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16 JAN

When Reality Drifts

Nick Gerace, Engineering Manager at System Initiative, joins Kris and Matt to explore what infrastructure management looks like beyond Terraform. Nick walks us through how System Initiative differs from traditional IaC, why git isn't really your source of truth, and how the company pivoted to AI-first tooling. The conversation turns to Claude Code and MCP tools before landing on a nuanced discussion about distributed systems, and how the messy, eventual consistency of real life mirrors the systems we build. As always, we've got supporter content! This week that includes deep dives into System Initiative's architecture evolution from Postgres to a custom graph database, Nick's passionate defense of domain-driven design in Rust monorepos ("if I see a util directory, I go a little nuts"), why AI won't replace musicians (or you), and a spicy take on AI, capitalism, and power structures. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. This week's episode of Break continues the conversation. Nick sticks around as the hosts compare audio engineering backgrounds, discuss the IC to manager journey, and take a hard turn into hardware—dual 3090 TIs with NVLink, the case for water cooling, Kris's absurd home lab, and everyone's temptation toward Framework Desktops and Mac Studios. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/24. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents: Prologue (00:00:00)Chapter 1: Meet Nick Gerace (00:01:21)Chapter 2: The Power of Networking (00:05:38)Chapter 3: What is System Initiative? (00:14:54)Chapter 4: Terraform vs System Initiative (00:19:58)Chapter 5: Git Isn't Your Source of Truth (00:25:47)Chapter 6: SI Architecture: From Postgres to Graph [Extended] (00:34:47)Chapter 7: Rust Monorepos & Domain-Driven Design [Extended] (00:35:10)Chapter 10: AI Won't Replace Musicians (or You) [Extended] (00:35:34)Chapter 12: AI, Capitalism & Power Structures [Extended] (00:36:03)Chapter 8: The AI Pivot at System Initiative (00:37:14)Chapter 9: Claude Code & MCP Tools (00:47:30)Chapter 11: Distributed Systems Are Just Real Life (00:54:13)Chapter 13: Data Centers, Water & Nuance (01:00:20)Epilogue (01:08:11) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Matthew Sanabria - Host Nick Gerace - Guest Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (00:00) - Prologue (01:21) - Chapter 1: Meet Nick Gerace (05:38) - Chapter 2: The Power of Networking (14:54) - Chapter 3: What is System Initiative? (19:58) - Chapter 4: Terraform vs System Initiative (25:47) - Chapter 5: Git Isn't Your Source of Truth (34:47) - Chapter 6: SI Architecture: From Postgres to Graph [Extended] (35:10) - Chapter 7: Rust Monorepos & Domain-Driven Design [Extended] (35:34) - Chapter 10: AI Won't Replace Musicians (or You) [Extended] (36:03) - Chapter 12: AI, Capitalism & Power Structures [Extended] (37:14) - Chapter 8: The AI Pivot at System Initiative (47:30) - Chapter 9: Claude Code & MCP Tools (54:13) - Chapter 11: Distributed Systems Are Just Real Life (01:00:20) - Chapter 13: Data Centers, Water & Nuance (01:08:11) - Epilogue

