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Welcome to the Back Pain Podcast with Rob and Dave!

We are researching the facts about back pain and bringing them to you in easy to understand format.

We are two Chiropractors who spend every day looking after people with back pain. It has become our mission to talk to the best in the business to get the facts that you need to hear. We interview everyone from surgeons, GPs, Physios, Chiropractors, consultants and more so that we can get you the answers to your questions, as well as actionable tips you can take away from each episode to start feeling better/regain your health/get back to life...

The Back Pain Podcast Rob Beaven & Dave Elliott

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Welcome to the Back Pain Podcast with Rob and Dave!

We are researching the facts about back pain and bringing them to you in easy to understand format.

We are two Chiropractors who spend every day looking after people with back pain. It has become our mission to talk to the best in the business to get the facts that you need to hear. We interview everyone from surgeons, GPs, Physios, Chiropractors, consultants and more so that we can get you the answers to your questions, as well as actionable tips you can take away from each episode to start feeling better/regain your health/get back to life...

    Chronic Pain, CBT, Stoicism and Marcus Aurelius

    Chronic Pain, CBT, Stoicism and Marcus Aurelius

    Donald Robertson is a Cognitive Behavioural psychotherapist and author of ‘How to Think Like a Roman Emperor and ‘Stoicism and the Art of Happiness’

    He explains the origins of stoicism and its importance as a philosophy in the world today supporting emotional resilience.

    As a hugely experienced and knowledgeable CBT psychotherapist Donald also explores cognitive theory and the separation of the emotional response and the physical experience of pain for those who suffer from chronic pain. This is an all-absorbing and fascinating insight into both stoicism and CBT and that has something for everyone who wants to understand more about the ways to take a problem-solving approach to their chronic pain.

     

    KEY TAKEAWAYS
    Cognitive theory is all about the ways our values and beliefs shape our responses.
    if you can take greater responsibility and ownership for the things you can control then you will be more adaptive and healthier.
    The language used to describe emotions is very simplistic and this can prevent us from distinguishing between different elements of chronic pain.
    Thoughts and feelings are intertwined and when you are able to articulate your underlying beliefs and patterns of thinking you are able to begin to ask yourself is this actually true?
    When you recognise that feelings are thoughts something magical happens that means you can access a huge range of cognitive protocols.
    If you are focusing on and thinking about a particular pain it can seem amplified
    For those individuals who believe and are aligned with stoicism, it  can offer clients something that CBT or any other type of psychotherapy can’t ever offer them
    Stoicism can offer something far bigger and far more radical to the individual, a philosophy for life.
    CBT is diagnosis-specific whilst stoicism approaches things in a more a generic way.
    In psychology, there is a distinction made between emotional coping and practical problem solving coping.
    You can either deal with the external problem or how you are responding to it.
    If you have to live with pain then you may as well learn to live with it wisely.
    Separating the emotional response is key in being able to problem-solve to cope with pain.

     

    BEST MOMENTS

    ‘When talking to yourself about your pain being as objective and factual as possible is beneficial’

    ‘Stoicism is a philosophy but CBT is a therapy’

    ‘It’s amazing that this was thought about 2000 years ago and is being used now’

     

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    ABOUT THE HOSTS

    Dave Elliot

    Dave is the owner of Advanced Chiropractic, a chain of Chiropractic and massage therapy clinics in Essex, UK. Dave still sees patients during the week but has been working hard to talk to as many experts in the field of back pain as possible to help distil all the information and bring it to you in this awesome podcast. You can find Dave on any of the Advanced Chiropractic social media platforms, or you can contact him at hello@thebackpainpodcast.com if you have any questions for him.

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    Rob Beaven

    Rob owns and runs a multidisciplinary clinic, The Dyer St Clinic in Cirencester Gloucestershire. His team of Chiropractors, Physiotherapists, Osteopaths, Doctors and podiatrists all collaborate on thousands of back pain patients every year. Alongside Dave, he has worked hard to bring to the table experts across all ind

    • 1 hr 25 min
    Core Stability & Other Myths

    Core Stability & Other Myths

    Dave talks to Greg Lehman, Physiotherapist, Chiropractor and Strength and Conditioning Specialist about core stability and the movement that matters in this episode.

    They discuss what your core actually is and how you can optimise your exercise and movement patterns to maximise the outcomes that are the best for you

    Greg also shares great information about our, often hidden, 6 packs the different ways in which we exercise them and how everyone has a good core.

