This Week in AI

Jason Calacanis

An experts-only AI podcast: Think the 'All In' podcast for AI. Jason + 3 CEO-level experts breaking down the news & trends.

  1. 5 days ago

    America already lost one AI race | TWiAI Ep 23

    This Week In Startups is made possible by: PAYPAL OPEN Today’s show: This week, our panel of AI experts — Anand Kannappan (Patronus AI), Ori Goshen (AI21 Labs), and Alex Finn (Henry Intelligent Machines) — join special guest host Lon Harris to debate whether Washington will move to formally limit powerful foreign AI models like Moonshot’s Kimi K3 and Z.ai’s GLM-5.2. What does “winning the AI race” actually mean on a practical level? Why is cybersecurity, not benchmarks, likely the actual battleground. And why did Hugging Face have to use GLM-5.2 to investigate their recent breach rather than a frontier US model like Fable 5? PLUS why agents still fail so much on long horizon tasks, why proper model routing has such a HUGE impact on enterprise AI bills, and we take a look at Alex’s hacked digital typewriter he uses to code without distractions. Guests: Anand Kannappan on X: https://x.com/anandnk24 Patronus AI: https://www.patronus.ai/ Ori Goshen on X: https://x.com/origoshen AI21: https://www.ai21.com/ Alex Finn on X: https://x.com/AlexFinn Alex’s Vibe Coding Academy: https://www.skool.com/vibe-coding-academy/about Relevant Links: Axios: “The Secret Trump Administration Battle to Fight Chinese AI”: https://www.axios.com/2026/07/20/ai-us-china-open-source-kimi Chamath post on US AI options: https://x.com/chamath/status/2079457219892871458?s=20 Brian Armstrong post on spend vs. token usage: https://x.com/brian_armstrong/status/2070670644577280109 Hugging Face: Security incident disclosure: https://huggingface.co/blog/security-incident-july-2026 VentureBeat Hugging Face coverage: https://venturebeat.com/security/safety-guardrails-blocked-hugging-faces-defenders-not-the-attacker-when-an-ai-agent-breached-its-systems David Sacks post on cyber guardrails: https://x.com/DavidSacks/status/2078984980588531855 Databricks Unity AI Gateway: https://www.databricks.com/product/artificial-intelligence/unity-ai-gateway Ramp’s Router: https://ramp.com/router/ Timestamps: 0:00 Will the US limit foreign open source models? 5:40 Are the American frontier AI labs in danger of bankruptcy? 7:15 The risks of over-regulating AI 10:20 What does it mean to win the AI race? 17:08 Is self-hosting agentic Chinese models safe? 20:08 Why agents still fail when models are so smart 25:28 Simulating the digital world for agents 36:51 Why picking the right model for the task is so hard 46:29 Alex is developing "ambient intelligence" 52:35 What we know about the Hugging Face breach 53:46 Are safety guardrails kneecapping our best models? Subscribe to the TWiST500 newsletter: https://ticker.thisweekinstartups.com Check out the TWIST500: https://www.twist500.com Subscribe to This Week in Startups on Apple: https://rb.gy/v19fcp Follow Lon: X: https://x.com/lons Follow Alex: X: https://x.com/alex LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexwilhelm Follow Jason: X: https://twitter.com/Jason LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasoncalacanis Check out all our partner offers: https://partners.launch.co/ Great TWIST interviews: Will Guidara, Eoghan McCabe, Steve Huffman, Brian Chesky, Bob Moesta, Aaron Levie, Sophia Amoruso, Reid Hoffman, Frank Slootman, Billy McFarland Check out Jason’s suite of newsletters: https://substack.com/@calacanis Follow TWiST: Twitter: https://twitter.com/TWiStartups YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/thisweekin Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thisweekinstartups TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thisweekinstartups Substack: https://twistartups.substack.com

