Business of Drinks

Business of Drinks
Business of Drinks

Welcome to the Business of Drinks, a podcast dedicated to helping drinks businesses grow and thrive. Whether you’re in wine, beer, or spirits, or the non-alcoholic drink space, we've got you covered. On the show, co-hosts Erica Duecy and Scott Rosenbaum take a data-driven approach, analyzing the products and categories that get customers and consumers excited. We look at case studies and interview industry experts and visionary newcomers, and we have fun in trying to identify new business opportunities as they emerge in real time.

  1. 1 DAY AGO

    47: Building a Gen Z Wine Brand with Jess Druey of Whiny Baby - Business of Drinks

    In this episode of Business of Drinks, contributor Caroline Lamb interviews Jess Druey, founder of Whiny Baby, a wine brand that’s helping to redefine wine culture for Gen Z and new wine drinkers. In a market often seen as intimidating and exclusive, Whiny Baby brings a fresh, playful, and inclusive perspective.  Since launching, Jess has scaled the brand to 6,000 cases in 2024, with plans to double production in 2025. Jess shares the story behind Whiny Baby, her bold approach to branding, and how she’s meeting new consumers where they are. In this episode, Jess shares: The inspiration behind Whiny Baby: an awkward date and an overwhelming wine aisle experience led Jess to create a wine brand that’s accessible and approachable for beginners. How naiveté can be a strength: Jess credits her lack of experience for allowing her to reimagine how things "should" be done in the wine industry, from branding to distribution. Breaking the wine mold: Whiny Baby features bold, sticker-inspired labels, crown caps, and playful bottle beads that resonate with Gen Z’s nostalgic and irreverent aesthetic. How a strategic partnership enabled the brand to scale quickly: Jess’s joint venture with the McBride Sisters Wine Company got Whiny Baby onto shelves in 27 states in just a couple of years. Viral growth through TikTok: Whiny Baby’s success was boosted by early viral TikToks, helping Jess sell out her first batches of wine and reach a broad audience. Last Call: This week, we discuss brands that are cruising marketing. Join in as Scott, Caroline, and Erica talk about what they’re seeing in the marketplace, from La Crema’s inclusive activations to Fireball’s viral stunt to Firestone Walker’s mini-format beers.  Stay tuned for our next episode dropping on Jan. 22.  For the latest updates, follow us: Business of Drinks: LinkedIn Instagram @bizofdrinks Erica Duecy, co-host:Erica Duecy is founder and co-host of Business of Drinks and one of the drinks industry’s most accomplished digital and content strategists. She runs the consultancy and advisory arm of Business of Drinks and has built publishing and marketing programs for Drizly, VinePair, SevenFifty, and other hospitality and drinks tech companies. LinkedIn Instagram @ericaduecy Scott Rosenbaum, co-host:Scott Rosenbaum is co-host of Business of Drinks and a veteran strategist and analyst with deep experience building drinks portfolios. He currently serves as North America Search Manager at Distill Ventures. He was formerly the Vice President of T. Edward Wines & Spirits, a New York-based importer and distributor. LinkedIn Caroline Lamb, contributor:Caroline is a producer and on-air contributor at Business of Drinks and a key account sales and marketing specialist at AHD Vintners. LinkedIn If you enjoyed the conversation, follow Business of Drinks wherever you’re listening, and don’t forget to rate and review us. Your support helps us reach more listeners passionate about the drinks industry. Thank you!

    1h 9m
  2. JAN 8

    46: How Wine Importer Wilson Daniels Grew Revenue 6% to $250M In One of Wine’s Toughest Years – with President Rocco Lombardo - Business of Drinks

