Future Learning Design Podcast

Tim Logan

We are stuck in an old paradigm, with institutional structures that were built for a world that no longer exists. Within education, passionate entrepreneurs & committed citizens are no longer waiting for these broken formal institutions to be reformed. All over the world, they're designing & building their own local responses with relationships at their core. These are the education ecosystems that our young people need and out of which new institutions will emerge. This podcast is an inquiry into these fundamental changes and an invitation to join the movement to help nurture positive change.

  1. Sports as Sites of Learning & Contestation - A Conversation with Prof. Frank Andre Guridy

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    Sports as Sites of Learning & Contestation - A Conversation with Prof. Frank Andre Guridy

    We often overlook sports as a site of learning, but it’s a massive part of so many people’s lives, whether playing, supporting, watching or teaching. And simultaneously, all of life happens in and around the sports arena. It is humanity in our most beautiful and, sometimes, ugliest manifestations. With all of the global sporting events happening right now, I wanted to bring this into our podcast conversations and there are few people better to do that with than player, coach, friend, and also pre-eminent scholar of the history and political economy of sports around the world, Professor Frank Andre Guridy. Frank is the Dr. Kenneth and Kareitha Forde Professor of African American and African Diaspora Studies. He is also Professor of History and the Executive Director of the Eric H. Holder Initiative for Civil and Political Rights at Columbia. He is an award-winning historian whose recent research has focused on sport history, urban history, and the history of American social movements. His most recent book, ‘The Stadium: An American History of Politics, Protest, and Play’ tells the story of the American stadium as an institution that has played a central role in American civic and political life and in the struggles for social justice from the 19th century until the present.  His previous book, ‘The Sports Revolution: How Texas Changed the Culture of American Athletics’ explored how Texas-based sports entrepreneurs and athletes from marginalized backgrounds transformed American sporting culture during the 1960s and 1970s, the highpoint of the Black Freedom and Second-Wave feminist movements.  Frank is also a leading scholar of the Black Freedom Movement in the United States and the Caribbean. His first book, Forging Diaspora: Afro-Cubans and African Americans in a World of Empire and Jim Crow (University of North Carolina Press, 2010), won the Elsa Goveia Book Prize from the Association of Caribbean Historians and the Wesley-Logan Book Prize, conferred by the American Historical Association. He is also the co-editor of Beyond el Barrio: Everyday Life in Latino/a America (NYU Press, 2010), with Gina Pérez and Adrian Burgos, Jr.  He has also won awards for his teaching and service at multiple institutions, receiving the Regents’ Outstanding Teaching Award from the University of Texas at Austin in 2010, the Mark Van Doren Award for Teaching at Columbia in 2019, and the Faculty Service Award at Columbia in 2023. Frank’s books The Stadium: An American History of Politics, Protest, and Play (Basic Books, 2024) The Sports Revolution: How Texas Changed the Culture of American Athletics (Austin: University of Texas Press, 2021) Forging Diaspora: Afro-Cubans and African Americans in a World of Empire and Jim Crow (The University of North Carolina Press, 2010) Beyond El Barrio: Everyday Life in Latina/o America (NYU Press, 2010) Other links https://history.columbia.edu/person/guridy-frank/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/frank-guridy-401b87230/

    39 Min.
  2. Learning with Living Labs - A Conversation with Heleen Geerts, Anja Overdiek, Sam Rye, Dinda Ciptaviana & Lotte Troost

    20. Juni

    Learning with Living Labs - A Conversation with Heleen Geerts, Anja Overdiek, Sam Rye, Dinda Ciptaviana & Lotte Troost

