Everyone Is Right

Integral Life
Everyone Is Right

A podcast about life, the universe, and everything, Everyone Is Right delivers cutting-edge perspectives and practices to help you thrive in a rapidly changing world. Because no one is smart enough to be wrong all the time.

  1. How the Drama Triangle Keeps You Stuck (and How to Break Free)

    DEC 8

    How the Drama Triangle Keeps You Stuck (and How to Break Free)

    Watch the full episode here: https://integrallife.com/breaking-the-cycle-drama-problem-solving-and-relational-mastery/ In this episode, Corey deVos and Dr. Keith Witt explore one of the most common yet misunderstood aspects of human interaction: the tension between drama and problem-solving. They dive deeply into the "Drama Triangle," a psychological framework that reveals how the roles of victim, rescuer, and persecutor trap us in cycles of dysfunction. These dynamics, while often personal, are also embedded in cultural systems, politics, and even therapy itself. Drawing from integral theory, Keith explains how drama is a signal of relational disconnection and unmet needs, while problem-solving is a path of self-awareness, connection, and growth. They discuss how therapy provides a transformative space by balancing unconditional acceptance with clear expectations for change, helping clients shift from reactive drama to creative problem-solving. Through rich examples—including Keith’s personal stories and reflections—they illuminate the emotional and relational signals that help us recognize when we’re stuck in drama and how to move beyond it. Key themes include: - The power of self-awareness to shift from reactive drama to empowered problem-solving. - How relational disconnection is often the first problem to solve in any relationship. - The interplay of cultural narratives, such as green postmodernism, in amplifying cycles of victimhood and blame. - Why integrating emotional connection (relating) with practical resolution (problem-solving) creates transformative relationships. - The role of emotional signals, such as urgency or secrecy, in identifying drama dynamics. Whether you’re navigating complex relationships, exploring personal growth, or grappling with cultural and systemic challenges, this episode offers practical insights and profound perspective shifts. Join Corey and Keith as they unpack the patterns that keep us stuck and the practices that help us grow.

    10 min
  2. SALT for Climate: Redefining Urgency and Transformation in Climate Leadership

    OCT 30

    SALT for Climate: Redefining Urgency and Transformation in Climate Leadership

    The Sensemaking, Action, and Leadership Training (SALT) for Climate initiative tackles a crucial blindspot in today’s climate response: the lack of conscious, integrative sensemaking as a foundation for meaningful action. SALT for Climate brings together cutting-edge psychosocial research, skilled facilitation in human dynamics, and transformative Big Picture metatheories to help climate leaders address the psychological and systemic gaps in existing political, economic, and scientific paradigms.
 Through specialized training and coaching, SALT enhances the emotional, social, and consciousness capacities of those leading climate efforts, bridging the divide between climate policies and public understanding—a gap that often stalls progress and drives polarization. This scalable approach complements the scientific and technical aspects of climate action, fostering greater public engagement and supporting more impactful, integrative climate leadership. 
In this episode of IAM Insider, host Josh Leonard sits down with Gail Hochachka and Lisa Gibson, leaders of the SALT for Climate initiative, to explore their pioneering approach to climate action. They discuss the often-overlooked psychological and social dimensions of climate work, share insights from their work on collective sensemaking and leadership training, and explain why a focus on human dynamics may be the missing piece in our response to the climate crisis. Listen in to discover how SALT for Climate is helping us rethink what effective climate action looks like.

    1h 15m
  3. What Is the Content/Structure Fallacy?

    OCT 23

    What Is the Content/Structure Fallacy?