  2. 9 Jul

    What happens if China pulls the plug on open-source AI? | Ep 21

    This Week In Startups is made possible by: PAYPAL Today’s show: China is weighing a ban on foreign access to its top AI models… the same low-cost open-weight systems on which half of the Valley’s startups are building. So we asked our two all-star panelists — Arena CEO/Co-Founder Anastasios Angelopoulos and Hippocratic AI CEO/Co-Founder Munjal Shah — what happens to US companies when their favorite cheap, powerful models vaporize overnight. PLUS why Hippocratic runs 31 models in parallel to ensure clinical-grade safety, the latency-vs-intelligence tradeoff no one is optimizing for, and why a company’s benchmarks might become their most valuable IP. Guests: Anastasios Angelopoulos on X: https://x.com/ml_angelopoulos Arena AI: https://arena.ai/ Agent Arena: https://arena.ai/leaderboard/agent Munjal Shah on X: https://x.com/munjalshah Hippocratic AI: https://hippocraticai.com/ Relevant Links: Reuters: “Beijing is looking at curbing overseas access…”: https://www.reuters.com/world/beijing-is-looking-curbing-overseas-access-chinas-top-ai-models-sources-say-2026-07-07/ Z.ai: https://z.ai/ Alibaba’s Qwen: https://qwen.ai/ Google’s Gemma: https://ai.google.dev/gemma Reflection AI: https://reflection.ai/ Nvidia: “How Open Models are Driving Research”: https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/open-models-icml-2026/ DoorDash: “How we learned to trust our AI code reviewer”: https://careersatdoordash.com/blog/how-we-learned-to-trust-our-ai-code-reviewer-at-doordash Harvey AI: https://www.harvey.ai/ ElevenLabs: https://elevenlabs.io/ Anthropic: “A global workspace in language models”: https://www.anthropic.com/research/global-workspace CNN: “Trump rings opening bell to mark first day of trading for Trump Accounts”: https://www.cnn.com/2026/07/06/business/trump-accounts-launch Brown University Health: https://www.brownhealth.org/ Timestamps: 0:00 Will US companies lose access to Chinese models? 1:42 Open source makes running 31 models viable 5:01 How deep is the West's open source bench? 13:20 Jagged Intelligence and why post-training matters 25:22 Benchmarks as living quality checks 32:49 Why models still struggle with drug names 42:58 Fine-tuning TV, cough, and sob detection 46:08 What is Arena actually selling? 1:08:29 Nationalization vs. buying stakes in AI companies Subscribe to the TWiST500 newsletter: https://ticker.thisweekinstartups.com Check out the TWIST500: https://www.twist500.com Subscribe to This Week in Startups on Apple: https://rb.gy/v19fcp Follow Lon: X: https://x.com/lons Follow Alex: X: https://x.com/alex LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexwilhelm Follow Jason: X: https://twitter.com/Jason LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasoncalacanis Check out all our partner offers: https://partners.launch.co/ Great TWIST interviews: Will Guidara, Eoghan McCabe, Steve Huffman, Brian Chesky, Bob Moesta, Aaron Levie, Sophia Amoruso, Reid Hoffman, Frank Slootman, Billy McFarland Check out Jason’s suite of newsletters: https://substack.com/@calacanis Follow TWiST: Twitter: https://twitter.com/TWiStartups YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/thisweekin Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thisweekinstartups TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thisweekinstartups Substack: https://twistartups.substack.com

