The Out of the Cave Podcast

Lisa Schlosberg
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The Out of the Cave Podcast is a resource hosted by Lisa Schlosberg, LMSW, for all who struggle with emotional eating, stress eating, under-eating, overeating, mindless eating, and have a complicated relationship to food, eating, and body image.

  1. MAR 31

    Intentional Weight Loss After an Eating Disorder? Let’s Discuss… with Lara Days

    In this episode, Lisa and Lara Days discuss the controversial topic of pursuing intentional weight loss during eating disorder recovery. They explore different perspectives, emphasizing the importance of first achieving a stable relationship with food before considering weight loss.  Topics Include: Eating Disorders and Recovery Intentional Weight Loss Fat Phobia [0:06] Lisa begins this episode by announcing the last day of the early bird special for ⁠her May group coaching program⁠ and a ⁠free seven-day mirror work challenge⁠ starting March 31, 2025. She also mentions her upcoming Omega Retreat, ⁠Reclaiming Peace With Food⁠, on September 7-12, 2025 for deeper in-person healing work.  [6:43] Lara introduces herself as an intuitive eating counselor, sound healer, yoga instructor, and musician, currently residing in Dallas, TX. Her work is rooted in her core belief that all humans have the right to experience a joyful relationship with food, movement, body, and self. [8:00] Lisa and Lara discuss the nuances of eating disorder recovery and intentional weight loss. They emphasize the importance of defining recovery and ensuring a stable relationship with food before considering weight loss. Both agree on prioritizing mental and emotional healing over focusing solely on weight loss. [21:53] Lisa discusses a three-level approach to weight loss, focusing on mental and emotional well-being before addressing physical changes. She emphasizes the importance of self-compassion and healthy habits, noting that weight loss can occur naturally when health is prioritized. [33:00] Lisa and Lara discuss the societal obsession with aesthetics and the need for a distinction between weight loss for health versus aesthetics. They talk about the importance of addressing quality of life issues, such as pain and mobility, over superficial weight goals. Lisa shares her personal experience with weight loss and the stigma around wanting to lose weight. She stresses the importance of creating a space where people can pursue weight loss for comfort and health without feeling judged or shamed. [46:00] Lara and Lisa discuss the nuances of fat phobia and weight loss, emphasizing that wanting to feel better physically does not equate to fat phobia. They highlight the need for more nuanced conversations around body image and health.  [53:56] Lara talks about intuitive eating and the importance of understanding body cues. They explore that discomfort often arises from unfamiliarity with one’s body and stress the need to explore the reasons behind this discomfort, such as lifestyle changes or physical limitations. [1:03:57] Lisa and Lara discuss the ineffectiveness of one-size-fits-all approaches in health and wellness. They criticize the concept of ‘one size fits all’ in clothing and diet plans, emphasizing the need for personalized approaches. [1:06:37] The conversation touches on cancel culture, with Lisa expressing a desire to cancel it. They discuss the nuances of cancel culture, acknowledging that while it can be justified in some cases, it often lacks understanding and context. Lisa and Lara debate the impact of ‘What I Eat in a Day’ videos. While acknowledging potential harm, they argue for a more nuanced view, suggesting that these videos can be informative if presented with the right intentions and context. [1:16:57] Lisa and Lara wrap up the discussion with where she can be found on Instagram. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. ⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠ ⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠ Email Lisa: ⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠ ⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials ⁠Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠ Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025  May OOTC Group Coaching Program - Early Bird Special $500 off by 11:59 PM EST on March 31, 2025