    This is a great chance to understand more about core stability, being human and movement that you enjoy.

     

    KEY TAKEAWAYS
    Your core usually defined as your torso and hips and has many muscles.
    Exercise has multiple effects and exercise for lower back pain can be helpful but does not have to be very specific exercise.
    Pain doesn’t always mean you should stop movement but you need to move in a way that is best for you.
    We should move faultlessly and fearlessly; you shouldn’t have to think you should be able to trust your body.
    Pain is not just mechanical its influenced by many other factors such as fear and worry
    There isn’t a relationship between someone’s posture and them having back pain
    There are joints in your body that enable you to move in different ways so its important that you do just that.
    You can set yourself ‘goal’ exercises that you want to work towards.
    Exercise is important especially as we age for bone density and loss of muscle mass
    For returns on time and energy chose exercise that you enjoy doing so you keep doing it.
    It’s more about being a human and movement that you enjoy doing.

     

    BEST MOMENTS

    ‘Do whatever makes you  feel better because moving in as many different ways as possible will give you more options’

    Most people have a 6 pack, you just can’t see it on everyone’

    ‘You should be able to move without thought’

     

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    ABOUT THE HOSTS

    Dave Elliot

    Dave is the owner of Advanced Chiropractic, a chain of Chiropractic and massage therapy clinics in Essex, UK. Dave still sees patients during the week but has been working hard to talk to as many experts in the field of back pain as possible to help distil all the information and bring it to you in this awesome podcast. You can find Dave on any of the Advanced Chiropractic social media platforms, or you can contact him at hello@thebackpainpodcast.com if you have any questions for him.

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    Rob Beaven

    Rob owns and runs a multidisciplinary clinic, The Dyer St Clinic in Cirencester Gloucestershire. His team of Chiropractors, Physiotherapists, Osteopaths, Doctors and podiatrists all collaborate on thousands of back pain patients every year. Alongside Dave, he has worked hard to bring to the table experts across all industries to give you the low down on back pain, with steps you can implement today to start feeling better.

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    • 42 min
    Do I Need an MRI for My Back Pain?

    Do I Need an MRI for My Back Pain?

    Dave and Rob are with physiotherapist Adam Dobson discussing scans and in particular how MRI scans can and are used in connection with back pain.

    Scans are important but only for a small number of patients with back pain and Adam explains in detail the pathway and context that may lead to a scan being done along with reasons why a detailed clinical diagnosis is so important in this episode packed with great information and content.

    Its ultimately about the right scan at the right time and this is a great opportunity to find out more.

     

    KEY TAKEAWAYS
    90% of back problems are not diagnosable on a scan and a scan will only be important for a small number of patients with back-related problems.
    Scans can be used to rule something out such as a fracture, cancer or an infection and may open up a change of treatment plan.
    If there is a good quality working diagnosis then imaging can create a potential additional step before treatment begins.
    Patients should know what a scan is likely to show, the implications of the findings and what it might change.
    Scans are highly detailed and show lots of things that may not be relevant and are common in lots of the population. These things are not predictors for pain or function in the future.
    Patients should be prepared and educated to help them understand imaging.
    If you’ve had a problem for less than 6 weeks, the nerves are working and there are no indicators for serious pathology there is a high chance your problem will resolve itself over time.
    It’s about the right scan for the right person at the right time
    The picture can change - If you are told you don’t need a scan it doesn’t mean you will never need one.
    If you have persistent and disabling pain there is something wrong but it can be about the factors involved and where best to focus effort with therapy and support powerful options.

     

    BEST MOMENTS

    ‘If it’s is unlikely to change the treatment plan and there is no evidence for serious pathology then there is a strong argument that imaging is not required’

    ‘An MRI scan can be used as a reassurance about what’s not there’

    ‘In collaborative working with the patient imaging is a malleable decision’

     

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    What is sciatica booklet https://www.southtees.nhs.uk/content/uploads/ST1112-Sciatica-Booklet.pdf

    Handy information guides on back pain, sciatica, Cauda Equina, posture and more.

    https://www.southtees.nhs.uk/services/back-pain-triage-and-treat/patient-information-educational-resources/

    Brinjikji W, Luetmer PH, Comstock B, et al. Systematic literature review of imaging features of spinal degeneration in asymptomatic populations. AJNR Am J Neuroradiol. 2015;36(4):811-816. doi:10.3174/ajnr.A4173

     

