Next Level Agents: The Kevin & Fred Show - Interviews with the best and brightest minds in the real estate industry

Kevin Kauffman and Fred Weaver
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Interviews from the best and brightest minds in the real estate industry. We cover topics like Investing, listings, buyers, brokerage, technology, entrepreneurship and so much more. Brought to you by KevinandFred.com

  1. Jul 13

    The ABC Goal Grading System: How to Grade Your Day and Fix How You Feel

    What if you graded your day the same way school graded you? Chris Bowers did it for three weeks straight. Every day got a score: A, B, C, or D across health, production, and recruiting. Then he sat by the pool, asked himself how he actually felt in each area, and went back to check the spreadsheet. The feelings matched the grades. Every single time. The ABC system takes about ten minutes to set up. You write rules for what an A, B, and C look like in each area of your life, you grade yourself daily, and you let an accountability partner see the scoreboard. It sounds simple because it is. The hard part is being honest about the D's. Key takeaways: How the ABC system works: A is a stretch, B is what you can do consistently and feel good about, C is the bare minimum that keeps the habit alive Your mood matches your grade average. If a category feels like a C this month, the fix is getting A's tomorrow The jump from C to B is easy once you start moving. Nobody jumps from C to A in a single day Track the D's honestly. The scoreboard only works if you stop hiding from it Your rules are yours. Chris and Nolan set completely different standards for an A, and that's the point. Stop playing by anybody else's standards If this hit home, do the ten minutes. Write your rules, grade today, and hand the spreadsheet to someone who will call you out. And if you're ready to surround yourself with agents who keep score like this every day, learn more about what we're building at nextlevelagents.com/exp. You can also catch us in person. Head to nextlevelagents.com and hit the events tab for our next virtual and in-person masterminds.

  2. Jul 9

    The Compound Leverage Effect: How Protecting Your Time Makes You Richer

    Motivation is overrated. That's the uncomfortable truth at the center of this conversation. Chris Bowers, Nolan Rucker, and I go deep on why some agents burn out chasing goals while others build businesses that get lighter and more profitable every single year. We get into the seasons of fatigue every agent hits, why people pleasers struggle the most with leverage, and the moment each of us realized we'd already blown past what we once thought was possible. Chris breaks down what he calls the compound leverage effect, and we all get honest about the daily mechanisms we use when the motivation just isn't there. Key takeaways: Burnout usually means you're doing work you never had to do in the first place. Get leveraged or sell fewer homes, but pick one. Motivation is unreliable. Scoreboards, systems, and a written plan carry you on the days it doesn't show up. Decide the relationship you want to have with your business, then only pull the levers that support it. Debt is a choice more often than agents admit. Lower your burn rate and you buy back your freedom. You can admire someone else's model and still choose never to implement it. Be a student, not a follower. If this one hit home, it's time to get around people who build businesses on purpose. Head to nextlevelagents.com/exp to learn what's next, and check out the events tab at nextlevelagents.com for our upcoming virtual and in-person masterminds.

  3. Jul 6

    AI Won't Kill Your Real Estate Business, But Ignoring Your Leads Will

    AI is the loudest conversation in real estate right now, and most agents are handling it wrong. Some are panicking. Some are pretending it doesn't exist. And a whole lot are burning their best money-making hours building automations instead of talking to buyers and sellers. On this episode, Chris Bowers, Nolan Rucker, and I get honest about where AI actually fits in your business today. We've seen this movie before. A decade ago, everyone swore Zillow would put agents out of business. Before that, the old guard mocked us for embracing social media. Both times, the agents who kept selling while they learned the new tool lapped everyone else. That's the play here too. In this episode: Why AI belongs in your "second shift" and your prime hours still belong to lead generation The Zillow panic, the social media wave, and what both taught us about betting on new technology Real agents closing real deals with AI right now, including one agent's 11 closings in 10 months from AI-driven leads The danger of outsourcing your thinking, and why your clients are already negotiating with you through a chatbot How to decide between hiring a VA and building with AI, starting with writing down the actual problems in your business Here's what I want you to do. Write down the three problems in your business that AI might solve, then guard your money-making hours while you figure them out. Uncertainty should make you move faster, not freeze up. If you're ready to surround yourself with agents who think this way, learn more about our community at nextlevelagents.com/exp and grab a seat at an upcoming mastermind on the events tab.