16 Jan

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1h 10m
10 JAN

New Year, New Nuance

New Year, New Nuance! In this episode, Kris and Matt discuss what they're looking forward to in 2026—Matt shares the exciting news that he's becoming a dad, and the duo explore the value of growth, changing your opinions, and adding more nuance to how you see the world. They talk about what they're excited to build this year, from physical projects like woodworking and doors to the podcast platform they keep talking about. Kris shares how a conversation with Claude finally made electricity click, leading to a broader discussion about LLMs as "digital librarians" and what education should really be about: teaching you how to teach yourself. As always, we've got supporter content! This week that includes deep dives into local AI infrastructure, home networking with 10G and WireGuard, and a spicy rant about why centralized package management is fundamentally broken. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. This week's episode of break continues the conversation. Where the two reflect on AI doomerism's mental health toll, why things aren't worse than before, the logistics behind society's real problems, and turning waste into opportunity with BASF's Verbund principle. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/23. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents: Prologue (00:00:00)Chapter 1: Matt's Becoming a Dad (00:03:06)Chapter 2: Growth & Changing Your Opinions (00:06:39)Chapter 3: Adding More Nuance in 2026 (00:15:44)Chapter 4: What We're Excited to Build (00:24:57)Chapter 5: Learning How Things Work: Electricity (00:30:21)Chapter 6: LLMs as Digital Librarians (00:39:05)Chapter 7: The Real Purpose of Education (00:51:44)Chapter 8: Local AI Infrastructure & Home Networking [Extended] (00:58:38)Chapter 9: The Centralization Problem in Package Management [Extended] (00:59:30)Epilogue (00:59:39) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Matthew Sanabria - Host Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (00:00) - Prologue (03:06) - Chapter 1: Matt's Becoming a Dad (06:39) - Chapter 2: Growth & Changing Your Opinions (15:44) - Chapter 3: Adding More Nuance in 2026 (24:57) - Chapter 4: What We're Excited to Build (30:21) - Chapter 5: Learning How Things Work: Electricity (39:05) - Chapter 6: LLMs as Digital Librarians (51:44) - Chapter 7: The Real Purpose of Education (58:38) - Chapter 8: Local AI Infrastructure & Home Networking [Extended] (59:30) - Chapter 9: The Centralization Problem in Package Management [Extended] (59:39) - Epilogue

10 Jan

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1h 1m
04/11/2025

The Fault In Our Clouds

First it was GCP in June. Then it was AWS in October. Then it was Azure a week later. It seems that our cloud providers are having outages far more often, and for far longer, than any of us would like. In this episode, Kris, Ian, and Matthew discuss the two most recent outages along with some of their thoughts on the current state of the industry and the future of software. We continue this discussion in this week's episode of Break! The panel talks about whether seeking a career with a FAANG company is worth it anymore, why building software for your local community is important, and their frustrations with point of sale systems. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show. EXTRA! EXTRA! There's lots of bonus content in this episode! And if you're a supporter you're getting all of it. In this week's extra chapters the panel talks about whether we all need to be on large cloud providers, frustrations with food delivery app PINs, whether timeouts and retries should be our go to, and why it feels like software is constantly getting worse. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Show Notes: AWS Outage Summary: https://aws.amazon.com/message/101925/Azure Outage Summary: https://azure.status.microsoft/en-us/status/history/ Table of Contents: Prologue (00:00:00)Chapter 1: The AWS Outage (00:03:03)Chapter 2: Overdependence on Timeouts and Retries [Extended] (00:27:15)Chapter 3: Food Delivery app PINs should be Local First [Extended] (00:27:41)Chapter 4: The Azure Outage (00:28:11)Chapter 5: Do We Actually Need All These Cloud Services? [Extended] (00:39:37)Chapter 6: We Are Trapped By Our Own Path Dependence [Extended] (00:40:07)Chapter 7: What Is Popular Is Not Necessarily What Is Good (00:40:54)Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions and Panic & Recover (00:42:42)Epilogue (01:02:34) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Ian Wester-Lopshire - Host Matthew Sanabria - Host Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (00:00) - Prologue (03:03) - Chapter 1: The AWS Outage (27:15) - Chapter 2: Overdependence on Timeouts and Retries [Extended] (27:41) - Chapter 3: Food Delivery app PINs should be Local First [Extended] (28:11) - Chapter 4: The Azure Outage (39:37) - Chapter 5: Do We Actually Need All These Cloud Services? [Extended] (40:07) - Chapter 6: We Are Trapped By Our Own Path Dependence [Extended] (40:54) - Chapter 7: What Is Popular Is Not Necessarily What Is Good (42:42) - Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions and Panic & Recover (01:02:34) - Epilogue

