainly spoke to mine.” - Jamey Heath

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In a surprisingly uplifting discussion, mental health and gun control advocate Aaron Stark shares his harrowing journey from a childhood marred by extreme abuse and instability to the brink of becoming a school shooter. Stark's candid narrative begins with his early years, dominated by a violent father and a life of constant upheaval, leading to feelings of worthlessness and self-harm. His descent into darkness was halted only by the simple, yet profound, act of kindness from a friend, illustrating the transformative power of empathy and connection.
Through this episode, we explore the essence of healthy masculinity and the critical role of vulnerability in mental health. Stark's story is a testament to the human spirit's resilience and the ability to reclaim life from the shadows of despair. His journey from violence to vulnerability highlights the importance of male friendship, understanding, and the courage to break free from the cycles of abuse and self-destruction.
Disclaimer: This episode includes discussions of sensitive topics, such as mental health struggles and suicidal thoughts.
What’s Underneath: Masculinity is Man Enough’s new series in partnership with popular media company StyleLikeU. Enjoy this series of men revealing their full selves every Thursday here on Man Enough. Watch shorter video episodes on http://YouTube.com/StyleLikeU 
This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp, the world’s largest therapy platform. Visit http://BetterHelp.com/WhatsUnderneath today to get 10% off your first month.
New Man Enough Podcast episodes will continue to hit the feed every Monday. 

IN THIS EPISODE: 
(01:16) Jamey & Justin introduce the episode
(04:02) Aaron talks about his style and people’s assumptions 
(09:34) High school experience & bullying
(13:58) Ego death & coming out with his story after the Parkland shooting
(18:57) The origins of his childhood abuse 
(23:56) Homelessness & self-destruction 
(31:29) Hitting rock bottom and how Aaron’s friend saved his life 
(36:50) Deciding to live
(39:51) Recovery & healing 
(49:51) Stripping away the old, starting the new with self-care and storytelling 
(52:54) Feeling vulnerable & beautiful 
(57:03) Accountability in relationships
(59:53) Weight loss journey 
(1:01:53) Being Man Enough

AARON STARK QUOTATIONS:
"He's never once said that I was wrong or that I was broken. He just said that I was a good kid in a shit world."
"There's no difference in the kid in Pakistan who told me that he couldn't talk about his abuse because his bullies in his village would kill him...It's not different with the model who's throwing up in her cup for her photo shoot and me when I was about to shoot up a school. It's all just expressions of I'm not good enough inside myself, and I think I need to burn myself apart to fit life."
"Treat that kid in the dark that tells himself that he hates himself constantly and tells himself that everything in his life is bad and he's the fault of it. Tell him that he's wrong because everybody else is telling him that he's right. And to me, that's a simple equation. "
"Being man enough is being comfortable in yourself and realizing that when you woke up today, you were good enough. And tomorrow you're going to be good enough too. And it's okay to fail, and it's okay to cry, and it's okay to be vulnerable, and it's okay to let someone know that you love them. And it's okay to let someone know that you're hurt, and it's okay to reach out for help."

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Actor, artist, and long-time friend of the pod, Brett Dier, joins our hosts for a refreshing and honest conversation on friendship (51:09), vulnerability, and a surprising discussion about the existence of extraterrestrial life (35:36). Brett opens up about his battle with depression, managing his Tourette's, (08:23) and how he channels his challenges into art and comedy, drawing inspiration from the likes of Jim Carrey to use humor as a coping mechanism. 
Later in the episode, Jane the Virgin fans, rejoice! Justin and Brett share behind-the-scenes stories (53:17) that are as heartfelt as they are hilarious, exploring the friendships and admiration forged between takes and the resulting bond that extends beyond the screen. 
RECORDED MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 18th

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Timecodes: 
(00:05) - Brett used humor to cope with depression 
(03:05) - Welcome Brett Dier 
(06:57) - When was the last time you didn’t feel enough? 
(08:23) - For Brett, his battle with depression & Tourrette’s was a private battle 
(16:47) - Brett used humor to escape bullying and torment from other kids 
(19:38) - How Justin & Brett dealt with comparison fatigue on ‘Jane The Virgin’
(23:57) - Brett’s evolution through self-work
(35:36) - Art & Aliens 
(39:19) - Depression's effect on romantic connection and intimacy 
(44:43) - The meaning behind Brett’s alien artwork 
(51:09) - How Justin and Brett forged a deep friendship as adult men
(53:17) - Memories from the set of “Jane The Virgin”
(59:53) - What does it mean to be “Man Enough?

Quotes:
“I wanna make people feel things. That's why I love to act, whether it's to make someone sad or laugh or whatever it is. I just want people to feel.” - Brett Dier 
“The longest distance a man will ever travel is the distance between his head and his heart.” - Justin Baldoni 

About Brett Dier
Brett Dier is a Canadian television and film actor known best for his work on the popular TV show Jane the Virgin (with Justin Baldoni) and the A.B.C sitcom Schooled. He has 2 films that came out in 2023 called About My Father, a comedy with Robert de Niro and Sebastian Maniscalco, and Maybe It’s You, a rom-com with Veronica St. Claire. Aside from acting Brett is an artist and he shares and sells his prints on his Instagram.

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BRETT DIER
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