    In this episode of Business of Drinks, Erica interviews Rocco Lombardo, president of Wilson Daniels, a luxury wine importer and marketer. Despite formidable industry-wide headwinds, Wilson Daniels achieved over 6% revenue growth in 2024, expanding its sales to $250 million — while the broader wine market contracted.  How did Rocco and the Wilson Daniels team come out ahead?  In this episode, Rocco shares: Why Burgundy, Piemonte, Tuscany, and value sparkling wines are among the fastest-growing categories in the portfolio. Strategic initiatives that have fueled growth, building on the portfolio’s strong foundation of family-run wineries, sustainable practices, and deep market discipline. How Wilson Daniels grew from a West Coast-focused company to a national powerhouse with a $350+ average case price for its brands at wholesale. How Wilson Daniels uses storytelling and authenticity to engage consumers with the rich histories behind its luxury wines. Rocco’s insights into market challenges, including tariffs, shifting consumption trends, and competition from emerging categories like RTDs and cannabis. Last Call:And don’t miss Last Call, where Scott, Caroline, and Erica discuss what they're drinking this winter — and why. The category-spanning selections might surprise you! Don’t miss our next episode, dropping on January 15. For the latest updates, follow us: Business of Drinks: LinkedIn Instagram @bizofdrinks Erica Duecy, co-host:Erica Duecy is founder and co-host of Business of Drinks and one of the drinks industry’s most accomplished digital and content strategists. She runs the consultancy and advisory arm of Business of Drinks and has built publishing and marketing programs for Drizly, VinePair, SevenFifty, and other hospitality and drinks tech companies. LinkedIn Instagram @ericaduecy Scott Rosenbaum, co-host:Scott Rosenbaum is co-host of Business of Drinks and a veteran strategist and analyst with deep experience building drinks portfolios. He currently serves as North America Search Manager at Distill Ventures. He was formerly the Vice President of T. Edward Wines & Spirits, a New York-based importer and distributor. LinkedIn Caroline Lamb, contributor:Caroline is a producer and on-air contributor at Business of Drinks and a key account sales and marketing specialist at AHD Vintners. LinkedIn If you enjoyed the conversation, follow Business of Drinks wherever you’re listening, and don’t forget to rate and review us. Your support helps us reach more listeners passionate about the drinks industry. Thank you!

    45 min
  3. JAN 1

    45: 2025 Drinks Trends with Bryan Roth: What’s Next for the Industry - Business of Drinks

    As we head into 2025, we’re thrilled to bring you our annual drinks trends episode featuring Bryan Roth, director of insights for Sightlines and the consumer and market analyst for Feel Goods Company. Widely respected as one of the industry’s top forecasters, Bryan shares his perspectives on what’s shaping the future of beverages, from emerging categories to shifting consumer behaviors. In this episode, Bryan shares: Why the no- and low-alcohol segments are diverging and how each is evolving into distinct categories Insights into flavor trends, from bold Asian-inspired influences to the growing embrace of bitter and savory profiles Why young consumers demand both customization and immediacy in their drink choices How RTD beverages are becoming more sophisticated, catering to consumers’ desire for flavor clarity and premiumization The untapped potential for draft beverages — beyond beer — as the on-premise market continues to rebound Bryan’s insights highlight the key opportunities and challenges for drinks brands in 2025, offering actionable takeaways for founders, marketers, and innovators alike. To hear more of Bryan’s drinks trend updates, subscribe to the Sightlines newsletter. Enter the code "DRINKS" on the signup page (https://www.sightlines.news/sign-up) for a free month of access. Last Call:On this week’s Last Call, Scott quizzes Caroline and Erica on industry stats, such as: How many new bev alc producers were licensed by the TTB last year? How many new products came onto the market? Listen in for the answers you need to know!  Stay tuned for our next episode dropping on January 8.  For the latest updates, follow Business of Drinks LinkedIn Instagram Erica Duecy, co-host:Erica Duecy is founder and co-host of Business of Drinks and one of the drinks industry’s most accomplished digital and content strategists. She runs the consultancy and advisory arm of Business of Drinks and has built publishing and marketing programs for Drizly, VinePair, SevenFifty, and other hospitality and drinks tech companies. LinkedIn Instagram Scott Rosenbaum, co-host:Scott Rosenbaum is co-host of Business of Drinks and a veteran strategist and analyst with deep experience building drinks portfolios. He currently serves as North America Search Manager at Distill Ventures. He was formerly the Vice President of T. Edward Wines & Spirits, a New York-based importer and distributor. LinkedIn Caroline Lamb, contributor:Caroline is a producer and on-air contributor at Business of Drinks and a key account sales and marketing specialist at AHD Vintners. LinkedIn If you like what you heard, help us spread the word! Follow Business of Drinks wherever you’re listening, and rate and review our episodes. It really does help us find new listeners. Thank you!