04/11/2025

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1h 5m
12/12/2025

Project Management 2 Shell

Another Cloudflare outage. A CVSS 10.0 React RCE vulnerability. We've been dealing with quite a lot these last few weeks. In this week's episode, Kris and Matt discuss the outage and vulnerability and have a deeper discussion about project management and how all of these things relate to each other. If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. This week's episode of break continues the conversation. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/19. We've got a new format for the bonus content snippets in this episode. This week we've got an extended discussion about how process should follow people, not the other way around. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents: Prologue (00:00:00)Chapter 1: Outages & Vulnerabilities (00:03:42)Chapter 2: Project Management (00:22:10)Chapter 3: Waltzing With Bears (00:29:55)Chapter 4: Process & Culture (00:43:21)Chapter 5: Process Follows People [Extended] (00:52:18)Chapter 6: We Need Better Estimates (00:52:49)Epilogue (01:04:33) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Matthew Sanabria - Host Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (00:00) - Prologue (03:42) - Chapter 1: Outages & Vulnerabilities (22:10) - Chapter 2: Project Management (29:55) - Chapter 3: Waltzing With Bears (43:21) - Chapter 4: Process & Culture (52:18) - Chapter 5: Process Follows People [Extended] (52:49) - Chapter 6: We Need Better Estimates (01:04:33) - Epilogue

12/12/2025

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1h 7m
07/10/2025

The Failure of Open Source Leadership

Open source project leaders have faced heavy challenges over the last decade and a half. It seems every language community has had conflicts with its leadership: Python with the struggles of the Python 2 to 3 migration; Node.JS and the community's conflict with Joyent; Rust and their handling of trademarks and IP; Wordpress and their conflict with WPEngine; and of course Go and their conflict around dependency management (and error handling). Now we've added another: the recent conflict between Ruby Central and the community. In this episode, Kris, Matt, and Steve discuss these conflicts and what they tell us about the way we've come to see leadership within open source projects, where the blame actually lies, and what changes we can make to avoid these issues in the future. We continue this discussion in this week's episode of Break! We get into some of the topics briefly mentioned during the main episode. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show. For our supporters, we have extra chapters about the sustainability of the current model and where we should place blame for the current problems. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Show Notes: Bryan Cantrill Platform as a Reflection of ValuesLow Level Rust is causing a lot of problemsIf WordPress is to survive, Matt Mullenweg must be removed‘This Is Just How We Do Things Now’: The Quiet Collapse of StandardsTable of Contents: Prologue (00:00:00)Chapter 1: How Did We Get Here? (00:02:07)Chapter 2: Why Does Open Source Like Dictators? (00:41:04)Chapter 3: So what happened with Ruby? (00:45:21)Chapter 4: How Sustainable Is All Of This? [Extended Only] (01:01:49)Chapter 5: Blame Lies Everywhere [Extended Only] (01:02:19)Chapter 6: It's Not The Individual, It's The System (01:03:06)Chapter 7: We Actually Can All Get Along (01:13:41)Chapter 8: Nuance Was Had (01:24:24) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Matthew Sanabria - Host Steve Klabnik - Host Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (00:00) - Prologue (02:07) - Chapter 1: How Did We Get Here? (41:04) - Chapter 2: Why Does Open Source Like Dictators? (45:21) - Chapter 3: So what happened with Ruby? (01:01:49) - Chapter 4: How Sustainable Is All Of This? [Extended Only] (01:02:19) - Chapter 5: Blame Lies Everywhere [Extended Only] (01:03:06) - Chapter 6: It's Not The Individual, It's The System (01:13:41) - Chapter 7: We Actually Can All Get Along (01:24:24) - Chapter 8: Nuance Was Had

07/10/2025

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1h 30m
28/10/2025

JJ and How to Evolve an Open Source Ecosystem

Jujutsu is a new version control system that's gaining in popularity. Its swappable backends allow users to continue using version control systems like Git without other users even noticing. Steve Klabnik aims to be a big part of it. Much like with Rust, he's getting involved early and making some big swings. In this episode, he joins Kris and Matt to discuss JJ and his recent announcement that he'll be joining East River Source Control to work on JJ and related projects full time. We continue this discussion in this week's episode of Break! We get into some of the topics briefly mentioned during the main episode. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show. Love extra content? Well if you're a supporter you're getting some. This week's extended edition includes bonus content includes a chapter on the need for new layers and another chapter on potential plans for a JJHub. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents: Prologue (00:00:00)Chapter 1: Farewell, Oxide! Hello, East River Source Control! (00:03:44)Chapter 2: JJ Backends (00:13:54)Chapter 3: When To Choose New Tools (00:17:58)Chapter 4: We're Not Going Back (00:29:16)Chapter 5: Why Use JJ? (00:31:05)Chapter 6: Creating New Layers [Extended] (00:45:33)Chapter 7: JJHub? [Extended] (00:46:08)Chapter 8: Forking Is About More Than Just The Code (00:46:56)Appendix Unpop: Unpopular Opinions (00:50:02)Epilogue (00:56:10) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Matthew Sanabria - Host Steve Klabnik - Host Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (00:00) - Prologue (03:44) - Chapter 1: Farewell, Oxide! Hello, East River Source Control! (13:54) - Chapter 2: JJ Backends (17:58) - Chapter 3: When To Choose New Tools (29:16) - Chapter 4: We're Not Going Back (31:05) - Chapter 5: Why Use JJ? (45:33) - Chapter 6: Creating New Layers [Extended] (46:08) - Chapter 7: JJHub? [Extended] (46:56) - Chapter 8: Forking Is About More Than Just The Code (50:02) - Appendix Unpop: Unpopular Opinions (56:10) - Epilogue