  3. 25 Jun

    Are world models the unlock for Physical AI? | Episode 19

    This Week In Startups is made possible by: Paypal Today’s show: *When we think of “Physical AI,” most of us conjure images of humanoid robots and self-driving cars. But there’s a lot more to the category than just breakdancing Chinese bots and Waymos, from excavators autonomously digging tomorrows worksites, to a robot the size of four pizza boxes deploying to the ISS. Guest host Alex Wilhelm sits down with three founders in the trenches of the Physical AI Space: Boris Sofman of Bedrock Robotics, which builds autonomous construction equipment Jeff Hawke of Odyssey, a frontier AI lab specializing in world models for robotics and video games Ethan Barajas of Icarus Robotics, designers of the free-flying Joy robot that will join the ISS crew in 2027 Guests: Boris Sofman on X: https://x.com/bsofman Bedrock Robotics: https://bedrockrobotics.com/ Jeff Hawke on X: https://x.com/jeffrey_hawke Odyssey: https://odyssey.ml/ Ethan Barajas on X: https://x.com/ethanbarajas11 Icarus Robotics: https://www.icarusrobotics.com/ Relevant Links Bedrock Excavators Remove 65,000 Cubic Yards of Dirt: https://www.enr.com/articles/61982-bedrock-robotics-excavators-remove-65-000-cubic-yards-of-dirt-on-southwest-project Odyssey $310M Series B article: https://techcrunch.com/2026/06/17/world-model-maker-odyssey-nabs-1-45b-valuation-backed-by-amazon-and-other-big-names/ Icarus “Joyride” Mission announcement: https://thedebrief.org/icarus-is-building-the-robotic-labor-force-for-space-voyager-technologies-is-sending-a-next-generation-zero-gravity-robot-on-a-joyride-to-space/ PROWL: Prioritized Regret-Driven Optimization for World Model Learning: https://arxiv.org/abs/2605.18803 NVIDIA Cosmos 3 report: https://research.nvidia.com/labs/cosmos-lab/cosmos3/technical-report.pdf ISS Columbus Laboratory Module: https://www.nasa.gov/international-space-station/columbus-laboratory-module/ NASA’s Astrobee flying robot: https://www.nasa.gov/astrobee/ Voyager Technologies: https://www.voyagerspace.com/ Vast Space: https://www.vastspace.com/ Blue Origin’s New Glenn: https://www.blueorigin.com/new-glenn “Red Mars” by Kim Stanley Robinson: https://www.amazon.com/Red-Mars-Stanley-Robinson/dp/0553560735 “Rendezvous with Rama” by Arthur C. Clarke: https://www.amazon.com/Rendezvous-Rama-Arthur-Clarke/dp/0553287893 Theo Von “This Past Weekend” podcast: https://www.theovon.com/podcast Anthropic statement on Fable/Mythos suspension: https://www.anthropic.com/news/fable-mythos-access Timestamps: 0:00 The Year of Physical AI 1:28 Why everyone's bullish on world models 7:03 Physical AI is harder, but probably bigger 9:08 How to think about world models 16:00 When data becomes "adversarial" 25:00 How Bedrock powers autonomous excavators 30:48 Why teleoperation gets a bad rap 39:10 Meet Joy the space robot 41:33 Laser comms coming to next-gen stations 46:29 Why everyone hates data centers 57:33 When does Claude Fable come back? Subscribe to the TWiST500 newsletter: https://ticker.thisweekinstartups.com Check out the TWIST500: https://www.twist500.com Subscribe to This Week in Startups on Apple: https://rb.gy/v19fcp Follow Lon: X: https://x.com/lons Follow Alex: X: https://x.com/alex LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexwilhelm Follow Jason: X: https://twitter.com/Jason LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasoncalacanis Check out all our partner offers: https://partners.launch.co/ Great TWIST interviews: Will Guidara, Eoghan McCabe, Steve Huffman, Brian Chesky, Bob Moesta, Aaron Levie, Sophia Amoruso, Reid Hoffman, Frank Slootman, Billy McFarland Check out Jason’s suite of newsletters: https://substack.com/@calacanis Follow TWiST: Twitter: https://twitter.com/TWiStartups YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/thisweekin Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thisweekinstartups TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thisweekinstartups Substack: https://twistartups.substack.com

  4. 18 Jun

    Why AI Models Aren’t the Product Any More | TWiAI Ep 18

    SpaceX bought Cursor for $60 billion. Satya Nadella says companies need to stop relying on third party AI models and build their own “token capital.” The focus is shifting from LLMs to the application layer sitting on top of them. Here to unpack what that means are guest experts Ali Ansari (Micro1) and Ryan Daniels (Crosby).Plus we get a sneak peek at their new contract redlining benchmark, a crucial eval for how well LLMs don’t just answer questions about the law, but demonstrate actual legal reasoning.Timestamps:0:00 SpaceX acquires Cursor7:36 Distillation vs. building your own model19:43 Nadella's "Frontier Without an Ecosystem"30:21 AI in the courtroom32:15 Ando: the intriguing new workplace tool1:05:38 Inside Micro1 and Crosby's new benchmark1:07:14Guests:Ali Ansari: https://x.com/aliansarinikMicro1: https://www.micro1.ai/Ryan Daniels: https://x.com/ryanjdanielsCrosby: https://crosby.ai/Relevant Links:Bloomberg: “SpaceX acquires Cursor for $60B”: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-06-16/spacex-cements-60-billion-deal-to-take-over-ai-startup-cursorQuinn Thompson “brilliant corporate finance” post: https://x.com/qthomp/status/2066859672749977988Business Insider: “Inside Cursor’s Wild Rise”: https://www.businessinsider.com/cursor-ceo-michael-truell-spacex-elon-musk-anthropic-2026-6Satya Nadella: “A frontier without an ecosystem is not stable”: https://x.com/satyanadella/article/2066182223213293753Joshua Browder’s Do Not Pay: https://donotpay.com/Harvard Magazine: “AI Outperforms Doctors in Emergency Room Tasks”: https://www.harvardmagazine.com/ai/ai-outperforms-doctors-diagnosis-harvard-studyJoshua Kushner “Long Humans” post: https://x.com/JoshuaKushner/status/2065093542809092465Ando: https://ando.so/Nim Ravid on X: https://x.com/Nim_Ravid1Subscribe to the TWiST500 newsletter: https://ticker.thisweekinstartups.comCheck out the TWIST500: https://www.twist500.comSubscribe to This Week in Startups on Apple: https://rb.gy/v19fcpFollow Lon:X: https://x.com/lonsFollow Alex:X: https://x.com/alexLinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexwilhelmFollow Jason:X: https://twitter.com/JasonLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasoncalacanisCheck out all our partner offers: https://partners.launch.co/Great TWIST interviews: Will Guidara, Eoghan McCabe, Steve Huffman, Brian Chesky, Bob Moesta, Aaron Levie, Sophia Amoruso, Reid Hoffman, Frank Slootman, Billy McFarlandCheck out Jason’s suite of newsletters: https://substack.com/@calacanisFollow TWiST:Twitter: https://twitter.com/TWiStartupsYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/thisweekinInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thisweekinstartupsTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thisweekinstartupsSubstack: https://twistartups.substack.com

