[Un]Churned – The No. 1 Podcast for Customer Retention

Gainsight

If you're experimenting with automation, questioning the traditional post-sales model, or trying to drive more value with less headcount, you're in the right place. AI won’t fix churn, but these conversations might. Retention is the new growth, AI is rewriting the rules. Hosted by Josh Schachter, SVP of Atlas at Gainsight, [Un]Churned—the No. 1 podcast for retention and Customer Success leaders—features real talk with the sharpest minds in the Customer Success space. We dig into how teams are scaling smarter, activating AI agents, and redesigning the customer journey for lasting impact.

  1. 3d ago

    He Cut Exec Prep From 4 Hours to 10 Minutes ft. Simon Farthing (Bloomreach)

    Want the playbook, not just the conversation? Subscribe for deep-dive, actionable breakdowns from every episode at unchurned.substack.com. Simon Farthing, VP of Customer Success at Bloomreach, joins Josh Schachter to discuss what it actually takes to lead a customer success organization in the AI era. Drawing from his experience leading a 100-person CS and services team, Simon shares the lessons he's learned from experimenting with AI tools at scale, building internal tools, rethinking team structure, and preparing for what's next. It's a candid conversation about moving beyond AI hype and turning it into measurable operational impact. --- What You'll Learn - Lessons from testing 60+ AI tools across a 100-person CS organization - How Simon built a personal AI command center in Claude - A practical framework for build vs. buy vs. build-on-top decisions - Why AI accuracy becomes non-negotiable at the executive level - Why "tool migration" is becoming a core professional skill - How Bloomreach rebalanced CSM compensation around GRR and NRR - Why Forward Deployed Engineers are emerging and where they fit --- Timestamps 0:00 - Preview & Intro 1:28 - Meet Simon Farthing, BloomReach overview 2:48 - 60+ AI tools tested, tool proliferation problem 6:00 - Building "Mission Control" in Claude 8:57 - Bottoms-up AI leadership structure 11:00 - The accuracy problem: when AI slides hit the boardroom 13:52 - Tool migration as a critical human skill 15:05 - Build vs. buy vs. build-on-top framework 17:00 - CSM comp redesign 18:33 - The rise of the Forward Deployed Engineer (FDE) 21:10 - Smaller customers and customer marketing, agentic AI --- Josh is writing a book on building customer relationships. Follow his journey and insights at www.joshschachter.com --- Where to Find the Guest Simon Farthing: https://www.linkedin.com/in/simon-farthing/ --- Where to Find the Hosts: Josh's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jschachter/ Unchurned Substack: https://unchurned.substack.com/

    He Cut Exec Prep From 4 Hours to 10 Minutes ft. Simon Farthing (Bloomreach)

  2. 5d ago

    How to Stand Out in a Crowded CS Hiring Market (Without a CS Background) ft. Katy Bone (Gainsight)

    Want the playbook, not just the conversation? Subscribe for deep-dive, actionable breakdowns from every episode at unchurned.substack.com. She went from treating eating disorders to running a $5M enterprise book at the biggest name in Customer Success and she didn't take no for an answer. Katy Bone, Enterprise CSM at Gainsight joins Josh to share the bathroom-humor pitch email that got her noticed, why vulnerability beats polish on LinkedIn, and the nonprofit born from unimaginable loss that's now reached families in 45 states. Learn more or support the mission: https://www.blessingsforbarrett.com/ --- What You'll Learn - How a therapy background translates directly into churn prevention and relationship-building - The exact outreach tactics Katy used to break into a competitive CS hiring process with a non CS background - Why vulnerable, human LinkedIn content builds deeper trust with enterprise stakeholders than polished thought-leadership - How cross-functional collaboration skills transfer from healthcare advocacy to CS - The story behind Blessings for Barrett and how it's scaled using AI tools --- Timestamps 0:00 - Preview & Intro 0:48 - Meet Katy Bone, Enterprise CSM at Gainsight 1:27 - What an Enterprise CSM at GainSight actually does 2:15 - The Career Switch 5:02 - The parallel: fighting insurance denials vs. fighting churn 6:28 - Standing out against experienced CS candidates 7:47 - Sending a mock EBR prep before the interview 9:00 - The bathroom reading pitch email 10:28 - The LinkedIn banner that gets replies 12:02 - Learning it's okay to be vulnerable online 14:02 - What vulnerability has taught her about business 15:15 - Barrett's story & Blessings for Barrett --- Josh is writing a book on building customer relationships. Follow his journey and insights at www.joshschachter.com --- Where to Find the Guest Katy Bone: https://www.linkedin.com/in/katy-bone-3b6334233/ --- Where to Find the Hosts: Josh's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jschachter/ Unchurned Substack: https://unchurned.substack.com/