    There is a lot of discussions happening these days about the future of university and higher education in general. How does it keep pace with rapidly changing and disruptive technologies? How does it meet the needs of young people and become responsive and flexible enough to generate much needed transformations in research and development, knowledge creation, and capability building? And how does it adapt to the increasing volatility in all aspects of social, political, economic and ecological life that we are seeing everywhere? In October last year Monash University published a report called 'Advancing University Living Labs' (https://www.monash.edu/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/4137481/Monash-University-Advancing-University-Living-Labs-Report-October-2025.pdf) on a fascinating new approach that universities and other communities and multi-stakeholder environments are taking in response to some of these fundamental questions. As I learned more about Living Labs I was introduced to more of the inspiring community of practitioners around the world who are using it. So this week it's my great pleasure to bring together a number of these Living Labs experts. If you're new to this approach, hopefully this episode will give you an overview, as well as some examples and use cases. And if you want to go deeper there are loads of links below. A big thank you to Lars Fuhrmann (https://www.linkedin.com/in/larsthimof/) for coordinating and bringing everyone together! Anja Overdiek: https://www.linkedin.com/in/overdiek12345/www.lulu.com/search?sortBy=RELEVANCE&page=1&q=Anja+overdiek&pageSize=10&adult_audience_rating=00 Sam Rye: https://www.linkedin.com/in/samrye/ Advancing University Living Labs (Report) ENoLL Origins, Developments & Future Perspectives  Landscape Typology of Living Labs (fieldnote article) Dinda Ciptaviana: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anastasia-dinda-ciptaviana/ Kampung Kollektief: https://www.instagram.com/kampung_kollektief/  Linktree of projects from Kampung Kollektief including the 'What if Lab' and Living Lab:  https://linktr.ee/kampung_kollektief  Lotte Troost: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lottetroost/ NL Knowledge House Living Lab with Kampung Kollektief  NL Knowledge House Living Labs  Heleen Geerts: https://www.linkedin.com/in/heleen-geerts-911b354/ www.lulu.com/search?sortBy=RELEVANCE&page=1&q=Anja+overdiek&pageSize=10&adult_audience_rating=00 European Network of Living Labs (ENoLL): https://enoll.org/ OpenLivingLab Days 2026 coming up in September: https://enoll.org/events/openlivinglab-days-2026/

    51 Min.
  3. Learning Not to Save the World - A Conversation with Anthea Lawson

    6. Juni

    Learning Not to Save the World - A Conversation with Anthea Lawson

    A big part of where I see shifts happening in education systems is encouraging young people to get out into the world, into their communities and make a difference to issues that they care about. There is so much learning that can happen in this process. I have shared a few episodes in the past with fantastic people like Cathrine Berger-Kaye, Daniela Papi-Thornton and Zoe Weil, supporting young people and educators in this kind of work. But there are also some fascinating and important considerations to be aware of when we step into this work, so that we really have the impact that we are hoping to, and don’t replicate past harms and unhelpful patterns. My guest this week, Anthea Lawson, has been working on the front line of this kind of work for decades and has learned through her own experience just how complex and entangled these issues are that we care about doing something about. And she has been sharing her gathered wisdom on it in her previous book The Entangled Activist, and very excitingly her new book, out this week, ‘How Not to Save the World: Doing good without annoying everyone’. George Monbiot has described it as a wise, rich and crucial book! And I can certainly recommend it myself.  As a journalist, campaigner and writer, Anthea Lawson has fought for many issues over three decades including controls on the arms trade and an end to the financial secrecy offered by tax havens. She helped launch a campaign for transparency over company ownership which resulted in changes to the law in dozens of countries. After training as a journalist at The Times, she worked for campaign groups including Global Witness and Amnesty International. Her writing helps people who want to change the world think about the psychological, spiritual and philosophical foundations of what they’re doing, what’s getting in the way, and how they can be more effective. Links Anthea's website: https://www.anthealawson.uk/ 'How Not to Save the World' Book: https://www.anthealawson.uk/how-not-to-save-the-world 'The Entangled Activist' Book: https://www.anthealawson.uk/the-entangled-activist LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anthea-lawson/ Don't Talk About Politics: How to Change 21st-Century Minds by Sarah Stein Lubrano: https://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/dont-talk-about-politics-9781399413916/ More info about the Antidebate: https://systems-souls-society.com/praxis/antidebate/