  5. 4 Jun

    AI Layoffs, Compute Costs & Agents | Naveen Rao & Alex Finn on This Week in AI Episode 16

    The future of AI isn't about whether the model is smart enough. It's about whether we can afford to run it. We dug into the AI cost panic, the energy wall that's coming for compute, and why "developers are disappearing" gets the economics exactly backwards.This week's roundtable: Naveen Rao (CEO of Unconventional AI, building brain-inspired analog chips, formerly sold companies to Intel and Databricks) and Alex Finn (founder of Henry Intelligent Machines and Creator Buddy).Thank you to our exclusive sponsor: PayPal Open, One Platform for All Business: http://paypalopen.com/Timestamps:0:00 Cold open1:21 Welcome to Episode 162:44 Is the AI cost panic real, or just "token maxing"?5:08 It's not the intelligence, it's how people use AI9:40 Surgeons vs. shotguns: prompt discipline & matching models to tasks13:10 Naveen's path from Intel and Databricks to Unconventional15:08 Why developers aren't disappearing18:37 How energy overtook CapEx in the cost of compute21:34 The energy wall & getting to 3 orders of magnitude more efficient25:52 AI's PR problem & the data center backlash27:55 China's hunger vs. America's AI boogeyman30:38 Data center taxes, equity stakes & the politics of AI upside37:54 The Anthropic IPO & how these founders actually invest🔗 Guests:Naveen Rao, Unconventional AI: https://unconv.ai | https://x.com/AlexFinnAlex Finn, Henry Intelligent Machines: https://meethenry.ai | https://x.com/NaveenGRao🔗 Host:Alex Wilhelm, This Week in Startups: https://x.com/alex🔗 Referenced in this episode:Unconventional AI (analog chips for AI): https://unconv.aiMosaicML (acquired by Databricks): https://www.databricks.com/research/m...Nervana Systems (acquired by Intel)Creator Buddy: https://creatorbuddy.ioQwen (open-weight model Alex runs locally): https://qwenlm.aiNVIDIA DGX Spark: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/products...Anthropic (filed to go public): https://www.anthropic.comHenry Intelligent Machines: https://meethenry.ai/🔗 Subscribe and follow:Newsletter and all platforms: https://thisweekinai.ai#ThisWeekInAI #AI #UnconventionalAI #NaveenRao #AlexFinn #AnalogComputing #AIcompute #AIenergy #TokenMaxing #AIlayoffs #AnthropicIPO

    AI Layoffs, Compute Costs & Agents | Naveen Rao & Alex Finn on This Week in AI Episode 16

  6. 13 May

    How the 1% Will Own Compute (and What It Means for You)