    1h 19m

  2. MAR 17

    I’m Uncomfortable But Not Unsafe with Jaime

    In this episode, Lisa is joined by Jaime where they explore Jaime’s journey through bullying, emotional eating and alcohol use, and physical pain to her recovery and transformation through the OOTC group coaching and self-acceptance.  Topics Include: Emotional Eating and Drinking Emotional Sobriety Importance of Community Support [0:06] Lisa begins this episode by announcing the opening of her group coaching program with an early bird discount and a free seven-day mirror work challenge starting March 31, 2025. She also mentions her upcoming Omega Retreat, Reclaiming Peace With Food, on September 7-12, 2025 for deeper in-person healing work.  [6:45] Jaime introduces herself as a lifelong learner, a teacher, an artist, a writer, a creator, and a healer who always wants to learn and better herself then goes out into the world to teach and heal others.  [8:38] Jamie shares her journey of healing from a toxic relationship with food and body image, influenced by her family’s diet culture. She recalls a significant childhood memory of being shamed for her appearance, which impacted her self-worth and eating habits. Lisa emphasizes the importance of not making negative comments about food and body to children and suggests resources for parents to support intuitive eating in their kids. [13:00] Jaime discusses her struggles with emotional eating and alcohol as coping mechanisms during middle and high school, leading to social anxiety and isolation. Jaime acknowledges awareness of problematic drinking habits from a young age, using alcohol to cope with social anxiety and build confidence. [23:07] Lisa shares a similar experience with early alcohol use, seeing it as a social activity without awareness of its coping function. Jaime reflects on her self-worth being tied to body image, influenced by bullying and societal pressures during adolescence. Lisa highlights the issue of self-worth being linked to physical appearance, leading to a lifelong cycle of weight loss and gain. [34:58] Jaime discusses her journey with weight loss and health issues, including sleep apnea and back pain. Despite some improvements, she struggled with back pain, leading her to explore mind-body approaches at Omega retreats. She resonated with the teachings of Nicole Sachs and Lisa, which led to a deeper exploration of journaling and self-discovery.  [43:26] Jaime eventually joined Lisa's program to further her personal growth and connect with others. Jaime discusses overcoming chronic pain and the importance of addressing body image and food relationships as part of her healing journey. She emphasizes the value of community support in her recovery process. [50:12] Jaime shares her experience in the OOTC group program, noting the benefits of community support and the opportunity to observe personal growth over time. Jaime highlights the importance of learning in a community setting and stepping out of her comfort zone. [1:01:00] Jaime shares a recent epiphany about her fear of weight loss, linked to receiving comments and judgments from others. She realized that avoiding weight loss was a way to control these interactions. Lisa emphasizes the role of control in weight loss fears, noting that emotional resistance can stem from past experiences and relationships, such as parental expectations. [1:06:59] Jaime discusses the importance of balance and emotional sobriety, choosing not to use food to cope with emotions. Lisa and Jaime wrap up the discussion by talking about focusing on feeling good and healthy rather than achieving a specific weight goal. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. ⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠ ⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠ Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠ ⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials ⁠Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠

    1h 21m

  3. MAR 3

    Whole As I Am with Jenny

    In this episode, Lisa is joined by Jenny where they explore Jenny’s journey through challenging family dynamics, emotional trauma, and eating disorders, highlighting her transformation and healing through the OOTC group coaching and self-compassion.  Topics Include: Family Trauma Eating Disorder Healing Self-Compassion and Acceptance [2:06] Lisa introduces Jenny, a recent graduate of the Out of the Cave program, highlighting her as a success story. Jenny describes herself as being 44 years old, living in Rochester, NY with her two cats, and working in education.   [5:30] Jenny tells Lisa about her childhood, growing up in a household with contrasting parental influences, addiction, and emotional volatility. Jenny explains how family dynamics, including her father’s drinking and strict meal expectations, affected her relationship with food. Lisa discusses the importance of creating a safe and pleasant mealtime environment, referencing the division of responsibility in feeding. [18:00] Jenny discusses binge eating as a coping mechanism for emotional turmoil and financial instability, starting at age 11. Jenny shares experiences of body shaming and emotional abuse from her father, which contributed to her negative body image and emotional distress.  [23:41] Jenny describes her parents’ struggle with alcohol addiction and the impact of her separation on her emotional well-being. Jenny reveals being sexually abused and subsequently bullied, which intensified her feelings of isolation and led to therapy. [31:09] Lisa and Jenny discuss the duality of wanting to be both thinner and bigger for safety and acceptance, highlighting the complexity of body image issues. Jenny discusses a long-term struggle with body image, feeling disconnected from her body, and the belief that being in a smaller body would make her lovable.  [40:46] Jenny shares experiences with punishing exercise routines and restrictive diets, believing these would lead to being loved and accepted. [42:19] Jenny recounts how the COVID-19 pandemic triggered a return to binge eating due to stress and food scarcity fears. Jenny found inspiration and support through social media, leading to a connection with Lisa who provided a new perspective on food and eating.  [58:50] Jenny discusses her struggle with food and body image, realizing it’s about her relationship with herself and safety. She experienced a shift in understanding her inherent worth and self-compassion. Jenny shares her experience in the OOTC group coaching program, highlighting significant personal growth and shifts in perspective, particularly around self-worth and emotional safety. [1:05:00] Jenny describes learning to binge mindfully, which led to a realization about self-erasure and a subsequent reduction in binging behavior. Jenny talks about gaining the ability to process emotions and make choices, which has been transformative in dealing with life’s challenges. [1:18:36] Lisa and Jenny end by discussing her personal growth and healing journey, emphasizing the positive impact of the OOTC group coaching program, which helped her with issues related to food and binge eating. Jenny highlights the importance of group support in her healing process, noting the value of being part of a cohort that provides encouragement and shared experiences. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. ⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠ ⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠ Email Lisa: ⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠ ⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials ⁠Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠ Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025  May OOTC Group Coaching Program - Early Bird Special $500 off before the end of March 2025

    1h 22m

  4. FEB 17

    Pilates: Empowerment Through Movement with Lesley Logan

    In this episode, Lisa is joined by Lesley Logan, a pilates instructor, to discuss the transformative impact of pilates on body image, functional fitness, and the mind-body connection. It emphasizes the importance of self-awareness, inclusivity, and the role of pilates in healing trauma and promoting empowerment.  Topics Include: Mind-Body Connection Self-Awareness Functional Fitness Healing Trauma through Movement [2:06] Lisa starts this episode by asking Lesley to introduce herself. Lesley shares her first experience with pilates and how she fell in love with it after one class and thought everyone should try it. She discusses how she became an instructor and eventually quit her retail job to teach full-time.    [5:30] Lesley discusses her early experiences with body image, influenced by societal standards and family dieting culture. She highlights the struggle of seeing the body as an ornament and the journey to viewing it as an instrument. Lisa and Lesley discuss the importance of functional fitness for aging well, emphasizing the need for strength and mobility to perform everyday tasks and travel comfortably. [18:00] Lesley discusses personal experiences with body image issues, health challenges, and the pressure of maintaining a certain appearance in the fitness industry. She emphasizes the importance of focusing on health metrics like vitamin levels rather than weight. Lesley explains how pilates can serve as a moving meditation, helping individuals connect with their bodies and improve mental focus.  [28:05] Lisa relates pilates to healing trauma and overcoming dissociation by strengthening the mind-body connection. Lisa emphasizes the importance of feeling safe in one’s body and how mindful movement can aid in trauma recovery. Lesley shares experiences of bringing diverse groups together through pilates, fostering a sense of community and shared experience, even among people who might not typically interact. [34:53] Lesley provides guidance for beginners in pilates, suggesting they look for comprehensively trained instructors and be mindful of class types and equipment. Lesley suggests practicing pilates 3-4 times a week, emphasizing that sessions can be as short as 15 minutes.  [45:49] Lisa and Lesley discuss how the primary intention of pilates is to achieve a balance of strength and flexibility, focusing on posture and muscular strength. Lesley explains that it is designed to be a low-impact exercise that is accessible to many people. Lisa and Lesley discuss how pilates helps individuals become the authority on their own bodies, promoting a sense of safety and embodiment. Lesley also discusses how pilates encourages self-care and empowers individuals to take control of their health.  [57:58] Lisa and Lesley conclude this episode by encouraging curiosity and self-kindness in one’s pilates practice, highlighting that self-care is essential for overall well-being. They also discuss how listeners can find Lesley online: Website | Free 4-Week Challenge | Instagram | Facebook *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. ⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠ ⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠ Email Lisa: ⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠ ⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials ⁠Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠ Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025