    1h 10m
  4. 12/11/2024

    44: How Little Saints’ Megan Klein Built a $9 Million Non-Alcoholic Cocktail Brand - Business of Drinks

    This episode dives deep into the non-alcoholic cocktail space, featuring Megan Klein, founder of Little Saints. From its beginnings as an experimental product during the pandemic to its current $9 million annual revenue, Little Saints is a brand that’s forging new territory in the drinks space with its functional beverages featuring lion’s mane and reishi mushrooms. Whether you’re a founder in the drinks industry or simply a curious consumer, this episode is packed with insights you won’t want to miss. In this episode, Megan shares: Her journey from corporate lawyer to beverage entrepreneur and how her love for nature inspired Little Saints. How Little Saints uses adaptogens like reishi and lion’s mane mushrooms to offer unique effects, from relaxation to cognitive "magnetism." The challenges of pivoting Little Saints’ business model, including abandoning costly PR and marketing for direct-to-consumer advertising. A behind-the-scenes look at Megan’s appearance on Shark Tank, where she confidently walked away from undervalued offers. Why Little Saints' branding and consumer focus have shifted to attract a broader, gender-neutral audience. As Megan shares in the episode, Little Saints is more than a non-alcoholic beverage brand — it’s a movement toward mindful drinking and better living. Learn how she’s connecting with customers around the country, and forging a community of superfans who share her vision. And on Last Call, we discuss our “Cocktail Mt. Rushmore” — the top four cocktails each of us would happily subsist on if all other cocktails disappeared. Did the Manhattan, Espresso Martini, and Last Word ascend the peaks of cocktail greatness? Find out. Stay tuned for our next episode dropping on January 1.  For the latest updates, follow us: Business of Drinks LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/business-of-drinks/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bizofdrinks/ Erica Duecy, co-host: Erica Duecy is founder and co-host of Business of Drinks, and one of the drinks industry’s most accomplished digital and content strategists. She runs consultancy and advisory arm of Business of Drinks, and has built publishing and marketing programs for Drizly, VinePair, SevenFifty, and other hospitality and drinks tech companies. https://www.instagram.com/ericaduecy/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/erica-duecy-4a35844/ Scott Rosenbaum, co-host: Scott Rosenbaum is co-host of Business of Drinks, and a veteran strategist and analyst with deep experience building drinks portfolios. He currently serves as North America Search Manager at Distill Ventures. He was formerly the Vice President of T. Edward Wines & Spirits, a New York-based importer and distributor.  https://www.linkedin.com/in/scott-m-rosenbaum/ Caroline Lamb, contributor:  Caroline is a producer and on-air contributor at Business of Drinks and a key account sales and marketing specialist at AHD Vintners.  https://www.linkedin.com/in/caroline-bork-lamb/ If you like what you heard, help us spread the word! Follow Business of Drinks wherever you’re listening, and rate and review our episodes. It really does help us find new listeners. Thank you!

    59 min
  5. 11/27/2024

    43: How Stella Rosa Became the Top-Selling Import Wine Brand with CEO Steve Riboli - Business of Drinks