    The future of AI isn't a smarter chatbot. It's a model that watches your screen, listens to the room, and acts on what it sees. We dug into Thinking Machines' new interaction model, what it means for compute, and the layoff wave that's already here.This week's roundtable: Anastasios Angelopoulos (CEO of Arena, formerly LMArena), Nick Harris (CEO of Lightmatter, photonic computing chips), and Philip Johnston (CEO of StarCloud, building megawatt data centers in space). Thank you to our exclusive sponsor: PayPal Open, One Platform for All Business: http://paypalopen.com/ Timestamps: 0:00 Cold open 1:21 Welcome to Episode 13 2:51 Is China closing the AI gap? Arena's data 5:16 Lightmatter and the photonic interconnect bottleneck 9:42 StarCloud 2, Nvidia Space Ruben 1, and orbital data centers 17:24 Thinking Machines' interaction model: what's actually new 28:22 Whisper Flow and the 3-pedal desk setup 33:48 Real-time desktop and camera awareness as the real unlock 40:25 Why this 100x's compute demand 42:43 The polarization of compute and $10M personal data centers 49:25 The layoff wave: Cloudflare, PayPal, Coinbase, Upwork 54:48 The 10x gap between AI-first and non-AI-first employees 59:52 Unlimited agency and the abundance future 1:00:46 Anthropic's Project Luna runs a retail store 1:03:45 Decoupling labor from value creation 1:05:03 P(doom) round 🔗 Guests: Anastasios Angelopoulos, Arena: https://arena.ai | @ML_Angelopolous Nick Harris, Lightmatter: https://lightmatter.co Philip Johnston, StarCloud: https://starcloud.com | @philipjohnston 🔗 Referenced in this episode: Thinking Machines, Introducing Interaction Models: https://thinkingmachines.ai/blog/interaction-models/ LMArena leaderboard: https://lmarena.ai Lightmatter: https://lightmatter.co Starcloud: https://www.starcloud.com TechCrunch, Cloudflare says AI made 1,100 jobs obsolete: https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/08/cloudflare-says-ai-made-1100-jobs-obsolete-even-as-revenue-hit-a-record-high/ Fast Company, Tech layoffs this week due to AI (Cloudflare, PayPal, Coinbase, Upwork): https://www.fastcompany.com/91538995/tech-layoffs-due-to-ai-this-week-cloudflare-paypal-coinbase-upwork Bloomberg, South Korea floats citizen dividend from AI profits: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2026-05-12/korea-s-massive-ai-boom-triggers-call-for-tech-tax-roiling-market PYMNTS, Inside a retail store run entirely by AI (Andon Labs / Luna): https://www.pymnts.com/artificial-intelligence-2/2026/inside-a-retail-store-run-entirely-by-ai/ Wispr Flow (voice-to-text tool Jason uses): https://wisprflow.ai Fermi Paradox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox 🔗 Subscribe and follow: Newsletter and all platforms: https://thisweekinai.ai #ThisWeekInAI #AI #ThinkingMachines #Lightmatter #StarCloud #Arena #Anthropic #ProjectLuna #AIcompute #AIlayoffs #Superintelligence

    How the 1% Will Own Compute (and What It Means for You)

  7. 30 Apr

    Cursor's $60B Deal, DeepSeek V4 & the Death of the AI Moat | This Week in AI E11

    This week Jason sits down with three founders at the frontier of AI infrastructure, software development, and vertical AI: Matan Grinberg, co-founder and CEO of Factory; Russ d'Sa, co-founder and CEO of LiveKit; and George Sivulka, founder and CEO of Hebbia. They break down why AI coding agents are more powerful than vibe coding, how voice became the default interface for AI, why LLMs are becoming commoditized like RAM, and what it actually takes to build a moat in 2026. Mentioned in the show: Factory: https://factory.aiLiveKit: https://livekit.ioHebbia: https://hebbia.comCursor: https://cursor.comDeepSeek V4: https://deepseek.comSpaceX / xAI: https://x.aiPolymarket (Cursor acquisition odds): https://polymarket.com/event/will-spacex-acquire-cursorLM Arena (model benchmarks): https://lmarena.aiSWE-bench (coding benchmarks): https://swebench.comSilicon Valley HBO clip (Son of Anton): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0b_D2JgZgY This Week In AI is made possible by: PayPal Open - One Platform for all Business: https/:/paypalopen.com/ Timestamps: 00:00 Intro & AGI debate: where are we really? 02:26 Meet the guests: Matan Grinberg, Russ d'Sa, George Sivulka 03:30 Factory's mission: bringing autonomy to software engineering 04:29 LiveKit's origin: open source WebRTC to ChatGPT voice backbone 07:40 Learned helplessness and the raptor fence: a founder story 10:31 Hebbia: financial superintelligence for capital markets 13:21 SpaceX acquiring Cursor for $60B: the deal breakdown 17:28 Why enterprises can't standardize on one model provider 21:50 The Silicon Valley clip: when AI deletes all the software 23:09 How AI coding tools have changed internal dev workflows 26:28 Moats in the age of vibe coding: what actually protects you 30:12 The relentless iteration promise as a company's core moat 33:40 Slack example: the buy vs. build calculation in 2026 38:10 Deterministic agents and encoding institutional expertise 41:17 LLMs as commoditized infrastructure: where value pools 45:56 DeepSeek V4 drops mid-episode: $3.48 vs. Claude's $25 50:13 AI in financial markets: arbitrage, meme stocks, and ASI 56:58 China blocks Metas acquisition, OpenAI-Microsoft deal redux 58:41 AGI definitions and who wins the US vs. China model race 01:02:13 US open source embarrassment and the talent war 01:05:23 OpenAI's spend vs. revenue: risk of ruin or name of the game? 01:09:14 Apple's new CEO, M-series compute flood, and space data centers 01:12:08 P-doom scores and final thoughts Subscribe to This Week in AI on Apple: https://thisweekinai.ai/apple Subscribe to This Week in AI on Spotify: https://thisweekinai.ai/spotify Follow Jason: X: https://twitter.com/Jason LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasoncalacanis Follow Oliver: https://x.com/oliverkorzen Check out all our partner offers: https://partners.launch.co/