    50 Min.
  4. How Embodiment Science Transforms Education - A Conversation with Prof. Guy Claxton and Emily Poel

    30. Mai

    How Embodiment Science Transforms Education - A Conversation with Prof. Guy Claxton and Emily Poel

    This week is a huge privilege to have my good friends Emily Poel and Guy Claxton returning to the podcast in celebration of the release this week of their fabulous new book, Bodies of Learning: How Embodiment Science Transforms Education. It's a really significant book! that lays out, unlike any other, the deep implications of 4E cognitive science that support and strengthen the case for a more healthy, more human(e), moregenerative educational experience for our young people; which is everything this channel is about. Link to the book: https://www.bodiesoflearning.org/ Prof. Guy Claxton is a cognitive scientist, education thought leader, and author of The Future of Teaching and Intelligencein the Flesh among many other books, with decades of research on expanding human intelligence and applying learning science in real-world contexts. He has spent most of his working life based in a variety of UK universities including Oxford, Bristol, King’s College London and Winchester. Increasingly his work has taken a more practical turn, and he has been involved with a wide range of organisations where a better understanding of human intelligence is needed. For example, he has been: Consultant on education to the Royal Albert Hall; workshop leader for Premier League Youth Football Coaches; lecturer at the Siobhan Davies Dance School and the London College of Fashion; Inaugural lecturer at Her Majesty's Treasury Learning Centre; meditation teacher at Atsitsa holiday centre on the Greek island of Skyros (where I met my wife Judith); consultant to the Centre for Contemplative Education research project on mindfulness in European schools (under the auspices of HH The Dalai Lama); guest lecturer at the Harvard Learning Innovations Laboratory (LILA); consultant to the South Australian Department of Education and Child Development among many others. Links: https://www.guyclaxton.net/ Recent Deans Lecture Series, University of Melbourne: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGFEswKBnMw Emily Poel is a Berlin-based embodiment practitioner who has taught internationally for over fifteen years, developing practical methods that show how movement and physical awareness shape creativity, thinking, and learning.Originally from Michigan and with a degree in contemporary dance performance and history, she's worked internationally as a performer, choreographer and creative advisor. In 2004 she shifted her focus to embodiment training and hasn’t stopped since. Over the last ten years she's developed a large collection of activities using physical awareness tools and movement training to better understand how creativity,learning and thinking actually work. Links: https://embodimentatwork.co/ Move4Schools - https://move4schools.com/ Previous episodes featuring Guy and Emily: We Need More Embodied Education! A Conversation with Arawana Hayashi, Prof. Guy Claxton, Dr. Akhil K. Singh, Emily Poel and Caroline Williams: https://www.goodimpactlabs.com/podcast/embodied-education Finding 'Aliveness' in Schools - A Conversation with Prof. Guy Claxton: https://www.goodimpactlabs.com/podcast/guy-claxton

    1 Std.
  5. We are Intertwined Creatures - A Conversation with Prof. Tony Chemero

    16. Mai

    We are Intertwined Creatures - A Conversation with Prof. Tony Chemero

    If you think about which verbs dominate formal education you’ll probably come up with a list like learning, thinking, reasoning, remembering, knowing, and maybe behaving. Now think about what images come to mind when you consider those verbs, or do a google image search and see what you get! I’m willing to bet that the most common images coming up are of individual heads, maybe with a visible brain or cogs, doing the thinking, the reasoning, the learning, the cognition. And to emphasise the point further, when we want to highlight that it’s more than one thinker or reasoner doing the work, we have to put clarifying adjectives or nouns in front, like group cognition, collective learning or collaborative problem solving. But the fact is, we are actually already “intertwined creatures” in our entanglement with each other and the world. We think, learn and reason all the time with and through each other and the objects we interact with, and the places we are in. My guest this week, Professor Tony Chemero, has been a major proponent of ‘radical embodied cognition’ for his whole career as a professor of philosophy and psychology. His latest book, brilliantly titled, ‘Intertwined Creatures: The Embodied Cognitive Science of Self and Other’ is an amazing articulation of just how interconnected we are as creatures and learners in the world. Tony is a Distinguished Research Professor of Philosophy and Psychology at the University of Cincinnati, and a primary member of both the Center for Cognition, Action, and Perception[1] and the Strange Tools Research Lab. As well as many academic articles, he is the author of: Radical Embodied Cognitive Science (2009, MIT Press) - https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262516471/radical-embodied-cognitive-science/ Phenomenology, with Stephan Käufer (2015, Polity Press; second edition, 2021) - https://www.wiley.com/en-be/Phenomenology%3A+An+Introduction%2C+2nd+Edition-p-9781509540662 Intertwined Creatures: The Embodied Cognitive Science of Self and Other’ (2026, Columbia University Press) - https://cup.columbia.edu/book/intertwined-creatures/9780231223195/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Chemero https://researchdirectory.uc.edu/p/chemeray