    How to Stand Out in a Crowded CS Hiring Market (Without a CS Background) ft. Katy Bone (Gainsight)

  3. Jul 29

    Vibe Coding Is a Bandaid on a Bandaid ft. Saumyo Mukherjee (Braze)

    AI adoption feels chaotic right now. Saumyo Mukherjee calls it "good chaos." He's VP of Business Systems at Braze. 24-person team. Supports 2,000 employees. Sits between every GTM function using AI. This episode covers vibe coding sprawl. Duplicate automations. And a handoff automation that replaced 1.5 days of manual work. Plus his take on in-app intelligence, token budget and why tool-switching kills CSM productivity. Real tactics from inside a fast-scaling SaaS company. --- Want the playbook, not just the conversation? Subscribe for deep-dive, actionable breakdowns from every episode at unchurned.substack.com. --- What you'll learn - Why "good chaos" beats no chaos - How Braze runs quarterly AI hackathons - The sales-to-services handoff fix that saved days - Why token costs are the new budget battle - Why in-app intelligence beats tool-switching --- Timestamps 0:00 - Preview & Introduction 1:30 - Meet Saumyo Mukherjee, VP of Business Systems at Braze 3:52 - Vibe coding sprawl problem 7:53 - The AI idea box & Sales-to-services handoff fix 11:52 - Balancing freedom and guardrails (Quarterly AI hackathons) 14:32 - Anthropic, token costs, and budget strategy 18:30 - Why in-app intelligence wins 19:45 - Braze's return to Gainsight --- Josh is writing a book on building customer relationships. Follow his journey and insights at www.joshschachter.com --- Where to Find the Guest Saumyo Mukherjee: https://www.linkedin.com/in/saumyo/ --- Where to Find Josh: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jschachter/ Unchurned Substack: https://unchurned.substack.com/

    Vibe Coding Is a Bandaid on a Bandaid ft. Saumyo Mukherjee (Braze)

  4. Jul 22

    Why BCGx's Chief AI Officer thinks writing code by hand is a waste of time ft. Matthew Kropp (BCGx)

    Most companies think they're ahead on AI. The data says otherwise. Even the most sophisticated firms are only about 5% of the way down the journey. In this episode of the [Un]Churned Podcast, Josh Schachter sits down with Matthew Kropp, Managing Director, Senior Partner, and Chief AI Officer at BCG, who's advised roughly 400 companies' boards and executive teams on AI strategy since ChatGPT launched. They unpack why most AI adoption stalls out at "1,000 chatbots and no value," the real psychological reasons people resist using these tools, and why the smartest company isn't the one winning anymore, it's the one using AI the most. Matthew also opens up about Jessica, his personal experiment building a fully AI-run company, no human employees, agents making the decisions, himself acting only as "the governor." They also dive into: - Why 80% of engineers use AI tools, but only 5% actually use them to write code - The four real reasons people don't adopt AI, and why "identity threat" is the biggest one - Why using AI more, and more productively, is becoming the new competitive edge - Why AI-native companies have a growing allergy to middle management - Whether consulting itself is under threat, and why demand for advice isn't going anywhere while the work itself changes If you're leading AI adoption inside your company, worried about what AI means for your role, or just want a clear-eyed look at what's actually working right now, this episode is worth your full attention. Want the playbook, not just the conversation? Subscribe for deep-dive, actionable breakdowns from every episode at unchurned.substack.com. Chapters 00:00 – Intro & Backstory 03:33 – Biggest Shifts In How Executives Think About AI 08:32 – The Four Reasons Companies Don't Adopt AI 16:20 – Marketing, Sales & Insurance's AI Transformation 18:59 – Token-Based Competition & "Token Maxing" 23:28 – Inside BCG's 3,000-Person Engineering Org 28:42 – AI Brain Fry: The Psychological Cost 30:59 – What Happens To Middle Management 33:17 – Is Consulting Under Threat? 39:21 – Building Jessica: A Zero-Human Company Josh is writing a book on building customer relationships. Follow his journey and insights at www.joshschachter.com Where to Find the Guest: Matthew's Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-kropp/ Where to Find the Host: Josh's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jschachter/ Unchurned Substack: https://unchurned.substack.com

  5. Jul 20

    What a Chief AI Officer Actually Does ft. Ziv Peled (AppsFlyer)

