Talking Real Money - Investing Talk

Don McDonald
Talking Real Money - Investing Talk

Financial talk radio veteran, Don McDonald and former host of Serious Money on PBS, Tom Cock, join forces to talk about real money issues. In each episode, they solve real money problems, dole out real investing (not speculating) advice, and really explain the financial issues that effect all of us. Plus, it's actually fun! Talking Real Money is a podcast designed to provide the real help we all need to enjoy a really great future. Call in with your questions anytime at 855-935-TALK (8255).

  1. 53M AGO

    Less Risk Can Cost More

    Don flies solo on this episode of Talking Real Money, fielding calls and calling out the nonsense in fancy investment gimmicks. From market-neutral funds to buffered ETFs, he lays out the case for simplicity, diversification, and discipline over complexity and high fees. Along the way, he compares real-world returns of flashy funds to the humble Vanguard Balanced Index, explains the math behind risk and reward, and gently teases listeners dabbling in covered calls and premium farming. With real estate worries, Schwab steak dinners, and Tesla bulls turned cautious, this episode is classic Don: blunt, funny, and laser-focused on keeping it real… money. 0:04 Friendly welcome and a call for co-hosting help as Don flies solo 1:16 Call-in number shared, and Don apologizes for occasionally sounding political 3:01 Markets are volatile—skip the politics, let’s talk practical moves 3:59 Media fear-mongering and the pitch for “alternatives” 5:13 Barron's & WSJ pitch fancy stuff—Don calls it gimmickry 7:15 Long-term market history shows why patience wins 8:54 The Campbell Systematic Macro Fund vs Vanguard Balanced Index 11:20 Comparing performance, risk, and costs—spoiler: Vanguard wins 12:45 Complexity benefits salespeople, not investors 13:33 Jim from Tacoma asks about “buffered ETFs” 14:02 Don explains buffered ETFs, costs, and gimmick risk 16:23 The danger of complex products with little upside 17:41 Expense ratios and risk in buffered funds vs Vanguard again 19:34 Greg from Florida gets pitched “Schwab Personalized Indexing” over grouper 22:15 Direct indexing: useful, but only for big portfolios 23:20 Planning is more powerful than piecemeal strategies 25:58 High costs, tax strategies, and why a real plan matters 28:00 Laura in Olympia asks about selling her home to retire 29:24 Market timing fears and the power of diversification 30:59 Passive income myth and the burden of managing property 31:56 Adjusting risk with age and leaning on fiduciary advice 33:14 Real estate market is strong—Don gives Laura confidence 34:34 Jason from Sammamish—the “Tesla Bull”—asks about premium farming 36:01 Writing covered calls to buy into VONG—Don offers cautious perspective 37:51 Don’s stockbroker days and every strategy eventually failing 39:09 Covered calls as fun, not a serious strategy—Don doesn’t want copycats 39:52 Don signs off with a reminder: invest simply, plan wisely, and stop guessing Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    46 min
  2. 22H AGO

    Wall Street Wants You Scared

    In this episode of Talking Real Money, Don McDonald and Tom Cock discuss practical strategies for navigating recessions without panic or unnecessary market timing. They critique the constant, fear-driven speculation around economic downturns and emphasize maintaining a disciplined, long-term approach. Highlighting actual investor behavior from Dalbar studies, they explain why market timing almost always results in poorer returns. Tom humorously criticizes aggressive pickup truck drivers and touches on avoiding common recession-investing mistakes, advocating instead for careful asset allocation, understanding emotional risk tolerance, and maintaining a sensible emergency fund. Listener questions prompt discussions on treasury ladders versus bond funds, the impact of expense ratios, and effective short-term cash management. 0:10 Surviving and thriving during recessions 0:26 Probability of recession discussions 1:04 Don criticizes recession scare tactics 1:46 Humorous digression about pickup trucks 2:49 Audience wants solutions, not problems 3:48 Avoiding common recession investing mistakes 4:39 Wall Street Journal example of market timing errors 5:29 Importance of emergency cash for retirees 6:04 Risk versus loss in investing 6:28 Understanding emotional risk tolerance 8:01 Critique of Wall Street's short-term focus 8:36 Long-term investing approach regardless of recession 9:01 Dalbar study reveals poor market-timing results 10:51 Long-term Dalbar investor returns vs. market returns 13:09 Humorous tangent on global population 13:44 Listener questions segment begins 14:33 Discussing asset allocation and bond fund concerns 16:18 Bond ladder vs. bond fund debate 17:20 Examining long-term bond fund returns 18:09 Benefits and drawbacks of bond funds 19:28 Comparing money market fund options (DTAXX) 21:06 Expense ratios significantly impact returns Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    26 min
  3. 6D AGO