28/10/2025

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58 min
14/04/2025

The Podcast Pipeline

Fallthrough is a podcast about having conversations in public, and over the last 3 months we've shipped 15 of them! In this episode, Kris, Ian, and Matt sit down to discuss the podcast so far: what we've enjoyed, the feedback we've gotten, how we produce episodes, and so much more. We're excited to take a look at the first 15 episodes we've produced and look forward to making the next 15! Supporters get access to an extended conversation including chapters on how we've pivoted the podcast, learned about what works and what doesn't, our thoughts on art vs production, and much more. You can get access by signing up at https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents: Prologue (01:23)Chapter 1: The Podcast So Far (02:07)Chapter 2: Behind The Scenes (05:53)Chapter 3: Our Favorite Episodes (12:59)Chapter 4: Pivoting The Podcast (Supporter Only)Chapter 5: On Feedback (18:14)Chapter 6: Yes, And vs No, But (27:58)Chapter 7: Monologing (35:45)Chapter 8: Pre & Post Production (43:01)Chapter 9: How We Make Episodes (01:01:04)Chapter 10: Learning How Things Work (Supporter Only)Chapter 11: The Best Feedback (01:08:19)Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions (01:13:45)Appendix DESIGN: Art vs Production (Supporter Only)Epilogue (01:22:27) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Ian Wester-Lopshire - Host Matthew Sanabria - Host Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (01:23) - Prologue (02:07) - Chapter 1: The Podcast So Far (05:53) - Chapter 2: Behind The Scenes (12:59) - Chapter 3: Our Favorite Episodes (17:50) - Chapter 4: Pivoting The Podcast (18:14) - Chapter 5: On Feedback (27:58) - Chapter 6: Yes, And vs No, But (35:45) - Chapter 7: Monologing (43:01) - Chapter 8: Pre & Post Production (01:01:04) - Chapter 9: How We Make Episodes (01:08:18) - Chapter 10: Learning How Things Work (01:08:19) - Chapter 11: The Best Feedback (01:13:45) - Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions (01:22:00) - Appendix DESIGN: Art vs Production (01:22:27) - Epilogue

14/04/2025

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1h 26m
30/06/2025

SIMD & Go

Speed and software should go hand in hand, but with Moore's Law coming to an end and CPU clock speeds remaining steady over the last 20 years, software engineers need to turn to new techniques to improve the efficiency of their code. In this episode, Matt and Angelica and joined by Clement Jean to discuss one of these techniques: SIMD. They'll discuss what SIMD is, how it can be used from languages like Go, the various proposals to get better support for SIMD directly into Go and its compiler, and a bunch of other related topics. Supporters get even more conversation and higher quality audio! Get access by signing up at https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Notes: ARM NeonSVESSEAVX, AVX-256, AVX-512Parsing Gigabytes of JSON Per SecondProposal #67520Proposal #73787Compiler ExplorerDesigning Data Intensive Applications, Chapter 4 Table of Contents: Prologue (03:36)Chapter 1: What is SIMD? (04:56)Chapter 2: SIMD in Go (13:20)Chapter 3: When should one use SIMD? (18:43)Chapter 4: Clement's journey to SIMD [Supporter Only] (21:19)Chapter 5: SIMD Intrinsics in Go (21:32)Chapter 6: SIMD in other languages (35:47)Chapter 7: Measuring SIMD performance (43:00)Chapter 8: Data Oriented Design [Supporter Only] (52:52)Chapter 9: SIMD-JSON (52:59)Chapter 10: Protocol Buffers, gRPC, and cURL [Supporter Only] (58:11)Epilogue (01:01:50) Hosts Matthew Sanabria - Host Angelica Hill - Producer Kris Brandow - Producer Clément Jean - Guest Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (03:36) - Prologue (04:56) - Chapter 1: What is SIMD? (13:20) - Chapter 2: SIMD in Go (18:43) - Chapter 3: When should one use SIMD? (21:19) - Chapter 4: Clement's journey to SIMD [Supporter Only] (21:32) - Chapter 5: SIMD Intrinsics in Go (35:47) - Chapter 6: SIMD in other languages (43:00) - Chapter 7: Measuring SIMD performance (52:52) - Chapter 8: Data Oriented Design [Supporter Only] (52:59) - Chapter 9: SIMD-JSON (58:11) - Chapter 10: Protocol Buffers, gRPC, and cURL [Supporter Only] (01:01:50) - Epilogue

