11 episodes

Welcome to Not Another Dog and Pony Show, where animal behaviour and training professionals Lauren Fraser, MSc, FFCP, and Matthias Lenz, KPA graduate, FDM, are on a mission to connect dog and horse trainers from diverse backgrounds, through open-minded, friendly discourse. We tackle our industry's 'dog and pony show' effect head-on, encouraging trainers and behaviour professionals to learn from one another and consider things from outside their usual ideological paradigms. We believe this unity is crucial for improving our industry and, ultimately, the welfare of animals.

Not Another Dog and Pony Show Not Another Dog And Pony Show

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Welcome to Not Another Dog and Pony Show, where animal behaviour and training professionals Lauren Fraser, MSc, FFCP, and Matthias Lenz, KPA graduate, FDM, are on a mission to connect dog and horse trainers from diverse backgrounds, through open-minded, friendly discourse. We tackle our industry's 'dog and pony show' effect head-on, encouraging trainers and behaviour professionals to learn from one another and consider things from outside their usual ideological paradigms. We believe this unity is crucial for improving our industry and, ultimately, the welfare of animals.

    Leadership: helpful or harmful construct for the animals we train?

    Leadership: helpful or harmful construct for the animals we train?

    Where Matthias and Lauren discuss the concept - and helpfulness - of leadership and deference in animal training.

    Also, they explore the complexities of balancing giving direction and allowing choice, debate whether our social relationships with animals allow for the human construct of leadership, and Matthias shares a story that explains why he wasn't awarded Father of the Year. Again.

    Needle phobias/injection shyness in horses

    The 'Buzzy' device for needle-phobic children

    The 'Shot Blocker''s effect on pain perception in adults

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    • 53 min
    Chad Mackin: (under-utilized) leash communication

    Chad Mackin: (under-utilized) leash communication

    Where Matthias sits down (sadly, without Lauren) with the philosophical Chad Mackin to talk about leash communication.



    Also, the importance of escape hatches when pushing close to thresholds, gentle communication pressure vs revenge pressure in training, and the power of letting learners think that their behaviour change is their idea and not something you imposed on them - whether dog, horse, or human.



    Chad's 'Rowing' technique for LLW:

    https://youtu.be/ncu_7jkPEBc?si=-lb_TYhcMGaPmK6a



    Chad's SHEARR method for LLW:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0woHgI-O9b0



    Chad's YouTube:

    https://www.youtube.com/@chadmackin/featured



    Chad on IG:

    @chadmackin



    Chad on Substack:
    https://open.substack.com/pub/chadmackin



    Chad on Patreon:
    https://www.patreon.com/BarkAbout

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    • 1 hr 5 min
    Monique Feyrecilde: knowing your (animal training) audience

    Monique Feyrecilde: knowing your (animal training) audience

    Where Lauren sits down (sadly, without Matthias) to talk with the cooperative care maven Monique Feyrecilde, about knowing your audience - whether dog, horse, or human client.



    Also, our moral obligation to not cause animals to be dangerous for others to handle in the future, the kind of truths that help people do better, and the importance of being a positive memory curator when working with animals.



    Monique's website:

    https://www.teachinganimals.com/



    Monique's YouTube:

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCh_FWbiDsBpF7d_i5ID4GoA



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    • 1 hr 10 min
    Suzanne Clothier: relationship- vs. quadrant-based assessment of training

    Suzanne Clothier: relationship- vs. quadrant-based assessment of training

    Where we sit down for a few metaphorical and metaphysical beers with the icon Suzanne Clothier, and talk about how we view - and qualify - our relationships and (training) interactions with animals.



    Also, transactional relationships vs social relationships, how animal training certifying bodies might assess trainers without a quadrant emphasis, and Suzanne and Lauren tell us how they really feel about training captive cetaceans with positive reinforcement.



    Suzanne Clothier's website:

    https://suzanneclothier.com/



    Mosquito in ASL:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4Gwz2AT79o



    Pros and cons of marine mammals in captivity:

    https://www.marinebio.org/creatures/marine-life-in-captivity-exploring-the-pros-and-cons/



    Violet, doing her tick impression:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Yqw_f26SvM



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    • 1 hr 13 min
    Animal-owning guilt, hedonic adaptation & bucking broncs

    Animal-owning guilt, hedonic adaptation & bucking broncs

    Where we lay Matthias down on the therapy couch and take a bit of a wild ride to talk about what he sees as the inherent selfishness of animal ownership.

    Also, we discuss rehoming animals, the mythical desert island of retired professional dog trainers, billionaire tourism, and who has a better life: the rodeo bucking horse or the show horse?

    Billionaire tourism podcast:

    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/billionaire-tourism/id493536367?i=1000650933725

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    • 54 min
    Management fails. Shit happens. Should we hide this on social media?

    Management fails. Shit happens. Should we hide this on social media?

    Where we talk about the animal training and behaviour video content we put out on social media: is showing our 'mistakes' or less-than-perfect training or behaviour sessions harmful or helpful? What can be lost or gained by sharing such posts?

    Also, we discuss 'before and after' training/behaviour videos, and Matthias' Jedi-like ways of staying open-minded while engaging with another trainer's content when he might disagree. Bonus: Matthias drops some S, D, and F-bombs, much to Lauren's delight. Finally.

    Matthias' 'fridge face': https://www.equinebehaviorist.ca/fridge-face

    Lauren engaging in what some might view as a training 'mistake' demonstration with her horse: https://youtu.be/cF2SGk9mZnc

    The Hidden Brain podcast on making mistakes: https://hiddenbrain.org/podcast/making-the-most-of-your-mistakes/

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    • 57 min

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