191 episodes

Sheri and Matt Salis just wanted a normal life – normal marriage, normal careers, a normal house and happy kids. Instead, they lived a life of lies and terror as they struggled with Matt’s alcoholism. While their experience sounds rare, with over 15 millions problem drinkers in America, their alcoholic marriage was all too normal.



Matt has been writing about their experiences in alcoholism and recovery for years. On the Untoxicated Podcast, Sheri and Matt talk about it, too.



No subjects are off limits as the couple discusses the trauma of active addiction, the pain of early recovery, the destruction and rebuilding of trust, and the impact on their intimate relationship. If you love an alcoholic, the disease will terrorize your relationship. We hope you’ll listen and find healing in our shared stories.



For more support from Sheri and Matt, check out their Echoes of Recovery program providing connection and healing for the loved ones of alcoholics.

Untoxicated Podcast Matt & Sheri Salis

    • Society & Culture
    • 4.5 • 67 Ratings

Sheri and Matt Salis just wanted a normal life – normal marriage, normal careers, a normal house and happy kids. Instead, they lived a life of lies and terror as they struggled with Matt’s alcoholism. While their experience sounds rare, with over 15 millions problem drinkers in America, their alcoholic marriage was all too normal.



Matt has been writing about their experiences in alcoholism and recovery for years. On the Untoxicated Podcast, Sheri and Matt talk about it, too.



No subjects are off limits as the couple discusses the trauma of active addiction, the pain of early recovery, the destruction and rebuilding of trust, and the impact on their intimate relationship. If you love an alcoholic, the disease will terrorize your relationship. We hope you’ll listen and find healing in our shared stories.



For more support from Sheri and Matt, check out their Echoes of Recovery program providing connection and healing for the loved ones of alcoholics.

    Ep192 – The Power of Choice

    Ep192 – The Power of Choice

    Seven women who have made the impossibly difficult choice to move on from alcoholism through divorce talk about the challenges and the triumphs of their own personal recoveries. Some had small children, some had grown children and some had no children at the time of divorce. In come cases, their ex-husbands are now sober. In some cases, their ex-husbands are still drinking. Tragically, one of the ex-husbands lost his life to this disease. And while their stories have many differences, all seven of these alcoholism warriors have one thing in common: they fought hard to find the power to choose a better outcome. As Barbara says early in the episode, "Sometimes the happy ending is the divorce." That statement turns our societal messaging on its head. That statement is also very true, and these seven stories prove it.



    Sheri and Matt start the episode by answering a listener’s question Do you want to ask the couple something too? if so, send your question to matt@SoberAndUnashamed.com.



    If you love or loved an alcoholic, and your recovery could benefit from connection with people who understand, please check out our Echoes of Recovery program.

    • 1 hr 24 min
    Ep191 – Accountability, Envy, Fear, Anger & Blaming the Alcohol

    Ep191 – Accountability, Envy, Fear, Anger & Blaming the Alcohol

    Many of the people finding success in the alcoholism recovery community embrace some form of assigning the blame to the alcohol. And yet, so many people who are trying to recover, both the alcoholics and the loved ones, struggle with this concept. On this episode, Sheri and Matt break it down and try to identify the obstacles that keep people stuck: accountability, envy, fear and anger.



    Sheri and Matt start the episode by answering a listener’s question Do you want to ask the couple something too? if so, send your question to matt@SoberAndUnashamed.com.



    If you love or loved an alcoholic, and your recovery could benefit from connection with people who understand, please check out our Echoes of Recovery program.

    • 55 min
    Ep190 – Demand what You Deserve

    Ep190 – Demand what You Deserve

    If you are the spouse of an alcoholic, you deserve sobriety. But even once your relationship enters sobriety, you deserve more. You deserve a partner who carries his own weight, and is tough enough to hear the hard stuff. It is not enough to expect what you deserve. You have to be strong enough to demand it.



    Sheri and Matt start the episode by answering a listener’s question Do you want to ask the couple something too? if so, send your question to matt@SoberAndUnashamed.com.



    If you love or loved an alcoholic, and your recovery could benefit from connection with people who understand, please check out our Echoes of Recovery program.

    • 53 min
    Ep189 – Will I Ever Trust Again?

    Ep189 – Will I Ever Trust Again?

    Sheri and Matt break trust down into three components: safety, intimacy and honesty. Trust is the last thing to come back in a marriage that has suffered through alcoholism, and understanding how to work on this tripod of relationship recovery is critical. Don't underestimate how much harder repair is versus starting over fresh. Also, Matt shows how old he is by sharing lots of stupid sayings that need generational translation (while Sheri rolls her eyes).