  4. Jul 2

    The 2% Habits Most Real Estate Agents Quit On (And How to Stay In)

    Every agent wants the strategy that changes everything. The truth is the agents winning right now are doing a handful of unglamorous things every single day while everyone else chases the next shiny tactic. This episode breaks down exactly what those things are and why they work. This is a raw share from the weekly Zoom Fred and I host for our eXp group. It is about conversations, follow-up, accountability, and showing up online whether you feel like it or not. If you have been spinning your wheels paying attention to the wrong things, this one resets your focus. Here is what to lock in: Make 10 to 15 meaningful two-minute conversations every day and log every one in your CRM. If you cannot pull up the note, it did not happen. Keep your CRM clean. Every lead gets an e-alert, a task, and a note, and your task list hits zero before you leave the office. Get a yoke partner. One ox pulls 4,000 pounds. Two yoked together pull 16,000. Accountability is how you pull four times the weight. Know the difference between a goal and a commitment. A goal gets changed when it gets hard. A commitment does not move. Post three times a day: one personal, one business value, one win. People are looking you up the second they hang up the phone, and now AI is scanning for you too. Ready to find the people who will actually hold your feet to the fire and pull alongside you? That is what we are building inside Next Level Agents at eXp. Come see what your next level looks like at https://nextlevelagents.com/exp/, and check the events tab at https://nextlevelagents.com for our next virtual and in-person masterminds.

  5. Jun 29

    Why Most Agents Stay Broke (And the Mindset Shift That Fixes It)

    Here's the hard truth most agents don't want to hear: you didn't earn freedom the day you got your license. You earned a job. And until you treat it like one, you'll keep riding the same feast-or-famine rollercoaster that keeps good agents broke for years. This episode is about flipping that mindset for good. Stop calling yourself an entrepreneur who can show up whenever and leave whenever. Start showing up like the best employee you'd ever hire, the kind who'd get paid like a CEO. When you build real standards around your time, your tasks, and your lead generation, the income follows. Not because it's magic, but because it's intentional. Here's what gets broken down: Why the "I'm an entrepreneur, I do what I want" belief is exactly what keeps agents stuck and broke The "work it like a job, get paid like a CEO" framework: a real start time, a real end time, and a real job description Why 90% of your job is client acquisition and only 10% is servicing clients, and what to offload first The five lead gen levers that actually add up to 20 connects a day (sphere, social media, cold lead gen, open houses, agent referrals) without buying a single dialer lead How to put yourself on a 30-day PIP and hold standards across your business, your health, and your relationships If you're tired of doing two deals, getting flush, then going broke 60 days later, this is the reset. Pick one lever, put a real start and end time on your calendar, and run it like someone's paying you $100,000 to do it. Because someone is: you. Want a room full of agents and leaders building businesses this way? Come see what we're doing at Next Level Agents inside eXp Realty: https://nextlevelagents.com/exp/ Please leave us a review at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://ratethispodcast.com/nla

  6. Jun 22 ·  Bonus

    REPLAY: Why Most Real Estate Agents Will Never Have True Freedom (And What to Do About It)