    Cursor's $60B Deal, DeepSeek V4 & the Death of the AI Moat | This Week in AI E11

  8. 23 Apr

    Aravind Srinivas & Edwin Chen: The $1B Bootstrap, Apple's AI Edge, and Benchmarks | TWiAI E10

    This week we sat down with Aravind Srinivas and Edwin Chen. Aravind is the co-founder and CEO of Perplexity, whose revenue has grown from $100M to $500M on the back of Perplexity Computer. Edwin is the co-founder and CEO of Surge AI, the data training company teaching frontier models how to think, which quietly bootstrapped past $1B in revenue without ever raising a dollar. This Week In AI is made possible by: PayPal Open - One Platform for all Business: https://paypalopen.com/ Timestamps: 00:00 Cold open 01:00 Welcome & intro to Aravind Srinivas and Edwin Chen 02:40 Why Perplexity Comet and Perplexity Max are taking off 05:25 Edwin on Surge AI and why "data labeling" is the wrong term 10:47 Tim Cook steps down — what Apple's new CEO should do 13:56 Owning your agent loops: why Apple wins 21:20 "The iPhone is not getting disrupted by AI at all" 23:09 $242B raised in Q1 2026 and the late-stage capital flood 23:55 Edwin on bootstrapping Surge past $1B without raising 25:09 The ChatGPT "one weird trick" story and clickbait models 30:58 Claude Code as a loss leader to dominate token collection 33:30 Are we in the endgame for coding? 35:35 Autocomplete to auto-diff to auto-outcomes 38:54 The death of the no-code movement 41:34 30% headcount growth, 5x revenue, the efficiency playbook 45:41 AI in Hollywood, Gal Gadot, and $70M movies that should cost $200M 50:29 "People don't buy models, they buy products" 57:20 Specialization vs commoditization — what actually accrues value58:00 "LM Arena is a cancer on AI" 63:34 Perplexity's heuristics for measuring user intent65:41 Model Council, Jensen Huang, and orchestrating frontier models 71:23 Most impressive AI experiences — WhisperFlow, Grok on X, Claude Design, and WHOOP 78:29 Hiring at Surge AI and Perplexity Subscribe to This Week in AI on Apple:https://thisweekinai.ai/apple Subscribe to This Week in AI on Spotify:https://thisweekinai.ai/spotify Follow Jason: X: @jason LinkedIn: /jasoncalacanis Check out all our partner offers: https://partners.launch.co/ Links Mentioned on the Show: Perplexity: https://perplexity.ai/ Surge AI: https://surge.ai/ Perplexity Comet: https://comet.perplexity.ai/ Perplexity Max: https://perplexity.ai/max Claude Code: https://claude.com/product/claude-code Claude Design: https://claude.com/claude-design OpenAI Codex: https://openai.com/codex GitHub Copilot: https://github.com/features/copilot Cursor: https://cursor.com/ LM Arena: https://lmarena.ai/ Kimi K2: https://www.kimi.com/ DeepSeek: https://www.deepseek.com/ Apple Silicon: https://www.apple.com/mac/m4/ WhisperFlow: https://wisprflow.ai/ WHOOP: https://www.whoop.com/

    Aravind Srinivas & Edwin Chen: The $1B Bootstrap, Apple's AI Edge, and Benchmarks | TWiAI E10
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An experts-only AI podcast: Think the 'All In' podcast for AI. Jason + 3 CEO-level experts breaking down the news & trends.

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    Jason Calacanis
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    2026
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