    It’s the episode you didn’t know you needed! We sit down with Steve Riboli, president and CEO of Riboli Family Wines, to unpack the incredible journey of Stella Rosa, the #1 import brand in the U.S. and a pioneer in flavored, semi-sparkling wines. Discover how this family-owned brand has become a powerhouse, scaling to 4.1 million cases in 2023, a 5% YOY gain, per Impact Databank, while the broader wine industry has faced declines. In this episode, Steve shares: How Stella Rosa’s low-ABV, flavor-forward wines are redefining the category and attracting new, younger drinkers. The story behind the bestselling Pineapple & Chili wine, which turned heads as 2023's #1 new wine SKU in America, per Nielsen. Insights into the multicultural and millennial appeal that has driven Stella Rosa’s sustained growth. The challenges of scaling a brand while staying true to its roots in tradition and innovation. Why retail activations and authentic storytelling are central to Stella Rosa’s success. With over 3,000 tasting activations annually(!!), a commitment to consumer connection, and a clear vision for the future, Stella Rosa is not just growing its market share — it’s growing the wine category itself. Whether you’re a wine aficionado or a founder in the drinks space, this episode is packed with inspiration and actionable insights. And on Last Call, we discuss the article “Does a Decline in Humanities Majors Have Anything to Do With the Declining Interest in Wine From Younger Consumers,” in David Driscoll’s Two-Nineteen blog. Don’t miss it!  Link: https://www.two-nineteen.com/blog/does-a-decline-in-humanities-majors-have-anything-to-do-with-the-declining-interest-in-wine-from-younger-generations Stay tuned for our next episode dropping on Dec. 11.  For the latest updates, follow us: Business of Drinks LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/business-of-drinks/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bizofdrinks/ Erica Duecy, co-host: Erica Duecy is founder and co-host of Business of Drinks, and one of the drinks industry’s most accomplished digital and content strategists. She runs the consultancy and advisory arm of Business of Drinks, and has built publishing and marketing programs for Drizly, VinePair, SevenFifty, and other hospitality and drinks tech companies. https://www.instagram.com/ericaduecy/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/erica-duecy-4a35844/ Scott Rosenbaum, co-host: Scott Rosenbaum is co-host of Business of Drinks, and a veteran strategist and analyst with deep experience building drinks portfolios. He currently serves as North America Search Manager at Distill Ventures. He was formerly the Vice President of T. Edward Wines & Spirits, a New York-based importer and distributor.  https://www.linkedin.com/in/scott-m-rosenbaum/ Caroline Lamb, contributor:  Caroline is a producer and on-air contributor at Business of Drinks and a key account sales and marketing specialist at AHD Vintners.  https://www.linkedin.com/in/caroline-bork-lamb/ If you like what you heard, help us spread the word! Follow Business of Drinks wherever you’re listening, and rate and review our episodes. It really does help us find new listeners. Thank you!

    1h 9m
  6. 11/13/2024

    42: How Mr Black Coffee Liqueur Fueled the Espresso Martini Craze with Founder Tom Baker - Business of Drinks

    In this episode, we talk with Tom Baker, co-founder of Mr Black, America’s best-selling premium coffee liqueur. Tom shares the serendipitous beginnings of his company, the divine intervention of the "coffee gods" that led him to his co-founder, and how Mr Black carved an unexpected niche in the spirits industry. We track the brand's rise from a small Australian startup to a multi-million dollar company, diving into the challenges Tom faced in the early days, launching a coffee liqueur as craft spirits and coffee culture were both emerging. We also explore how Mr Black differentiated itself from competitors like Kahlua with a product that truly tastes like coffee, and how the brand helped shape the Espresso Martini's renaissance. (The Espresso Martini is now the Top 4 best-selling cocktail in America, just two years after hitting the Top 10 list, per Nielsen data!) You’ll hear how Mr Black leveraged crowdfunding to gain early traction, the importance of building strong distributor relationships, and how the brand scaled globally. Tom also shares his insights on managing the operational complexities of growing a business, the role of Diageo’s acquisition, and why staying focused on a singular vision helped the brand achieve sustained success. And don’t miss Last Call, where our on-air team weighs in with the trends they’re seeing in their respective markets. We hear from Caroline in Detroit, Scott in the Washington D.C., and Erica in NYC. From the resurgence of aquavit and savory cocktails to a fresh crop of hybrid drinking spaces, find out what’s on our radar! LINKS:  The Four Disciplines of Execution by Chris McChesney, Sean Covey, Jim Huling Brand Mysticism by Steven Grasse and Aaron Goldfarb The Right It by Alberto Savoia Stay tuned for our next episode dropping on Nov. 27.  For the latest updates, follow us: Business of Drinks LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/business-of-drinks/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bizofdrinks/ Erica Duecy, co-host: Erica Duecy is founder and co-host of Business of Drinks, and one of the drinks industry’s most accomplished digital and content strategists. She runs consultancy and advisory arm of Business of Drinks, and has built publishing and marketing programs for Drizly, VinePair, SevenFifty, and other hospitality and drinks tech companies. https://www.instagram.com/ericaduecy/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/erica-duecy-4a35844/ Scott Rosenbaum, co-host: Scott Rosenbaum is co-host of Business of Drinks, and a veteran strategist and analyst with deep experience building drinks portfolios. He currently serves as North America Search Manager at Distill Ventures. He was formerly the Vice President of T. Edward Wines & Spirits, a New York-based importer and distributor.  https://www.linkedin.com/in/scott-m-rosenbaum/ Caroline Lamb, contributor:  Caroline is a producer and on-air contributor at Business of Drinks and a key account sales and marketing specialist at AHD Vintners.  https://www.linkedin.com/in/caroline-bork-lamb/ If you like what you heard, help us spread the word! Follow Business of Drinks wherever you’re listening, and rate and review our episodes. It really does help us find new listeners. Thank you!