    You're busy. You're closing deals. You might even be making great money. But are you actually building toward freedom — or just building a faster treadmill? Kevin Kauffman sits down with returning guest and real estate veteran Chris Bowers for a raw, no-fluff conversation about what it really takes to get to the next level in both production and building residual income through recruiting at eXp Realty. Chris has been chasing a specific goal for six years — $50,000 a month in passive income — and he's getting close. But what makes this episode hit different is the moment he realizes mid-conversation that it was never about the money at all. It's about time. And that distinction changes everything about how you approach your business. Key themes from this episode: The difference between flexibility and actual freedom — and why most agents are lying to themselves about which one they have Why the number of no's you get in recruiting is directly tied to the income you make — and how to get emotionally ready to handle more of them How clarity on your "one thing" makes tactics irrelevant — and why the agents who win aren't necessarily the smartest, just the most focused The ego risk of building at eXp vs. the capital risk of traditional brokerage ownership — and which one is actually harder to swallow What happens when you hit 200 agents in your organization and realize what got you there won't get you to the next level Why vision without daily action is just daydreaming — and how to close the gap between the life you want and the one you're actually living If you've been telling yourself you don't have time to recruit, this episode is a direct challenge to that story. Chris and Kevin break down why recruiting isn't a separate business — it IS the business — and how 30 focused minutes a day can change your financial trajectory more than another year of grinding production. Ready to learn more about what building at eXp could look like for you? Head to⁠ nextlevelagents.com/exp⁠ to get the full picture.

  7. Jun 18

    The $11 Recruiting Strategy That Took One Houston Team From 12 Agents to 55

    What if the thing standing between you and a bigger team isn't your budget, your leads, or your market… it's a 15-minute phone call you keep skipping? Houston team leader Shahin Naghavi went from 12 agents to 55 in roughly six months. No fancy funnel. No expensive recruiting company. Just a phone, a few seconds of video, and a willingness to do the one thing most team leaders hand off: actually talk to the people who want to work with him. He breaks down the exact ad spend, the speed-to-lead system, and the recruiting call framework he uses every single time. Here's what you'll want to steal from this one: The 10-second video ad that pulls agents in: film yourself, say you need licensed agents, run it for $100 a day, and let the volume do the work Why speed to lead wins recruiting: the moment a lead comes in, Shahin or his sales manager is on a group text within minutes, and the agent gets to see the actual team leader show up The "spend it now" testing philosophy: instead of waiting six months to see if something works, front-load the money and find out fast The 15-minute recruiting call framework: splits first, value prop second, one simple requirement to join (be hyper supportive) The hard truth about who belongs on your team: every agent you bring on should move your business forward, not just give you someone to help If you've been telling yourself you can't recruit because you don't have the leads, the budget, or the time, this episode flips that excuse on its head. The real question is whether you're willing to be the person who picks up the phone. Ready to build a team that runs without you and a business that takes you to your next level? Come see what we're building at eXp: https://nextlevelagents.com/exp/. Want to connect with us live? Check out the events tab at https://nextlevelagents.com for our upcoming virtual and in-person masterminds. Connect with the guest: Shahin Naghavi on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/shahinnaghavi/ Please leave us a review at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://ratethispodcast.com/nla⁠⁠⁠⁠

  8. Jun 15

    Identity First, Results Follow: The Shift Every Agent Avoids

    What if the thing holding your business back isn't your lead gen, your market, or your systems? What if it's the version of you that's showing up every day? That's the question Kevin Kauffman puts on the table in this episode, and it changes everything about how you approach growth. Most agents don't have a knowledge problem. They know they should be making more calls, recruiting, posting more, following up better. The information is everywhere. What's rare is transformation, and transformation requires an identity shift that most people avoid because it's uncomfortable. This one is all about closing that gap between who you are today and who your future requires you to become. What you'll take away: Why the skills that got you to your first sale, or your fiftieth, won't automatically get you to a team or an organization The "identity gap" and why every breakthrough is preceded by an identity shift, not a new tactic How to borrow strength from a different version of yourself before a hard conversation, a recruiting call, or a listing appointment The one question that shifts your focus from tactics to transformation: who do I need to become to do this? Three journal questions to find the version of you that already has the result you want Your future business is waiting on a future version of you. If this one hit, go listen to the full episode, then come find out what becoming that person looks like inside our community at nextlevelagents.com/exp. Want to connect in person or virtually first? Check the events tab at nextlevelagents.com for the upcoming mastermind calendar. Please leave us a review at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://ratethispodcast.com/nla⁠⁠⁠⁠

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