30/06/2025

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1h 8m
10/02/2025

What's New In Go 1.24?

Go's steady cycle of releasing new versions every six months continues. On this episode, our "What's new in Go?" correspondent (a carry over from Go Time) joins special guest host Johnny Boursiquot to talk about the new features and changes coming in Go 1.24. As always, we've got some great unpopular opinions at the end. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Notes & Links: Carlana's WebsiteTime Is Not A Synchronization Primitive (from 19:04)sqlc (from 1:05:01)Chapters: (00:00) - Intro (02:20) - Introducing Carlana (03:29) - What's New In Go 1.24? (04:02) - package weak (10:17) - package runtime (16:55) - testing (27:37) - package os (32:28) - go tool (37:58) - generic type aliases (41:35) - minor changes (52:25) - Unpopular Opinions (52:35) - Carlana's Unpop (56:36) - Johnny's Unpop (01:05:43) - Outro Hosts Kris Brandow - Producer Johnny Boursiquot - Host Carlana Johnson - Guest Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram

10/02/2025

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1h 6m
12/11/2025

Artisanal Software Engineering

Software engineering has an identity problem. Some software engineers want to be craftspeople and artisans, while others want to be more like the traditional engineers, while others just want to write some code. In this episode, Kris and Matt talk about the state of software engineering today and the areas that they think could use improvement. For this week's episode of break, we're pulling one out of the archives! Sometimes we record an episode and don't ship it for quite a while, and this one was recorded all the way back on July 30th! Kris and Matt talk about their (at the time) yet to be recorded episode with Mitchell, Oxide's Series B announcement, and have another conversation about software artisans. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/15. And we've got bonus content for our supporters, where you'll hear the duo's feelings about project management, the industry's lack of planning, and Kris' recent change in view around artificial intelligence. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents: Prologue (00:00:00)Chapter 1: The Current State of Software Engineering (00:02:28)Chapter 2: MVPs and the Challenge of Shipping Software (00:17:05)Chapter 3: Project Management and Workflows [Extended] (00:26:01)Chapter 4: The Invisible Things (00:26:24)Chapter 5: Path Dependency and Asking Why (00:31:26)Chapter 6: Engineering Is About Design (00:46:11)Chapter 7: We Need Better Planning [Extended] (00:58:42)Chapter 8: Matt wants to write less code (00:59:02)Chapter 9: Kris' view of AI has shifted [Extended] (01:02:38)Epilogue (01:03:06) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Matthew Sanabria - Host Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (00:00) - Prologue (02:28) - Chapter 1: The Current State of Software Engineering (17:05) - Chapter 2: MVPs and the Challenge of Shipping Software (26:01) - Chapter 3: Project Management and Workflows [Extended] (26:24) - Chapter 4: The Invisible Things (31:26) - Chapter 5: Path Depenency and Asking Why (46:11) - Chapter 6: Engineering Is About Design (58:42) - Chapter 7: We Need Better Planning [Extended] (59:02) - Chapter 8: Matt wants to write less code (01:02:38) - Chapter 9: Kris' view of AI has shifted [Extended] (01:03:06) - Epilogue

12/11/2025

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