    Watch the full episode here: https://integrallife.com/the-content-structure-fallacy-the-common-mistake-most-integralists-make/ What is the Content/Structure Fallacy? The Content/Structure fallacy refers to the mistaken assumption that a person’s surface-level beliefs or statements (content) directly correspond to their deeper developmental stage (structure). In reality, just because someone expresses ideas that seem to align with a particular developmental level doesn’t mean they are themselves operating from that level. In other words, it’s not what we believe, but how we hold those beliefs that reflects our stage of development. For example, someone might champion pluralistic (Green) values but do so with the rigid, dogmatic mindset of an earlier Amber stage. This is common in certain ideological movements where progressive values are enforced in authoritarian or dogmatic ways — a clear case of later-stage content being interpreted and enacted through an earlier-stage lens. It’s similar to memorizing the solution to a calculus problem without knowing how to do the math that produces that solution in the first place. Conversely, just because someone identifies with a traditionally Amber affiliation like Christianity doesn’t mean they hold that faith in a purely Amber way. A person could practice Christianity through the reflective, self-authoring lens of Orange (modern) or even from an Integral (Teal or Turquoise) perspective, embodying a more complex and nuanced understanding of their faith. We often encounter stereotypes like “environmentalists must be Green” or “entrepreneurs must be Orange,” but these assumptions overlook the complexity of how individuals hold and express their values. It’s possible to advocate for environmental causes (typically associated with Green) from a highly rational, results-oriented (Orange) perspective, or even from a deeply principled and disciplined (Amber) perspective. Similarly, an entrepreneur might embrace meritocratic values (Orange) but approach their business with a more inclusive, systems-aware stance (Green or Teal), or perhaps use. As such, judging someone’s developmental depth based solely on their surface beliefs or affiliations is a mistake. Once the products of a given stage are socialized within a larger group, they can function more like a horizontal cultural typology than a vertical developmental structure. For example, postmodernism may have emerged from individuals at the Green stage, but as it became widely adopted across the larger culture, it was no longer exclusively populated by Green-stage individuals. Not everyone participating in postmodern culture operates from a Green stage of development. We can observe similar patterns in movements like DEI [link to Seven Sins of DEI] or even in the Integral movement [link to Integral Global]. Lastly, we must also examine our own developmental structures and how they influence our interpretation of others’ content. Our judgments about others might reveal more about our own developmental limitations and blind spots than theirs. If we are using stage theory in shallow or stereotypical ways, it may indicate that we ourselves may have a content-structure fallacy built into our own self-concept, as we repeat integral-sounding content while holding it in decidedly sub-integral ways.

    15 min
  4. Ready, Steady, Grow: The Art and Science of Vertical Development [PREVIEW]

    JUL 19

    Ready, Steady, Grow: The Art and Science of Vertical Development [PREVIEW]

    In this insightful conversation, Corey DeVos and Beena Sharma explore the concept of vertical development and its importance in today's world. Beena, with over 30 years of experience in the field, shares her journey and evolving understanding of vertical development. The discussion covers several key areas: - The difference between horizontal and vertical development - Common challenges people face when growing into later stages of development - How vertical development can help address global challenges and metacrises - Practical advice and practices for fostering vertical development - The importance of polarity thinking in personal growth and understanding complex issues Beena emphasizes that vertical development is not a goal but an outcome of how we live and make sense of the world. She stresses the importance of integrating earlier stages of development and warns against complacency or self-congratulation at later stages. The conversation also touches on the application of vertical development to global issues, the role of AI in development, and the importance of having both power and perspective to effect change. Beena introduces her VEDA training programs, which offer in-depth exploration of vertical development for personal growth and professional application. The dialogue concludes with an invitation to the Integral community to engage with these programs and continue their developmental journey. To learn more about these training opportunities, click here: https://integrallife.com/veda-training Throughout the discussion, Beena and Corey highlight the transformative potential of understanding and applying vertical development principles in various aspects of life and society.

    19 min
  5. Radical Wholeness and the Five Paths of Transformation (Ken Wilber and Andrew Holecek)

    JUL 8

    Radical Wholeness and the Five Paths of Transformation (Ken Wilber and Andrew Holecek)