    1 hr

  5. FEB 10

    Breaking Free from Food & Body Image Struggles with Rachel - Part 2

    In part two of this two part episode, Lisa and Rachel continue to look into Rachel’s experiences with eating disorders, chronic pain, and the journey of recovery through therapy and spiritual growth.  Topics Include: Eating Disorders Reparenting Spiritual Growth Self-Discovery [2:05] As Lisa and Rachel continue their previous conversation, Rachel shares her experience with an eating disorder, describing the physical and emotional toll it took, her family’s reaction, and the turning point that led her to seek recovery.  [17:31] Rachel reflects on the impact of her eating disorder on social relationships, noting isolation and fear of social situations due to food-related anxiety. Rachel and Lisa discuss the ongoing struggle and the complexity of recovery, and the importance of social health in recovery. [22:53] Rachel discusses her chronic hip pain, initially thought to be physical, but later understood as linked to unprocessed emotions. Rachel discusses with Lisa that a physiotherapist suggested the pain was protective, leading to her realization that emotions were manifesting physically. [26:00] Rachel describes her journey of self-discovery through therapy and podcasts, finding solace in stories similar to her own. Rachel and Lisa emphasize the importance of understanding the emotional roots of her pain and the transformative impact of this realization. [29:38] Rachel shares her transformative experience in the OOTC group program, highlighting the life-changing insights gained about food, body image, and self-reliance. Lisa and Rachel discuss the concept of reparenting oneself and the empowerment it brings. [43:32] Rachel shares her journey of moving from living in her head to being more connected with her body, highlighting the challenges and importance of this shift. Rachel describes how the course has been life-changing, helping them to stop obsessing over food and become more spiritually aware, despite initial skepticism. [51:35] Lisa and Rachel conclude this episode with a discussion of the transformative power of the course, with Rachel acknowledging a newfound acceptance of spiritual concepts and no longer constantly thinking about food. Rachel strongly recommends the course, suggesting it should be a mandatory experience due to its profound impact on personal development. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. ⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠ ⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠ Email Lisa: ⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠ ⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials ⁠Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠ Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025

    1h 2m

  6. FEB 3

    Breaking Free from Food & Body Image Struggles with Rachel - Part 1

    In part one of this two part episode, Lisa is joined by group coaching graduate, Rachel, a journalist from Australia. Together they explore the profound impact of her childhood experiences, societal pressures, and family dynamics on her body image and eating disorder.  Topics Include: Societal Pressure Body Image  Eating Disorders [2:57] Lisa asks Rachel to introduce herself. Rachel introduces herself as a journalist living in Melbourne, Australia, originally from New Zealand, Rachel introduces herself as a journalist living in Melbourne, Australia, originally from New Zealand, who recently moved. [4:23] Rachel discusses with Lisa how she remembers her mother would not join family meals due to lifelong dieting, which influenced her perception of food and family dynamics. Rachel shares how she would eat anything to please adults, associating adult foods with maturity and acceptance. [13:47] Rachel describes becoming aware of other people’s body image issues around age 11, influenced by societal and familial attitudes towards weight and dieting. As well as learning about dieting from peers and their families, marking a shift in her awareness of body image and food. Rachel discusses how her sister’s weight loss journey and her mother’s support highlighted the importance of weight control in her family. [22:22] Rachel shares with Lisa experiences with a surrogate grandmother who was very vocal about body shaming, which influenced their awareness of body image and judgment from a young age. Rachel describes using intelligence and academic success as a coping mechanism to avoid judgment and rejection in high school. Lisa and Rachel discuss how they both avoided engaging with body image issues in high school, using denial and focusing on academics as a way to cope with potential judgment.  [40:07] Rachel shares the impact of her parents’ divorce announcement at age 15, the move to Australia, and the feeling of needing to be the adult in the situation. Rachel talks about her strong attachment to her mother, feeling safe only when she was present, and the impact of her absence after moving to Australia. She recounts the abusive behavior of her stepfather, the pressure to please him, and the impact on the family dynamics. [1:00:52] Rachel explains to Lisa how the need to please her stepfather and control her environment led to the development of an eating disorder. Rachel discusses the pressure to maintain weight loss after being noticed by others, leading to a cycle of excessive exercise and restricted eating as a form of control and security. [1:06:39] Lisa and Rachel end part one of this episode by sharing personal experiences of how eating disorders provided a sense of control amidst chaos, comparing it to addiction, and the disconnect from physical sensations like hunger. They highlight the common misconception that people with eating disorders are aware of their physical state, explaining the mental disassociation from their bodies. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. ⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠ ⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠ Email Lisa: ⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠ ⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials ⁠Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠ Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025