    Your Proper Risk

    Don and Tom explore the role of risk, resilience, and rational investing as they tackle stock market uncertainty, Roth conversion confusion, and Robinhood’s attempt to lure new users. They mix in practical advice with plenty of caller questions—plus a detour into air-dried laundry, social media skepticism, and an appreciation for the film Tune Out the Noise. It's Talking Real Money in its purest form: smart, skeptical, and occasionally funny. 0:04 Intro: Making money more understandable 1:09 Tom’s tech issues and growing role of the stock market 2:11 When you should sell stocks in retirement 3:31 Risk capacity vs risk tolerance explained 5:14 Funny promo: Financial Flinch Reflex (FFR) 6:32 Stock market participation then vs now 7:04 Caller: Gratitude for 'Tune Out the Noise' documentary 8:16 The real goal of the show: Tuning out the noise 10:45 Caller Paul on clothesline nostalgia and laundry talk 13:05 Documentary's backstory, David Booth’s art & Dimensional’s origins 14:30 Why market timing makes you crazy and poor 15:57 Caller Tom sees a Facebook Roth ad—what gives? 17:46 Breaking down legitimate Roth conversion strategies 19:31 Don’s rant on Facebook, Tom’s retreat to LinkedIn 20:39 Caller Roger: Can you convert RMDs into Roth? (Spoiler: no) 21:37 Clarifying RMDs vs Roth conversions—rules & misunderstandings 24:14 Direct 401(k) to Roth IRA conversion—confirmed 25:59 Q: Why add bonds if you're 20 years from retirement? 28:03 How real people react to 50% portfolio drops 29:16 The truth about emotional investing and loss tolerance 31:08 Why Robinhood’s "free money" comes at a cost 32:56 Custodians vs Gamifiers: Schwab, Fidelity, and the Robinhood trap Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    46 min
  4. APR 15

    A Wild Ride

    Wild market swings, political chaos, and investor confusion set the stage for this episode. Don and Tom break down the emotional impact of volatility, the myths of market timing, and the wisdom in sticking to long-term plans. With insights from Jason Zweig and some smart listener Q&A, they remind us that discipline—not prediction—is what builds wealth, even in uncertain times. 0:01 Intro with the 'interesting times' curse and the current market confusion 0:48 S&P 500 drops 10.5% in two days, bounces back 9.5%—market whiplash 1:33 How volatility overloads the brain and leads to bad decisions 2:28 Few people understand tariffs—uncertainty drives market instability 3:24 The idea of the market as a fourth branch of government 3:38 Why owning stocks long-term still makes sense 5:03 Investor panic: emotional decisions vs. rational plans 6:27 Jason Zweig's four questions for investors—clarity through chaos 8:13 Why you own stocks: not trade stability, but long-term growth 9:08 What's changed? Trust, tariffs, and long-term resilience 10:27 You earn the premium by enduring market fear 10:31 The emotional trap of anchoring and chasing returns 11:44 The fantasy of upside-only investing—and the danger of chasing it 13:04 Caller Jeff: Should I dollar-cost into ETFs or sell and buy all at once? 14:27 Advice: In a retirement account, just make the shift—it’s lateral 16:04 Caller Bill: Accidental portfolio drift and how to rebalance to 50/50 19:05 Simple ETF plan vs. target-date funds for retiring investors 20:37 Caller Joe: Real estate success and why stocks aren’t for everyone 27:09 The overlooked danger of foreign countries selling U.S. debt 30:24 Bond prices, interest rates, and currency impacts explained 32:04 U.S. credit rating vs. the world—and why diversification still matters 33:28 Tariff risks, political uncertainty, and long-term investing perspective 35:25 If you’ve invested right, you don’t need to react 39:04 Tom’s "work trip" vacation and Don flying solo next week Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    45 min
  5. APR 14

    A Fool and His Money...

