114 episodes

Sheri and Matt Salis just wanted a normal life – normal marriage, normal careers, a normal house and happy kids. Instead, they lived a life of lies and terror as they struggled with Matt’s alcoholism. While their experience sounds rare, with over 15 millions problem drinkers in America, their alcoholic marriage was all too normal.



Matt has been writing about their experiences in alcoholism and recovery for years. On the Untoxicated Podcast, Sheri and Matt talk about it, too.



No subjects are off limits as the couple discusses the trauma of active addiction, the pain of early recovery, the destruction and rebuilding of trust, and the impact on their intimate relationship. If you love an alcoholic, the disease will terrorize your relationship. We hope you’ll listen and find healing in our shared stories.



For more support from Sheri and Matt, check out their Echoes of Recovery program providing connection and healing for the loved ones of alcoholics.

Untoxicated Podcast Matt & Sheri Salis

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    • 4.5 • 48 Ratings

Sheri and Matt Salis just wanted a normal life – normal marriage, normal careers, a normal house and happy kids. Instead, they lived a life of lies and terror as they struggled with Matt’s alcoholism. While their experience sounds rare, with over 15 millions problem drinkers in America, their alcoholic marriage was all too normal.



Matt has been writing about their experiences in alcoholism and recovery for years. On the Untoxicated Podcast, Sheri and Matt talk about it, too.



No subjects are off limits as the couple discusses the trauma of active addiction, the pain of early recovery, the destruction and rebuilding of trust, and the impact on their intimate relationship. If you love an alcoholic, the disease will terrorize your relationship. We hope you’ll listen and find healing in our shared stories.



For more support from Sheri and Matt, check out their Echoes of Recovery program providing connection and healing for the loved ones of alcoholics.

    Ep115 – Saving Alcoholics and Loved Ones with Christina Veselak

    Ep115 – Saving Alcoholics and Loved Ones with Christina Veselak

    Christina Veselak is a mental health nutritionist, a licensed marriage and family therapist, and a licensed psychotherapist who founded the Academy for Addiction and Mental Health Nutrition, and she agrees with Sheri and Matt that food is medicine. On this episode, she shares her 35 years of experience in the field helping people suffering from addiction - both alcoholics and their spouses and other loved ones - heal using the amino acids available in proteins. She gives colorful examples of why amino acid therapy is so effective, and offers special advice for loved ones looking for ways to regulate their overwhelmed nervous systems.



    For more about Christina's work, and to help her spread the message, please check out her new website, EatingProteinSavesLives.org, or click here to get her free ebook.



    If you love or loved an alcoholic, and your recovery could benefit from connection with people who understand, please check out our Echoes of Recovery program.

    • 53 min
    Ep114 – Thanksgiving Dread, Drinks and Drama

    Ep114 – Thanksgiving Dread, Drinks and Drama

    Alcohol plays such a prominent role in the Thanksgiving celebrations in our society that the holiday deserves a conversation all its own. On this episode, Sheri and Matt relive their Thanksgivings during his active alcoholism and his early sobriety. They also flex their SNL fanclub muscles, and Matt grosses Sheri out talking about eating the turkey neck. We hope you gobble up this episode (there's the pun you were waiting for).



    If you love or loved an alcoholic, and your recovery could benefit from connection with people who understand, please check out our Echoes of Recovery program.

    • 41 min
    Ep113 – Prodependence with Dr. Robert Weiss

    Ep113 – Prodependence with Dr. Robert Weiss

    Sheri and Matt welcome Dr. Robert Weiss, the author of Prodependence: Moving Beyond Codependency, to the Untoxicated Podcast. Dr. Rob has his PhD (he did his dissertation on codependency) and a masters in social work, and is an expert on addiction and adult intimacy disorders. He explains why codependence is not an actual diagnosis, and the blame and shame that the label carries is damaging to the loved ones of alcoholics. He calls the spouses and family of people suffering from addiction heroes, and explains why the concept of Prodependence is so much more accurate and effective because it celebrates empathy, compassion and relationship building. Dr. Rob honors Sheri for having the loving strength endure Matt's alcoholism and do her very best to help him find permanent sobriety. You can find more about Dr. Rob and his work at his websites:



    prodependence.com



    seekingintegrity.com



    sexandrelationshiphealing.com



    If you love or loved an alcoholic, and your recovery could benefit from connection with people who understand, please check out our Echoes of Recovery program.