    In this fascinating and far-ranging discussion, Ken Wilber and Andrew Holecek explore the frontiers of integral theory and human consciousness. Ken shares some of the key insights from his latest book, "Finding Radical Wholeness," offering a novel and deeply insightful perspective on the nature of reality and human development. Listen as Ken and Andrew discuss Ken’s five-fold model of transformation: Waking Up: The traditional spiritual path of enlightenment or awakening, involving direct experiences of non-dual awareness or unity consciousness. This path is about recognizing our fundamental nature beyond the ego.
 Growing Up: Progressing through stages of psychological and cognitive development, from egocentric to ethnocentric to worldcentric and beyond. This path is about expanding our perspective and capacity for understanding complexity.
 Opening Up: Expanding our awareness and capacity across multiple intelligences or ways of perceiving and engaging with the world. This path is about actively cultivating different forms of intelligence, such as aesthetic (recognizing beauty), moral, emotional, and others, broadening our perception and deepening our engagement with life. Cleaning Up: Working through our psychological shadows and unconscious patterns, integrating repressed or denied aspects of ourselves for greater wholeness. By facing and embracing our hidden fears, traumas, and disowned parts, we free up energy and expand our capacity for authentic self-expression and relationship. Showing Up: Fully embodying our development in the world, actively engaging with life and manifesting our potential in practical ways. This path involves bringing our inner growth and insights into tangible expression, taking responsible action in our relationships, work, and communities, and living with authenticity and purpose in everyday life. Each of these five paths leads to a distinct form of wholeness that cannot be found through the other paths. The wholeness of Waking Up is not the same as the wholeness of Growing Up, and the wholeness achieved through Cleaning Up is different from that of Opening Up or Showing Up. These various types of wholeness complement each other, but are not reducible to one another, highlighting the importance of a comprehensive approach to human development and transformation. Ken and Andrew also discuss: * Wilber's latest thinking on these five types of wholeness, with particular emphasis on the often-overlooked "showing up" dimension.
 * A nuanced discussion of the pre/trans fallacy and its continued relevance in contemporary spiritual discourse,
 * The critical difference between “adual” and “nondual” experiences,
 * An expanded view of matter and consciousness, synthesizing panpsychism, autopoiesis, and integral metatheory,
 * Insights into the relationship between involution and evolution, and their moment-to-moment relevance in personal experience,
 * Wilber's thoughts on teleology in evolution, balancing fixed and playful aspects of developmental unfolding,
 * Practical strategies for embodying integral principles in personal practice and cultural engagement. Purchase Finding Radical Wholeness by Ken Wilber here: https://www.shambhala.com/finding-radical-wholeness.html This discussion was originally published on Andrew Holecek’s Edge of Mind podcast: https://edgeofmindpodcast.com/ken-wilber-in-an-insightful-discussion-on-integrating-spirituality-science-and-human-development/

    2h 4m
  6. How the Four Quadrants Can Help the World [PREVIEW]

    JUN 28

    How the Four Quadrants Can Help the World [PREVIEW]

    Keith Martin-Smith explores the potential and pitfalls of integral theory in addressing global challenges. He argues that while integral thinking offers valuable tools for understanding complex systems and human development, it often falls short in practice due to misapplication and ego-driven superiority complexes. Keith proposes a more nuanced approach: treating people as unique individuals, communicating integral ideas more skillfully, and focusing on practical applications rather than theoretical grandstanding. [line] At its best, Integral Theory is a powerful tool and map to help us to better understand ourselves and our world. The AQAL model – all quadrants, lines, levels, states, and types – has helped hundreds, perhaps thousands, better navigate the world with compassion and care, and wisdom and humility.   At its worst, integral Theory can lead to what Keith Martin-Smith calls the “insufferable integralist,” or someone who uses the theory to look down on others they deem “less evolved” then they are. Or to create a cognitive tower from which to look down on the world, disembodied and unable to do much of anything but watch. This can create a cult-like “in-group” that can become obsessed with their own development and use the model as a cudgel on others.   Today we face a polycrisis or metacrisis – existential-level problems in economics, technology, energy production and access, late-stage capitalism,  increasing polarity in almost all Western democracies, and the fracturing of truth. For the first time, the existential challenges facing humankind are entirely created and sustain by us. More and more, we all live in our separate worlds, with our own beliefs, cultures, and good and bad guys. And the world burns, people suffer, and we divide against one another at a time we need to be coming together.   Can Integral Theory, applied wisely, do good for the world, and for each of us? How do we hold the model lightly but wisely, and be careful about the traps it can create? Key concepts discussed in this talk will be polarities such as discernment versus judgement, modesty versus surety, compassion versus condemnation.   If you’ve been curious how Integral might help you and the world, but leery of the ways it can seemingly misguide those who know it, this talk may be helpful for you.