    In this classic swirl of candor, humor, and financial sense, Don and Tom tackle the human habit of financial foolishness—from betting big on speculative ETFs to ignoring global diversification. They call out the irony of investment products like ELON, roast the current state of the Motley Fool, and offer real-world perspective on international investing, market timing myths, and retirement portfolio design. They even sprinkle in a few thesaurus gems for good measure. 0:04 Welcome and warning: this episode is full of tangents, tomfoolery, and truth 0:48 Netflix documentary detour: why are people (and investors) so dumb? 2:01 International investing: why people ignore it and why that’s… dumb 3:49 U.S. vs international returns in early 2025—surprise! It’s not all about the S&P 5:16 Market irony and the value of global diversification 6:09 A disappointing turn from The Motley Fool (and a very public grudge) 6:59 Enter the ELON ETF—double Tesla, short Ford, and down 64% 9:41 What happens when leverage meets marketing in the worst way 11:10 A $750K fund that made… $675 in fees. Yep. 11:57 Foolish investor behaviors: feelings ≠ foresight 13:37 The (simple) path to real investing: low-cost, tax-efficient, diversified portfolios 14:28 Punchline investing: don’t be a dunce—be global, be patient 15:52 Listener Q: Is my mix of S&P 500, TDFs, and Roth diversification enough? 17:26 Portfolio allocation advice: stock/bond mix first, account strategy second 19:28 Suggestion: get a professional plan before retirement 20:00 Buffered ETFs: what they are, why they’re pricey, and why they disappoint 23:22 Returns reality check: buffered funds vs plain S&P 500 24:47 The big lie of hedged products—"all the upside, none of the risk" 25:19 Wrapping up with more Q&A, grandkids, and international call jokes 29:33 Tom’s latest investment: soccer team ownership (yes, really) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    33 min
  6. APR 11

    Talking Real Rules

    Don and Tom put popular retirement rules of thumb under the microscope—testing everything from the 4% withdrawal rule to the idea of downsizing your home in retirement. With equal parts logic and skepticism, they explore whether these oft-repeated guidelines still hold up in today's financial landscape. Along the way, they touch on portfolio construction, social security timing (with Don’s real-life dilemma), and why rules are made to be... at least bent. Plus, a few listener questions round out the episode with practical portfolio advice and fund critiques. 0:04 Intro: Humans love rules—including rules of thumb 1:30 Should we ditch retirement rules altogether? Or are they helpful shortcuts? 3:23 Rule #1: The 4% withdrawal rule—what it gets right (and what it doesn’t) 5:08 Rule #2: The 80% income replacement rule—Tom hates it, and here’s why 7:49 Rule #3: Defer taxes with traditional IRAs—good idea or future tax trap? 10:02 Roth vs. traditional contributions—what young workers should do 10:39 Rule #4: The Rule of 110 for stock allocation—Don calls it dumb 12:32 Risk tolerance and personal flexibility matter more than age-based math 14:13 Rule #5: Wait till 70 for Social Security—Don admits he might not 16:38 Don's real-life dilemma: Take Social Security now or wait? 19:23 Rule #6: Downsizing your house in retirement—easier said than done 22:08 Final thoughts: Plans > rules of thumb, especially after age 50 23:07 Q&A: Why don’t you like Fidelity’s zero-fee funds? (Short answer: they’re not fully diversified) 26:50 Are they bad? No. Would we recommend them? Also no. 27:25 Q&A: Retirees with $4M+—how to rebalance IRAs, Roths, and taxable efficiently Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    34 min
  7. APR 9

    Tariffs Feed Inflation

    This episode dives deep into the market’s latest mood swing and the potential impact of new tariffs on consumer costs—like the real price of your next iPhone. Don and Tom explain what tariffs are, how they work, and why they’re likely to fuel inflation. Plus, they tackle a range of listener questions, from the risks of fixed-income annuities and rebalancing portfolios, to why bonds (yes, still) deserve a place in your portfolio. And of course, they throw shade at both annuity commissions and self-proclaimed “legendary” market forecasters. Emotional investing? That’s the real danger. 0:04 Opening banter and why this has been “a heck of a money week” 1:01 What exactly is a tariff? And why you’re paying more than you think 4:29 The real cost breakdown of an iPhone—and what tariffs could do to it 6:58 How rising costs could slow down upgrades and hit the tech economy 8:11 Why economists (even at WSJ) are mostly anti-tariff 9:27 Listener question: Did Andrew make a mistake buying a fixed-income annuity? 14:47 The ethics of $45,000 commissions and what you give up with annuities 21:12 What if Andrew had just invested the money instead? 25:48 Listener challenge: Are bonds really worth it if returns lag inflation? 30:23 The real reason to own bonds—and it’s not about return 32:57 SQQQ gamble pays off—should Devin take the money and run? 34:35 Wrapping the week with a reminder: it’s not about guessing, it’s about planning Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    46 min
    4.5
    out of 5
    574 Ratings

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    Financial talk radio veteran, Don McDonald and former host of Serious Money on PBS, Tom Cock, join forces to talk about real money issues. In each episode, they solve real money problems, dole out real investing (not speculating) advice, and really explain the financial issues that effect all of us. Plus, it's actually fun! Talking Real Money is a podcast designed to provide the real help we all need to enjoy a really great future. Call in with your questions anytime at 855-935-TALK (8255).

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