    Belavý, D. L., Quittner, M. J., Ridgers, N., Ling, Y., Connell, D., & Rantalainen, T. (2017). Running exercise strengthens the intervertebral disc. Scientific reports, 7, 45975. https://doi.org/10.1038/srep45975

     

    Nature or nurture in low back pain? Results of a systematic review of studies based on twin samples P.H. FerreiraP.Beckenkamp C.G. Maher  J.L. Hopper

     

    The 'Lived Experience' of patients having a Cervical or Lumbar MRI scan Armitage, Annabelle; Harland, NicholasPain and Rehabilitation - the Journal of Physiotherapy Pain Association, Volume 2020, Number 49, July 2020, pp. 57-62(6) Physiotherapy Pain Association

     

    Low back pain and sciatica in over 16s: assessment and management NICE guideline [NG59] Published date: 30 November 2016 Last updated: 22 September 2020

     

    NHS website back pain website https://www.southtees.nhs.uk/services/back-pain-triage-and-treat/

    National Low Back and Radicular Pain Pathway   https://www.boa.ac.uk/uploads/assets/e26cc007-74c3-4b22-94e408dd54ac79da/spinal%20p

    • 1 hr
    Is Back Pain Stress-Related?

    Is Back Pain Stress-Related?

    Rob and Dave come together to share great advice on a question that they are frequently asked ‘is back pain stress-related?’

    Currently, there are lots of reasons why people feel stressed and in this episode, Rob and Dave share a range of different things anyone can do to lower their levels of stress. If you are able to decrease your back pain you will be able to lower your stress and the first thing you can do is listen to the Back Pain Podcast, a great source of information, content and advice all of which will help you to understand, decrease and manage any back pain and in turn lower your levels of stress.

     

    KEY TAKEAWAYS
    Exercise is a great way to relieve stress and vital if you want to lower your stress levels.
    Try and remove yourself from the situation or environment that is making you feel stressed.
    Getting outside and experiencing the natural world is a great way to de-stress.
    Organise your thoughts to lower overwhelm, write down everything you need to do so that you can prioritise, delegate and outsource.
    Take a step back and take a constructive overview, this can help to get things in perspective.
    If you have a big task to complete break it down into smaller chunks.
    Relieve your levels of stress through breathing – take 10 deep breaths slowly to calm yourself down.
    Helping someone else is a good stress reliever and will also make you feel better.
    Set yourself a challenge that can translate into a daily goal.
    If you learn how to decrease your back pain then you will be decreasing your stress.

     

    BEST MOMENTS

    ‘Listen to the Back Pain Podcast and learn how to decrease your back pain and lower your stress’

    ‘There is a little bit of self-gain in undertaking some selfless activities’

    ‘Try and find activities at home that you enjoy’

     

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    ABOUT THE HOSTS

    Dave Elliot

    Dave is the owner of Advanced Chiropractic, a chain of Chiropractic and massage therapy clinics in Essex, UK. Dave still sees patients during the week but has been working hard to talk to as many experts in the field of back pain as possible to help distil all the information and bring it to you in this awesome podcast. You can find Dave on any of the Advanced Chiropractic social media platforms, or you can contact him at hello@thebackpainpodcast.com if you have any questions for him.

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    Rob Beaven

    Rob owns and runs a multidisciplinary clinic, The Dyer St Clinic in Cirencester Gloucestershire. His team of Chiropractors, Physiotherapists, Osteopaths, Doctors and podiatrists all collaborate on thousands of back pain patients every year. Alongside Dave, he has worked hard to bring to the table experts across all industries to give you the low down on back pain, with steps you can implement today to start feeling better.

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    • 18 min
    Discs Don’t Slip!

    Discs Don’t Slip!

    David Poulter is a physical therapist working out of Minnesota in the United States and shares great information about how dynamic our interbody joints, our discs, are effectively adapting to movement and load.

    He explains how discs are structured and work with the interbody joint getting its nutrition from loading and compression.

    With his extensive expertise and experience, David provides an in-depth and comprehensive explanation of both the construction and function of these interbody joints and shares why the truth is that discs don’t slip.