    1h 11m

  7. JAN 20

    Reclaiming My Body and My Plate with Laura

    In this episode, Lisa welcomes Laura to share her inspiring journey of healing her relationship with food and body image. Together, they delve into Laura’s transformative path toward mindful eating and reconnecting with her body.  Topics Include: Body Image Food Rules Emotional Healing [1:24] Lisa introduces Laura, a graduate of the Out of the Cave program, who is excited to share her journey. Laura introduces herself, mentioning her work as a virtual academic advisor and her love for podcasts, movies, and live music. [9:31] Laura shares with Lisa the strict food rules from ages six to ten, influenced by her mother’s emphasis on health, such as having half the plate filled with vegetables and limited dessert portions. Laura discusses how she felt the rules around food were just another set of rules to follow in an already unstable childhood environment, leading to a sense of rebellion and desire for control. [15:05] Lisa and Laura discuss how gaining independence around age 14-15 allowed her to make her own food choices, which felt liberating and rebellious against the food restrictions. Laura reflects on her weight gain in high school, which was noticed and commented on by her mother, leading to a need to hide eating habits. [25:40] Laura discusses that she aware of her weight gain and had mixed feelings about it, balancing a ‘fuck it’ attitude with a desire for social acceptance and attention. Laura discusses her tumultuous college experience, including transferring schools, dealing with depression, and using food as a coping mechanism.  [42:30] Laura describes how food became a source of control and comfort during uncertain times, such as college and the pandemic. Lisa and Laura discuss the emotional relationship with food and how it was intertwined with her life experiences. They talk about the transition to adulthood, focusing on the lack of guidance in managing responsibilities like food and money. They reflect on the challenges of becoming self-sufficient. [51:07] Laura talks about her emotional state during various life stages, including college, early adulthood, and the pandemic. Lisa and Laura discuss how her mental health was affected by life not going as planned. Laura discusses experiencing anxiety during a heavy conversation before a retreat, leading to an emotional breakthrough allowing her to verbalize long-held feelings about her body and food. Laura joins Lisa’s group coaching program that helps her understand the science behind her behaviors and emotions.  [57:41] Through the OOTC program, Laura learns about the concept of emotional safety, realizing how her brain perceives safety and how it affects her choices around food and movement. Lisa and Laura discuss how the program helped her find a balance between emotional exploration and scientific understanding, leading to personal growth. Laura describes a shift in her relationship with food and movement, moving from fear to empowerment. She shares a significant moment of walking a boardwalk, realizing her capability and safety. [1:07:39] Laura discusses learning to regulate eating habits, understanding hunger cues, and making healthier food choices without strict dieting. Lisa emphasizes the importance of mindful eating, allowing full permission to choose foods without restriction, and making intentional choices. Lisa acknowledges Laura's weight loss as a byproduct of mindful eating and body connection, without focusing on scales or tracking. [1:21:00] As the episode closes, Laura reflects on personal growth, clarity, and understanding of being human, with a focus on slowing down and being present. She also expresses her gratitude to Lisa for all the program has done for her. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. ⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠ ⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠ Email Lisa: ⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠ ⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials ⁠Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠ Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025

    1h 22m

  8. JAN 6

    Is There a Middle Ground? Using IFS to Navigate & Heal Polarizations Around Food with Manya Ronay