    Sheri and Matt start the episode by answering a listener’s question Do you want to ask the couple something too? if so, send your question to matt@SoberAndUnashamed.com.



    If you love or loved an alcoholic, and your recovery could benefit from connection with people who understand, please check out our Echoes of Recovery program.

    • 57 min
    Ep188 – Relapse Threat after Rehab

    Ep188 – Relapse Threat after Rehab

    The threat of relapse after an inpatient rehab is real, but the threat is coming from more directions than we might understand. Sheri and Matt talk about threats posed by loss of identity, a lack of emotional expression, and the trading of self-care for stress. Be cautious when those 30 days are up. No matter what the calendar or the insurance company says, growth and discovery are never over. Unless, of course, you aren't opposed to relapse.



    Sheri and Matt start the episode by answering a listener’s question Do you want to ask the couple something too? if so, send your question to matt@SoberAndUnashamed.com.



    If you love or loved an alcoholic, and your recovery could benefit from connection with people who understand, please check out our Echoes of Recovery program.

    • 49 min
    Ep187 – What is Fun?

    Ep187 – What is Fun?

    As a drinker, alcohol was an major component of Matt's identity. And alcohol also influenced how he had fun. Phrases like, "Work hard, play hard," and, "You'll get all the sleep you need when you're dead," were Matt's mantras. So when alcohol is foundational to your identity, and play-hard partying is an emotional motivator, how the hell do you know who you are or how to have fun in sobriety? Sheri and Matt have some laughs, and a few tears, tackling this question.



    Sheri and Matt start the episode by answering a listener’s question Do you want to ask the couple something too? if so, send your question to matt@SoberAndUnashamed.com.



    If you love or loved an alcoholic, and your recovery could benefit from connection with people who understand, please check out our Echoes of Recovery program.

    • 53 min

Customer Reviews

4.5 out of 5
67 Ratings

67 Ratings

Supsse ,

Patriarchal marriage

While I appreciate their candor, some of the episodes are especially tough to listen to. My husband and I have roughly the same story in terms of how alcohol impacted our 25 year relationship and are approximately the same age as the Salis couple. The episodes about their sexual history made me think I was listening to a couple from the 1950s. Submissiveness and patriarchy have hurt women for centuries. I hope that they and those listening will think about the messages that they want to send to, and model for, their children. This cycle of women serving men has to be broken. That being said, this has been helpful in modeling open communication in recovery and making those going through this feel less alone.

nat124653 ,

It’s helpful and makes me feel validated and connected

I love this podcast! I get in waves to listening
To ten episodes at ones then taking a break
And listening to different podcast but I always come back to this one. I recently divorced my alcoholic husband and it is so nice to hear them talk about their relationship, their struggles, how they were both willing to work through the recovery process and now hearing them have a loving marriage. They are very honest and I appreciate it!!

Wormwooddove ,

All wives of alcoholics need this podcast

This podcast for me was at once validating and inspirational. Like most wives are of alcoholics desperate to save the man I love - who is suffering from a horrible disease - I poured over the internet looking for answers. What I found time and time again was - blame and shame towards the caregivers and moral judgement against my husband. Time and time again I was told that I was in part to blame and that I needed to let him hit “rock bottom” to shock and shame him into seeking help. A dangerous life threatening proposition - that no one would ever dream of telling a wife of someone suffering from cancer or dementia…. I stumbled upon this podcast from reading Matt’s posts in Medium. It was such a breath of fresh air. Finally someone with common sense and heart that gets it and has made it out of the tunnel victorious with their marriage thriving. I cannot say enough good things about this podcast. The one I would recommend listening to first is pro-dependency. I promise it will make you cry from finally being heard and understood.

To some of the negative reviews - my response is: 1) AA and ALANON also did not work for my husband - this podcast simply states that there are other alternatives. And fwiw this podcast spoke to me SPECIFICALLY because I was so frustrated about how AA and ALANON’S approach didn’t work for our family. I feel that Matt and Sherri’s approach may be better suited for more academically oriented couples. Lots of promoting evidence based approaches.
2) To some of the commentators about the nature of Matt and Sheri’s marriage…I’m at a loss. There are vast cultural differences throughout our country. Please respect their dynamics as you would want someone to respect the dynamics of your alcoholic relationship.

Please keep up the good work guys. You are making a difference in the lives of so many!

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