    Want the playbook, not just the conversation? Subscribe for deep-dive, actionable breakdowns from every episode at unchurned.substack.com. He built the dashboards. Now he's questioning if they'll even exist in two years. Ziv Peled just added "Chief AI Officer" on top of Chief Customer Officer to his title at AppsFlyer. In this episode, he breaks down what that actually means: not a figurehead role, but hands-on rebuilding of workflows, architecture decisions, and the mindset of an entire org. Josh and Ziv chat about how AppsFlyer built their own $20/month AI pipeline on top of Gong instead of replacing it, why "build vs. buy" isn't the binary everyone thinks, what happens to your AI costs, and why "50x ROI" claims are mostly noise; plus the line that stopped the whole conversation: "When is the last dashboard?" --- What You'll Learn - What a Chief AI Officer actually does day-to-day - Why AppsFlyer upsold into Gong instead of churning - Why most AI ROI metrics ("10x, 50x") don't hold up - What's changing with AI vendor pricing/consumption limits - How to think about AI security risk without a rulebook to follow yet --- Timestamps 0:00 - Preview & Intro 1:30 - Meet Ziv Peled, CAIO at AppsFlyer 4:40 - How the CAIO role came to be 6:50 - Build vs. buy: Salesforce, Gong, and AppsFlyer's own MCP 9:25 - Why AppsFlyer isn't churning off Gong (they upsold) 12:20 - What is Mythos? (and the quantum computing tangent) 13:50 - The 90-minute video, 2-minute AI analysis story 14:42 - How AI is changing competitive advantage 16:10 - What it actually takes to become an AI-native company 19:33 - Rapid fire: adoption, measurement, expense, security --- Josh is writing a book on building customer relationships. Follow his journey and insights at www.joshschachter.com --- Where to Find the Guest Ziv Peled: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zivpeled --- Where to Find the Hosts: Josh's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jschachter/ Unchurned Substack: https://unchurned.substack.com/

    What a Chief AI Officer Actually Does ft. Ziv Peled (AppsFlyer)

  6. Jul 15

    Claude Code Cut Dev Cycles 60% Then Forced an Org Redesign ft. Margo Martin & Jason Goldsmith (Deltek)

    Want the playbook, not just the conversation? Subscribe for deep-dive, actionable breakdowns from every episode at unchurned.substack.com. Deltek's CCO Margo Martin and newly-appointed VP Customer Strategy & Services at Deltek Jason Goldsmith reveal how Claude turned three siloed post-sale teams into one AI-first machine and why they built a brand new executive role just to keep up. Deltek didn't just adopt AI. They restructured around it. After Claude and Claude Code cut documentation timelines by 80% and dev cycles by 50-60%, CCO Margo Martin realized her three post-sale orgs (implementation, CS, and support) were quietly duplicating AI work. Her fix? A brand-new "AI convergence" role . And she picked an internal boomerang employee to run it. In this episode, you'll hear exactly how they built the business case, picked the right leader, and what's next on the roadmap. --- What You'll Learn - The tradeoff between touchless implementation and long-term customer stickiness - How Claude Code cut custom implementation timelines by 50-60% - Why Deltek reduced customer documentation & training time by 80% - How to spot "AI silos" forming across your org before they cost you - What it takes to build (and pitch) a brand-new AI strategy role internally - Deltek's build-vs-buy framework for AI tools - How CX leaders are using personal AI "chiefs of staff" day-to-day - Why Deltek is rebuilding its entire customer journey around AI - How to balance automation speed with customer stickiness --- Timestamps 0:00 - Preview & Intro 1:50 - Meet Margo Martin & Jason Goldsmith (Deltek) 2:45 - What Deltek does & org structure 6:40 - How Claude Code changed everything 10:23 - Duplicate AI efforts & the new VP of AI strategy role 14:45 - Why Jason was the pick 19:10 - Jason's 30/60/90 day plan 24:10 - Predicting the first team to join Jason's org 26:45 - Personal AI chiefs of staff 28:28 - Build vs. buy: Deltek's AI tooling philosophy 32:56 - KPIs and metrics for AI transformation --- Josh is writing a book on building customer relationships. Follow his journey and insights at www.joshschachter.com --- Where to Find the Guest Margo Martin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/margomartin-/ Jason Goldsmith: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jwgoldsmith/ --- Where to Find the Hosts: Josh's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jschachter/ Unchurned Substack: https://unchurned.substack.com/

    Claude Code Cut Dev Cycles 60% Then Forced an Org Redesign ft. Margo Martin & Jason Goldsmith (Deltek)

  7. Jul 13

    The Old Playbook Is Obsolete. The New One Isn't Built. ft. Amanda Moran (Darktrace)