    12 min
  7. Transforming Law Enforcement: Integral Policing Roundtable

    JUN 20

    Transforming Law Enforcement: Integral Policing Roundtable

    Modern law enforcement faces complex and evolving challenges that demand innovative solutions. High-profile incidents, such as the deaths of George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, and Eric Garner, have intensified public scrutiny, leading to significant swings in perception and policy. To navigate this turbulent environment, integrative frameworks offer the most promising path forward. By addressing deep-rooted issues and promoting sustainable change, these frameworks provide the necessary tools for transformative progress in policing. In this wide-ranging roundtable discussion, the Institute of Applied Metatheory’s Josh Leonard hosts three leading experts in the field of integral policing to explore how applying big-picture, integrative frameworks could help address the complex challenges facing modern law enforcement. The three panelists for this conversation are Chris Orrey, a retired police lieutenant from California, Gestur Palmason, a former police officer from Iceland, and Ryan Johansen, the current Chief of Police for San Bruno, California. Together, they explore the current landscape of policing from a big-picture perspective and demonstrate the potential for integral metatheory to drive transformative change in one of the most critical and challenging issue areas of our time. The discussion delves into the powerful pendulum swings in public perception and policy that often follow high-profile incidents like the murder of George Floyd in 2020, and how an integral approach could help transcend these reactive cycles through a dialectical integration of opposing social pressures. Key leverage points for transformation that emerge from the conversation include: 1. Training police leadership in the Integral Four Quadrants model as a powerful sense-making tool for navigating complexity 2. Emphasizing officer wellness and resilience programs to support the healthy interior development of individual officers 3. Rethinking police metrics and KPIs to more holistically assess the success and health of police departments across all four quadrants 4. Fostering a culture of ongoing learning and development that empowers officers to adapt and grow with the increasing complexity of their roles While the path to a more integral future for policing is far from clear, the remarkable results and breakthroughs shared by Chief Johansen offer an inspiring glimpse of what's possible when these big-picture integrative frameworks are put into practice with tact and vision. The roundtable also reflects on the critical role of developmental leadership in shepherding this transformation. As more mature leaders begin to recognize the power and potential of integrative frameworks to help them better navigate the complexities of modern policing, we could be on the cusp of an exciting new wave of innovation and evolution in the field. Join us for this thought-provoking and timely discussion as we explore how integrative metatheory could hold the key to ushering in a new era of policing — one that fosters greater trust, effectiveness, and resilience for officers and communities alike.

    1h 40m
  8. Reintegrating DEI: Beyond the Culture Wars [PREVIEW[

    JUN 7

    Reintegrating DEI: Beyond the Culture Wars [PREVIEW[

    Watch the full discussion here: https://integrallife.com/reintegrating-dei/ What does DEI look like if we remove the politically loaded terms and ideas and focus on a developmental understanding instead? What might we see if we ourselves can take a broader and deeper view into this divisive and important cultural moment that is reshaping our world? A postmodern view, one that has moved beyond the strict confines of rationality, is what has brought awareness of many of DEI’s principles and claims to the foreground of our culture. This developmental perspective can see things that pervious perspectives were blind to, and at its best, DEI shows us a world in which cultural assumptions, the social construction of the self, and the limitations of rationality and science can create powerfully unseen bias against certain groups. What does this look like, from the mature DEI viewpoint? What can it really see, what are its own hidden assumptions, and why is it causing so much societal friction that is overheating everything from school board meetings to national politics? In Europe, we are seeing the rise of the far right. In America, we see Trumpism fighting to turn back the clock on many of DEI’s policies. And many in the middle have seen even the best-meaning DEI initiatives produce frustrating unintended and hypocritical consequences, such as illiberalism, exclusivity in their demands for inclusivity, homogeneity in their call for heterogeneity, and intolerance in their desire for tolerance. A robust and thorough understanding of the primary worldviews at play can help us to better appreciate what’s really being seen, how each stage is showing us important truths even as they create their own problems that need solving. In this talk, Keith Martin-Smith explains the developmental levels in detail that allowed DEI to form in the first place, as well as the levels from which DEI is often expressed (and resisted) from, allowing us to more clearly see and understand the cultural wars we are all experiencing. The goal of this talk is to bring greater understanding and empathy for those advocating the DEI view, as well as for those fighting against it, all framed by a broader and deeper understanding of the evolution of our personal and cultural worldviews and how they interact with each other.

    13 min
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A podcast about life, the universe, and everything, Everyone Is Right delivers cutting-edge perspectives and practices to help you thrive in a rapidly changing world. Because no one is smart enough to be wrong all the time.

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