    • 1 hr 7 min
    Ep112 – We Can’t Nurture Success with Negativity

    Ep112 – We Can’t Nurture Success with Negativity

    How do we expect positive outcomes in recovery when all of the language we use has a negative orientation? Stop drinking. Fix your spiritual deficiency. Don't be codependent. Focusing on positive outcomes is more than fluffy self-help jargon. On this episode, Sheri and Matt talk about the kinds of fundamental changes required for the recovery community to earn improved success rates. Matt quotes Dr. Abby Medcalf (Untoxicated Ep90) and Dr. Robert Weiss (Author of Prodependence and future Untoxicated guest) about the importance of positivity in the work they do with people in recovery. After the recording stops, Sheri makes fun of Matt's man crush on Dr. Weiss for about a day and a half (sorry you can't hear that).



    If you love or loved an alcoholic, and your recovery could benefit from connection with people who understand, please check out our Echoes of Recovery program.

    • 54 min
    Ep111 – Haunting Memories of Alcoholic Halloweens

    Ep111 – Haunting Memories of Alcoholic Halloweens

    Halloween specifically, and autumn in general, is a season with high rates of relapse and drunken trauma. We are intentionally releasing this episode about haunting memories of Halloweens in early November because we know so many of our listeners have just suffered traumatic alcoholic experiences, and we want to empathetically and supportively share our painful recollections. You are not alone! This episode starts with Sheri and Matt recalling Matt's love/hate relationship with Halloween starting from childhood. Just as alcoholism is a progressive disease, the terrorizing events of October 31st progress through this episode until Sheri gives an angry and emotional description of Matt's rock bottom Halloween moment from half a decade ago.



    If you love or loved an alcoholic, and your recovery could benefit from connection with people who understand, please check out our Echoes of Recovery program.



    Echoes of Recovery

    • 1 hr 8 min
    Ep110 – The Stigma of Codependency with Dawn

    Ep110 – The Stigma of Codependency with Dawn

    There is no doubt that the loved ones of alcoholics are victims, and that they require healing from the disease as the second-hand drinkers. But the label, "codependent," is often misused to make the loved ones feel blamed and shamed for loving a person who suffers from addiction. Dawn experienced the pain of that blame, and on this episode, she tells Sheri and Matt all about it. Dawn has done the work of discovery, and she shares her struggles with forgiveness and reconnecting. But she trusts boundaries that have made her strong and independent, and regardless of the outcome of her marriage, she is a true recovery success story.



    If you love or loved an alcoholic, and your recovery could benefit from connection with people who understand, please check out our Echoes of Recovery program.



    Echoes of Recovery

    • 1 hr 5 min

Customer Reviews

4.5 out of 5
48 Ratings

48 Ratings

Supsse ,

Patriarchal marriage

While I appreciate their candor, some of the episodes are especially tough to listen to. My husband and I have roughly the same story in terms of how alcohol impacted our 25 year relationship and are approximately the same age as the Salis couple. The episodes about their sexual history made me think I was listening to a couple from the 1950s. Submissiveness and patriarchy have hurt women for centuries. I hope that they and those listening will think about the messages that they want to send to, and model for, their children. This cycle of women serving men has to be broken. That being said, this has been helpful in modeling open communication in recovery and making those going through this feel less alone.

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Love your podcast!

I love your podcast!!!! I currently separated from my High functioning alcoholic husband. He had great potential and he literally was Matt and I was Sheri. I would love to come on your show and share my story. I have listened to over 15 episodes and learned so much!! I still am planning to divorce as my separated husband does not want to stop drinking. I continue to pray for a miracle, but god might have other plans for me. We were married 18 years August 2nd. The heartbreak is for real.
Thank you Matt and Sheri! Your vulnerability is amazing!!

I'm a Miranda ,

This Podcast is Exactly What I Was Looking For

I love that they offer the perspective of the alcoholic AND the spouse. Also love that they talk about science rather than spirituality. Their topics are often ones that I am currently struggling with and/or discussing with my alcoholic spouse.

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