    Six months in, Amanda Moran, is rebuilding customer success from scratch. She spent eight years at LinkedIn mastering the old playbook: rules, workflows, perfectly timed emails. Now she's VP of Digital Customer Success at Darktrace, a cybersecurity company betting its future on securing AI itself. But she's stuck on the question keeping every CS leader up at night. Autonomous agents aren't here. You can feel them coming. So what do you build right now, without wasting months on work the agents will replace? Josh Schachter pushes into the hard parts: the data nobody connects, and why the next cybersecurity battle is the AI you're about to deploy. This one's for anyone building toward a future that hasn't arrived. --- Want the playbook, not just the conversation? Subscribe for deep-dive, actionable breakdowns from every episode at unchurned.substack.com. --- What you'll learn - Why rules-based outreach is on its way out, and what comes next - How to build CS today without locking in throwaway automation - The pooled support model behind 5 people serving 10,000 customers - Why agentic AI is cybersecurity's next frontier - The hidden signals in community and learning data - What CS leaders are all quietly trying to figure out --- Timestamps 0:00 - Preview & Introduction 1:42 - Meet Amanda Moran & Overview of Darktrace 3:00 - Transitioning from LinkedIn to cybersecurity 4:03 - Building AI-driven email engagement 6:50 - The Digital CS org at Darktrace 9:20 - The pooled model 11:39 - Renewals at Darktrace 12:45 - Securing AI itself: the July launch 14:17 - Internal AI enablement 15:17 - Building CS before the agents take over 17:50 - The data problem 20:10 - The in-between phase nobody has cracked --- Josh is writing a book on building customer relationships. Follow his journey and insights at www.joshschachter.com --- Where to Find the Guest Amanda Moran: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amandammoran/ --- Where to Find Josh: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jschachter/ Unchurned Substack: https://unchurned.substack.com/

    The Old Playbook Is Obsolete. The New One Isn't Built. ft. Amanda Moran (Darktrace)

  8. Jul 8

    He Created a Job Title 1,000+ People Now Have ft. Yash Tekriwal (Clay)

    Most companies think of education as a support function, the real shift is treating it as a go-to-market engine. In this episode of the UnChurned Podcast, Josh Schachter and Samantha Murray sit down with Yash Tekriwal, Head of Go-to-Market Engineering Ecosystem at Clay, to unpack how he became the company's first-ever GTM Engineer, why Clay rebranded its entire education team, and what it actually takes to build a learning ecosystem people don't just consume, but live inside of. Yash shares the origin story of the GTM Engineer role, why he believes "education" has become a dirty word in tech, and how Clay is rethinking everything from LMS platforms to certification to attribution. They also dive into: - The origin story behind the first-ever "GTM Engineer" title - Why Clay killed its education team and rebranded to a GTM engineering ecosystem - Why traditional LMS platforms get learning fundamentally wrong - The "control the environment, not the process" philosophy of learning - Why brand affinity and "vibes" matter more than marketing attribution - Rethinking certification and skill assessment in the age of AI If you're building a GTM team, leading customer education, or trying to figure out how learning and community actually drive growth, this episode is a masterclass in building an ecosystem instead of a content library. Want the playbook, not just the conversation? Subscribe for deep-dive, actionable breakdowns from every episode at unchurned.substack.com. Chapters 00:00 – Intro & Backstory 01:03 – Yash's Pre-Clay Career and Failed Startups 05:30 – Why He's More Of A Founder Than When He Was One 06:32 – Becoming Clay's First-Ever GTM Engineer 09:41 – Category Creation and Market Sizing 13:42 – "We Killed The Education Team At Clay" 15:36 – Why Education Became A Dirty Word In Tech 21:08 – Yash's Path From Teacher To GTM Engineer 24:54 – The Build vs. Buy Problem With LMS Platforms 28:09 – Control The Environment, Not The Process 32:37 – Why Attribution Doesn't Matter — It's All Vibes 36:18 – Inside Clay's Six-Pod GTM Ecosystem 42:16 – Yash's One-Year Goal: Rebuilding Certification Josh is writing a book on building customer relationships. Follow his journey and insights at www.joshschachter.com Where to Find the Guest: Yash's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/yashtekriwal Where to Find the Hosts: Josh's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jschachter/ Unchurned Substack: https://unchurned.substack.com/ Samantha's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/samantha-murray613/

    He Created a Job Title 1,000+ People Now Have ft. Yash Tekriwal (Clay)
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If you're experimenting with automation, questioning the traditional post-sales model, or trying to drive more value with less headcount, you're in the right place. AI won’t fix churn, but these conversations might. Retention is the new growth, AI is rewriting the rules. Hosted by Josh Schachter, SVP of Atlas at Gainsight, [Un]Churned—the No. 1 podcast for retention and Customer Success leaders—features real talk with the sharpest minds in the Customer Success space. We dig into how teams are scaling smarter, activating AI agents, and redesigning the customer journey for lasting impact.

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