    1h 10m
  7. 10/30/2024

    41: Building a Billion-Dollar Brand with Fawn Weaver of Uncle Nearest Premium Whiskey - Business of Drinks

    Today we’re diving into a topic that’s not just about sipping whiskey but about legacy, innovation, and breaking barriers in the beverage industry. We’re thrilled to welcome Fawn Weaver, founder and CEO of Uncle Nearest Premium Whiskey. Fawn Weaver is no ordinary founder. She’s a trailblazer who’s not only resurrecting the legacy of Nearest Green, the first known African-American master distiller, but she’s also shaking up the whiskey world in a big way. Under her leadership, Uncle Nearest has become a symbol of quality and inclusivity, earning accolades and a devoted fanbase. And it’s officially hit unicorn status with a valuation topping $1 billion.  Uncle Nearest is also the fastest-growing American whiskey brand in U.S. history, the best-selling Black American-founded spirit brand of all time, and the most award-winning Bourbon every year from 2019 to 2023. It has earned more than 1,200 awards and was named "World’s Best" two years in a row. This is a tale you need to hear to believe. Fawn's story is a masterclass in how vision, determination, and authentic storytelling can disrupt even a centuries-old industry like American whiskey.  We discuss: The No. 1 most important skill for a drinks brand founder to nail How Fawn navigated the roadblocks she faced as a Black woman founder in whiskey How Uncle Nearest raised $225 million in funding from private investors How to build a mission-driven brand – and the advantages of doing so Fawn’s iconoclastic approach to brand storytelling And much, much more! And don't miss Last Call, where Caroline (Gen Z), Scott (Millennial), and Erica (Gen X) discuss how they navigate ordering wine for a group. Stay tuned for our next episode dropping on Nov. 13.  For the latest updates, follow us: Business of Drinks LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/business-of-drinks/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bizofdrinks/ Erica Duecy, co-host: Erica Duecy is founder and co-host of Business of Drinks, and one of the drinks industry’s most accomplished digital and content strategists. She runs consultancy and advisory arm of Business of Drinks, and has built publishing and marketing programs for Drizly, VinePair, SevenFifty, and other hospitality and drinks tech companies. https://www.instagram.com/ericaduecy/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/erica-duecy-4a35844/ Scott Rosenbaum, co-host: Scott Rosenbaum is co-host of Business of Drinks, and a veteran strategist and analyst with deep experience building drinks portfolios. He currently serves as North America Search Manager at Distill Ventures. He was formerly the Vice President of T. Edward Wines & Spirits, a New York-based importer and distributor.  https://www.linkedin.com/in/scott-m-rosenbaum/ Caroline Lamb, contributor:  Caroline is a producer and on-air contributor at Business of Drinks and a key account sales and marketing specialist at AHD Vintners.  https://www.linkedin.com/in/caroline-bork-lamb/ If you like what you heard, help us spread the word! Follow Business of Drinks wherever you’re listening, and rate and review our episodes. It really does help us find new listeners. Thank you!