    46 Min.
  6. Educating for Societal Design - A Conversation with Emily Harris and Martin Lorenz

    9. Mai

    Educating for Societal Design - A Conversation with Emily Harris and Martin Lorenz

    There are lots of reasons why well-intentioned work, trying to do things differently and shift the way that systems currently operate, often struggle and fail. But one of the reasons that I find most interesting is to look at the "dark matter" or deep codes that are built into our current ways of working. These might be things like the way we do contracts, the way insurance functions, and legal precedents. Or the way that value is defined and accounted for, and the way money functions and flows. Most of the time these things are simply constraints that we are told we just have to deal with in our work. But as you might have heard in a previous episode with Indy Johar and Adam Purvis (https://www.goodimpactlabs.com/podcast/indy-johar-and-adam-purvis), organisations like Dark Matter Labs are not accepting this status quo and, in fact, are actively trying to work towards redesigning these deep codes. But then you might say: “Well that's fine for those kinds of organisations who get to do that work, but that's not something that I can get involved with.” My guests this week are  colleagues of Adam and Indy at Dark Matter Labs, but they are taking it one stage further and asking the question, what does it mean to educate for building the capabilities and sensibilities for this kind of work. They are calling it “societal design” and in this conversation you'll hear them reflecting on the Masters programme that they are launching this September, in collaboration with Elisava Barcelona School of Design and Engineering. Applications are open until July 15th 2026. For further information about this and Emily and Martin’s other work, check out the links below. Martin and Emily’s ‘Anti-Brief’ website: https://anti-brief.org/ Further links about the Societal Design Master Degree Programme at Elisava, Barcelona at UVic: University of Vic - Central University of Catalonia. https://www.elisava.net/en/masters/master-in-societal-design/  https://anti-brief.org/about/  https://www.linkedin.com/company/societal-design-master-at-elisava/posts/  Martin on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drmartinlorenz/  Emily on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emily-harris-fca-3b381565/  Dark Matter Labs: https://darkmatterlabs.org/ Life-Enobling Economics microsite: https://lee.darkmatterlabs.org/ Cornerstone Indicators report (2023): https://drive.google.com/file/d/176CNiZYM1v2xcEzDVO4SHuEfRQoosCVL/view  Cornerstone Indicators microsite: https://cornerstoneindicators.com/

    49 Min.
  7. Deep Collaboration is Transforming Higher Education in Africa - A Conversation with Rose A. Dodd

    25. Apr.

    Deep Collaboration is Transforming Higher Education in Africa - A Conversation with Rose A. Dodd