    Lisa is joined by Manya Ronay, a Level 3 Internal Family Systems (IFS) practitioner, Certified Health Education Specialist (CHES®), and Food Addiction Recovery Advocate (FARA) living in Israel. She works at the intersection of physical health and emotional health, specializing in IFS for eating and mind-body healing. The interview explores the impact of ultra-processed foods on health, the complexities of food addiction versus intuitive eating, and critiques mainstream eating disorder treatments. It emphasizes holistic approaches, including IFS, for healing and empowerment. Topics Include: Diet Culture Anti-Diet Culture Food Addictions Eating Disorders IFS [0:36] Lisa describes how she connected with Manya through Instagram, feeling a rare connection with someone like-minded. Manya shares that living in Israel during a war affects her nervous system, causing a shutdown stage, but she feels happy to be part of the podcast. She discusses her journey from conventional medicine to holistic practices after being diagnosed with POTS, leading her to explore food and lifestyle changes. [4:29] Manya explains the concept of ultra-processed foods using the NOVA classification, highlighting their hyper-palatable nature and health impacts. Manya describes her transition to using IFS in her practice, finding it a perfect model for understanding internal and external dynamics in nutrition. [10:11] Manya discusses how changing her diet helped alleviate severe gastrointestinal symptoms and was a step towards overall healing, including acupuncture and mind-body healing. Manya explains the negative health impacts of ultra-processed foods, linking them to chronic diseases and shorter lifespans, and highlights the high percentage of such foods in typical diets. Manya references Dr. Chris Palmer’s work linking ultra-processed foods to mental health issues by affecting mitochondria and energy production in cells. [16:59] Manya shares insights from working with a food addiction recovery group, noting that ultra-processed foods can be addictive, similar to substances like alcohol. Lisa examines intuitive eating, suggesting it works for those affected by diet culture but not for those using food to cope with trauma, as it doesn’t address underlying emotional issues. [33:01] Lisa discusses mainstream eating disorder treatment for being dismissive and leading to high relapse rates. Manya agrees, noting that both eating disorder and food addiction treatments often involve ignoring or fighting internal voices, which can be harmful. Lisa explains the challenges of balancing intuitive eating with health priorities, highlighting a client’s struggle with internal polarization between eating freely and prioritizing health. [34:29] Lisa and Manya discuss using IFS to address eating issues by acknowledging and listening to different internal voices, promoting a holistic and non-judgmental approach to healing. Manya emphasizes the importance of empowerment and choice in healing, suggesting that feeling in control and having options can contribute significantly to recovery. [40:52] Manya shares the IFS eating triangle and how it can go in multiple directions, and the bi-directional arrows represent different experiences of individuals. The roles of firefighters and managers in IFS are not always clear-cut. Eating can be a manager role if it is preemptive, showing the model’s imperfections. Intuitive eating and food addiction can be mapped on the same triangle, with intuitive eating going counterclockwise and food addiction clockwise. [1:06:00] Manya draws parallels between mind-body practices and intuitive eating, highlighting how both can ignore the biological effects of food. They emphasize the importance of understanding how food affects the body beyond just emotional or psychological aspects. [1:07:39] Lisa reflects on the pendulum swing between diet culture and anti-diet culture, advocating for a balanced approach that considers both intuitive eating and nutritional health. Manya emphasizes that healing and taking care of one’s body is a lifelong journey, not a quick fix. They discuss the importance of continuously attending to one’s health and well-being. Learn more about Manya and connect at: Website |  Instagram |  Facebook |  LinkedIn | IFS triangles mentioned in episode  *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. ⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠ ⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠ Email Lisa: ⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠ ⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials ⁠Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠ Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025

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    The Out of the Cave Podcast is a resource hosted by Lisa Schlosberg, LMSW, for all who struggle with emotional eating, stress eating, under-eating, overeating, mindless eating, and have a complicated relationship to food, eating, and body image.

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    • Creator
      Lisa Schlosberg
    • Years Active
      2021 - 2025
    • Episodes
      135
    • Rating
      Explicit
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      © Lisa Schlosberg
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      The Out of the Cave Podcast

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