    1h 4m
  8. 10/16/2024

    40: New Innovations in No- and Low-Alcohol Wines With Surely and Arlow CEO Brandon Joldersma - Business of Drinks

    In this episode, we're joined by Brandon Joldersma, CEO of Surely and Arlow, two exciting players in the non-alcoholic and low-alcohol wine space. Brandon brings a wealth of experience from the beverage industry, having worked in restaurants, hard cider, and whiskey before taking the reins at Surely. We discuss Surely's origin story, its growth strategies, and its transition from direct-to-consumer to national retail on the path to racking up $20 million in sales over the past three years.  Then we dive into the recent launch of Arlow, a groundbreaking low-alcohol brand, offering wines at 6.5% ABV. Low-alcohol wines are an area of anticipated growth for the wine category in the coming years, with volumes predicted to grow at a CAGR of +14% between now and 2027, according to IWSR. Arlow is leveraging a first-mover advantage to build sales and brand recognition for its growing audience of affluent, health-conscious Millennial consumers. Some key takeaways: • The non-alcoholic and low-alcohol wine market is growing rapidly, driven by consumers seeking to moderate their alcohol consumption. • Creating a new category (like truly low-alcohol wine) can provide a first-mover advantage, but also requires significant consumer education. • Transitioning from direct-to-consumer (DTC) to retail distribution can significantly boost revenue, but requires careful planning and execution. • Product development in the non-alcoholic wine space is especially challenging, requiring innovative approaches to replicate the taste and experience of traditional wine. • Transparency in ingredient labeling and a focus on health and wellness can be key differentiators in the market. • The target demographic for non-alcoholic and low-alcohol wines tends to be affluent millennials who are health-conscious but still enjoy drinking occasionally. • Influencer marketing and in-person tastings ("liquid to lips") are crucial strategies for building brand awareness and trust. • Securing national retail accounts can provide substantial growth opportunities, but these partnerships take time and strategic pitching. • Also, one KEY MISTAKE not to make when launching a drinks brand. Stay tuned for our next episode dropping on Oct. 30. LINKS: On Last Call, we discuss: Is the bev-alc slump part of a cyclical slowdown? See what Time magazine had to say, way back in 1986! https://time.com/archive/6706878/blithe-spirits-for-the-sober-set/ And join the debate on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/erica-duecy-4a35844_ready-for-a-mind-blowing-moment-would-activity-7234563401622900737-hR8Y For the latest updates, follow us: Business of Drinks LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/business-of-drinks/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bizofdrinks/ Erica Duecy, co-host: Erica Duecy is founder and co-host of Business of Drinks, and one of the drinks industry’s most accomplished digital and content strategists. She runs consultancy and advisory arm of Business of Drinks, and has built publishing and marketing programs for Drizly, VinePair, SevenFifty, and other hospitality and drinks tech companies. https://www.instagram.com/ericaduecy/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/erica-duecy-4a35844/ Scott Rosenbaum, co-host: Scott Rosenbaum is co-host of Business of Drinks, and a veteran strategist and analyst with deep experience building drinks portfolios. He currently serves as North America Search Manager at Distill Ventures. He was formerly the Vice President of T. Edward Wines & Spirits, a New York-based importer and distributor.  https://www.linkedin.com/in/scott-m-rosenbaum/ Caroline Lamb, contributor:  Caroline is a producer and on-air contributor at Business of Drinks and a key account sales and marketing specialist at AHD Vintners.  https://www.linkedin.com/in/caroline-bork-lamb/ If you like what you heard, help us spread the word! Follow Business of Drinks wherever you’re listening, and rate and review our episodes.

    49 min

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Welcome to the Business of Drinks, a podcast dedicated to helping drinks businesses grow and thrive. Whether you’re in wine, beer, or spirits, or the non-alcoholic drink space, we've got you covered. On the show, co-hosts Erica Duecy and Scott Rosenbaum take a data-driven approach, analyzing the products and categories that get customers and consumers excited. We look at case studies and interview industry experts and visionary newcomers, and we have fun in trying to identify new business opportunities as they emerge in real time.

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