    Collaboration, whether it's between young people in a classroom or between institutions across an educational ecosystem, is often seen as an unquestioned virtue. An assumed aspect of people simply working together on a shared purpose, but without much thought given to how it happens in meaningful and deep ways to generate genuinely expanded possibilities for everyone. Rose A. Dodd and her team at The Education Collaborative have been showing how this is done at a massive scale across Africa, for the last decade. Rose joined me this week to share what she and her network have been learning about how deep radical collaboration can really shift and transform systems across a whole continent. Rose is a strategic leader mobilizing Africa’s higher education sector at a critical moment, when the continent’s youth population is rapidly growing, yet tertiary enrolment remains the lowest in the world. As Executive Director of The Education Collaborative, a pan-African initiative launched by Ashesi University in 2017, Rose leads a peer-driven network that has engaged over 400 institutions across the continent. Under her leadership, the Collaborative is driving transformation in teaching, institutional practices, and graduate outcomes—impacting hundreds of thousands of students, with a goal to reach one million by 2030.With deep expertise in strategy and stakeholder alignment, she develops scalable models for institutional collaboration and system-wide improvement. Rose is driven by a commitment to social innovation and is shaping the future of African higher education by building the systems, networks, and models that enable institutions to lead transformative change at scale. About The Education Collaborative: The Education Collaborative spearheads a collective engagement model that promises to transform higher education outcomes in sub-Saharan Africa. This initiative uses a network approach to build trust and foster collective commitments among higher education leaders and stakeholders to generate sustainable results within the systems they govern and influence. Central to this pioneering movement is a membership model that promotes open engagement, sharing, and community accountability among participating institutions. Website: https://educationcollab.ashesi.edu.ghGiving Voice to Values Africa: https://educationcollab.ashesi.edu.gh/ehub/ecourse/giving-voice-to-values-africa Read our latest Impact Stories Publication: https://educationcollab.ashesi.edu.gh/impact-stories-publication-issue-2 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-education-collaborative-network YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theeducationcollaborative Reach us via email: education.collaborative@ashesi.edu.gh

    42 Min.
  8. Transformative Education for the Future of Ukraine - A Conversation with Yuliia Naidych, Marie Teich and Anastasia Tarasova

    11. Apr.

    Transformative Education for the Future of Ukraine - A Conversation with Yuliia Naidych, Marie Teich and Anastasia Tarasova

    How do we as educators respond in times of urgency and conflict? Not just in teaching, but also in exploring potentially transformative ideas and practices; in such moments of great challenge but also lots of opportunity. I had the huge privilege this week to talk with 3 amazing young people who doing just that in the context of the on-going conflict after the full-scale invasion of Ukraine just over 4 years ago. Yuliia Naidych, Marie Teich and Anastasia Tarasova have responded to these questions in deeply inspiring ways to develop what they are calling Third Floor, The Centre for Transformative Research. It's an emergent organisation that I first heard about from Ivo Mensch's article in Perspectiva. They are inquiring into questions about how to prevent the "brain drain" of young inspiring researchers leaving Ukraine for opportunities in other universities around the world, but also how to build bridges between the academic ivory tower and the world of practitioners in entrepreneurship local government and other sectors around Ukraine. And even what does it mean to do research in transformative ways that might support and enable some new ways of being and acting in the world. Third Floor, Centre for Transformative Research Links: Facebook page: facebook.com/profile.php?id=61562317967411  Instagram: instagram.com/third_floooor?igsh=ZWQxano1eW93a2g1&utm_source=qr  Summer School website: summerschool-transformativeresearch.com  YouTube: www.youtube.com/@Третійповерх  Yuliia Naidych: https://www.linkedin.com/in/yuliia-naidych-799b39201/  Marie Teich: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marie-teich-4714371b1/  Anastasia Tarasova: MA in Philosophy from V.N. Karazin Kharkiv National University, co-organiser of the summer school. Ivo Mensch’s article in Perspectiva, ‘The Pedagogy of Urgency’: https://perspecteeva.substack.com/p/the-pedagogy-of-urgency

    51 Min.

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We are stuck in an old paradigm, with institutional structures that were built for a world that no longer exists. Within education, passionate entrepreneurs & committed citizens are no longer waiting for these broken formal institutions to be reformed. All over the world, they're designing & building their own local responses with relationships at their core. These are the education ecosystems that our young people need and out of which new institutions will emerge. This podcast is an inquiry into these fundamental changes and an invitation to join the movement to help nurture positive change.

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