     

    KEY TAKEAWAYS
    The disc is the joint between 2 vertebrae. Where one vertebra joins another there are complicated structures.
    It’s the bulging of the material in the disc that causes people to think its slipping.
    The outer aspect of the disc conveys information about motion, position and space.
    In the centre of the disc, there are no nerves because it’s all about compression but there are pain structures on the outer layers of the disc structure.
    Injury can be caused by doing something too quickly or doing something for too long.
    Treatment should be based on the patient and their individual history.
    After an injury in rehab, you need to make sure you don’t back to something for too long, too strong or too quickly.
    Rehab should follow the process of unloading,  temporary rest then progressive loading to return people to where they were before.
    Sitting, standing, bending are all normal and taking yourself away from your normal is more likely to result in harm to your discs.
    Discs are developing and dynamic as we grow and if you do something long and often and the disc will adapt.

     

    BEST MOMENTS

    ‘Symptoms are a warning system to tell us to change what we are doing’

    ‘These are just joints and they need to be returned to graded function’

    ‘A disc gets its nutrition from movement and loading’

     

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    ABOUT THE HOSTS

    Dave Elliot

    Dave is the owner of Advanced Chiropractic, a chain of Chiropractic and massage therapy clinics in Essex, UK. Dave still sees patients during the week but has been working hard to talk to as many experts in the field of back pain as possible to help distil all the information and bring it to you in this awesome podcast. You can find Dave on any of the Advanced Chiropractic social media platforms, or you can contact him at hello@thebackpainpodcast.com if you have any questions for him.

    -Instagram

     

    Rob Beaven

    Rob owns and runs a multidisciplinary clinic, The Dyer St Clinic in Cirencester Gloucestershire. His team of Chiropractors, Physiotherapists, Osteopaths, Doctors and podiatrists all collaborate on thousands of back pain patients every year. Alongside Dave, he has worked hard to bring to the table experts across all industries to give you the low down on back pain, with steps you can implement today to start feeling better.

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    • 51 min
    Is YOUR Back Pain Serious?

    Is YOUR Back Pain Serious?

    In this episode, Rob and Dave talk to Laura Finucane and Sue Greenhalgh, consultant physiotherapists who are launching a video about when you should seek urgent help for your back pain.

    The majority of back pain is not serious but it’s important to know what to look for, the red flags so that anything more serious is not overlooked and this episode has detailed advice on how and what to do and is an essential listen for anyone suffering from back pain.

     

    KEY TAKEAWAYS
    Serious pathology for back pain is rare but it’s important to look for and identify early on
    The majority of back pain is not serious but it’s important to know what to look for so that anything more serious is not overlooked
    There are risk factors that will raise the concerns of professionals but its dependent on the context.
    If you experience back pain that is getting worse or you haven’t experienced before, pain that spreads from your back in a band around your body or odd feelings in your legs, feeling unsteady, pain that stops you sleeping or gets worse when you lie down then seek help immediately.
    Early identification for serious pathology makes the difference in recovery and quality of life.
    A change with the back pain progressing can mean it needs to be investigated.
    As a patient, it can be frustrating to answer lots of questions but the detailed questions are what help the clinician with the subtle signs that can be important in understanding what’s going on.
    Many people can present with worrying symptoms but it will turn out to be nothing to worry about.

     

    BEST MOMENTS

    ‘If we can increase awareness people will get to the right place in a timely manner’

    ‘Our job is to put context around the questions being asked and empower patients to speak out about what’s going on for them’

    ‘The vast majority of back pain is nothing to worry about’

     

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    Link to MACP video Discussed

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    Cauda Equina Flash Cards

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    Illustrated and Edited by Laura Bassi from Fisio Camera: 

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    ABOUT THE HOSTS

    Dave Elliot

    Dave is the owner of Advanced Chiropractic, a chain of Chiropractic and massage therapy clinics in Essex, UK. Dave still sees patients during the week but has been working hard to talk to as many experts in the field of back pain as possible to help distil all the information and bring it to you in this awesome podcast. You can find Dave on any of the Advanced Chiropractic social media platforms, or you can contact him at hello@thebackpainpodcast.com if you have any questions for him.

    -Instagram

     

    Rob Beaven

    Rob owns and runs a multidisciplinary clinic, The Dyer St Clinic in Cirencester Gloucestershire. His team of Chiropractors, Physiotherapists, Osteopaths, Doctors and podiatrists all collaborate on thousands of back pain patients every year. Alongside Dave, he has worked hard to bring to the table experts across all industries to give you the low down on back pain, with steps you can implement today to start feeling better.

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    • 46 min

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Fantastic Podcast!!!

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Really wonderful presentation of information surrounding back pain. Helpful no matter what level your current understanding is.

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