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Winner: Australian Podcast Awards: the Specialist Award… for an indie podcast, selected by the judges from across all award categories, that produces exceptional listening experiences for niche audiences and those underrepresented in other Australian media. Winner: Best New Podcast: The Radio Today Podcast Awards. Winner: The Arts and Media Award: Mental Health Matters Awards 2024. A podcast from people who have a good mind to tell you authentic and surprising stories

  1. Gomeroi Country: Wirilla Part 1

    EPISODE 1

    Gomeroi Country: Wirilla Part 1

    From the beginning of time to now, Matthew Priestley tells the story of his Country, his family, his mob for the sake of the generations to come. In Part 1 Gomeroi Country we start at the beginning and then encounter invasion, massacre and colonisation. This podcast has been informed by the historical work of Aunty Noelene Briggs, and particularly her books Winanga-li and Burrul Wallaay. To find out more about Aunty Noelene's books click here To contact us, support us and find out more, join us at Patreon, click here Detailed Music Credits "Track 4 (Hurt)" by Philip Okerstrom, Damian Mason and Symon Ayton, "Didgee Beat Box Mix" by Philip Okerstrom, "Didgy" by Philip Okerstrom "Quirky Play" by Marco Pesci, "Green Garden" by Score Wizards, "Track 10 (Hurt)" by Philip Okerstrom, Damian Mason and Symon Ayton, "Talismanist’s Art" by Tera Mangala, "Omen" by Richard Johnson, "Didgeridoo Long Loop" by Tera Mangala, "Track 3 (Hurt)" by Philip Okerstrom, Damian Mason and Symon Ayton, "Charmaine" by Philip Okerstrom. This podcast was made with funding from Create NSW. A podcast from Matthew Priestley supported by Third Space Ventures and Coequal. Other Coequal Podcasts for Real Made Up Stories click here for Agents for Change click here Content Description This episode contains discussions of colonial violence, including detailed references to massacres and systemic dispossession of Aboriginal people   Wirilla – Episode 1: “Gomeroi Country” Duration: ~22 minutes Setting: Recorded on Gomeroi and Dharawal Country, moving between ancient storytelling space and historical narration. Narrators/Voices: Matthew Priestley – Mehi Murri man (Terry Hie Hie clan, Gomeroi Nation)Dante – Young Gomeroi man, co-narrator and learnerKim – Anglo-Saxon background, long-time friend of Matthew, teacher from MoreePhil – Co-creator, occasional narrator 🪶 STRUCTURE AND CONTENT BREAKDOWN Opening Invocation: The Wind Speaker: Matthew PriestleyMatthew opens the episode with a poetic reflection about the wind as the source of life and communication.He describes the wind as magic—essential, invisible, and often unacknowledged.Key idea: Breath and speech come from the wind, positioning “air” as the first teacher.Sets a meditative, spiritual tone—listeners are drawn into Country as a living force.🌀 Themes introduced: Connection to Country · Breath as life · Gratitude to unseen forces · Story as wind. Welcome and Setting Speaker: Dante (intro narration)Dante welcomes listeners to Wirilla, acknowledging Gomeroi, Dharawal, Elouera, and Wadi Wadi lands.Introduces Matthew and the location — the ridge called Wirilla.Kim describes standing on the ridge: red gums with “red bellies,” tall and narrow.Matthew teaches that these are Yarran trees, sacred and central to story.🌿 Theme: Naming and language as a way of seeing; reclaiming Aboriginal place-names and meanings. Creation Story of Baime and the Yarran Tree Narrator: DanteA Dreaming story unfolds:Baime creates the first humans from red earth on the ridges.After a drought, one man refuses to eat a kangaroo rat, walks away, dies beside a red gum.A Yowie appears, places him inside the hollow tree, which then rises into the sky amid thunder.Two cockatoos follow it upward — their flight creates the Southern Cross.The story marks the origin of death in the world.🌌 Themes: Cosmic transformation · Origins of mortality · Sky stories as moral lessons · Animal kinship. Yarran Do and the Hidden Star Speaker: MatthewMatthew expands on the story:The lifted tree becomes Yarran Do.Hidden within is Gameeri, “the smallest star in the universe,” invisible to the naked eye.Knowing the story helps you never get lost on Country — signs are everywhere.Ends with cockatoos shrieking (“See you later”), blending story and lived moment.✨ Themes: Knowledge as orientation · Invisible truths · Story as navigation · Spiritual continuity. Introductions and Reflections on Identity Speakers: Dante, Kim, MatthewDante introduces himself as Gomeroi, living on Dharawal land, learning about his ancestry through this project.Kim introduces herself as Anglo-Saxon, long-time collaborator and teacher from Moree.Raises the question: “Australians like to think everyone gets a fair go — but is that actually true?”This line bridges from ancient story to modern social reflection.🪞 Themes: Belonging · Cultural reclamation · The myth of equality in Australia · Intercultural friendship. Matthew on Pre-colonial Knowledge and Balance Speaker: MatthewDescribes Aboriginal people as living in “subconscious mode” — deeply attuned to Country.Speaks of thousands of years of balance: people knowing 30–40 languages by age 11, every star, plant, and animal by kinship.Presents a vision of knowledge as living ecology — not ownership but relationship.🌏 Themes: Ancient intelligence · Linguistic richness · Embodied learning · Ecology and spirituality united. The Land Before Colonisation Narrators: Dante and Kim (quoting settlers’ accounts)Introduces historical documentation:Quotes from Paul Mann (Australian Geographic, 2010) and Peter Cunningham (1827).Descriptions of Moree and the Liverpool Plains — fertile, lush black soil, “a green ocean.”Matthew comments on the abundance of the black soil and Aboriginal “preparation” of the land.🌾 Themes: Land stewardship · Colonial misunderstanding of Aboriginal agriculture · “Gardened” landscapes. First Contact and Conflict Narrator: DanteThe Gomeroi meet white settlers — initially peaceful, then resistance arises as land is stolen and damaged.Colonial law claimed Aboriginal lives had equal value, but killings were ignored and widespread.Introduces the notion of “a war of extermination.”🔥 Themes: Invasion · Resistance · Hypocrisy of colonial law · Systemic erasure. The Myall Creek Massacre Narrators: Dante and KimDetailed retelling of the 1838 Myall Creek Massacre:Wirriyarray clan working amicably with settlers are massacred by convicts and stockmen.The aftermath: bodies mutilated, burned.A rare moment of legal accountability: 11 men tried in Sydney.Despite a first acquittal, seven are retried and hanged after a second trial for the murder of a child.The story foregrounds justice and injustice intertwined.⚖️ Themes: Truth-telling · Justice and complicity · Silenced history · Courage of witnesses. Aftermath and Silence Narrators: Dante, Kim, PhilNewspapers react with outrage — not at the massacre, but at the convictions.Darkly ironic “newspaper dialogue” shows settlers joking about poisoning Aboriginal people as a “safer technique.”The press goes silent after Myall Creek — killings continue unrecorded.Matthew reflects on the many massacre sites never documented, remembered only by Elders.🕯️ Themes: Cultural amnesia · Settler denial · Oral history as preservation · Grief and endurance. Colonisation Consolidates: Protection and Control Narrators: Matthew, Dante, PhilAs resistance collapses, Aboriginal people are coerced into station work.Gold rush changes power dynamics; landowners rely on Aboriginal labour.In 1883, the NSW Aboriginal Protection Board is established — its stated aim benevolent, but its practice restrictive.Next episode preview: the Terry Hie Hie reserve.🏚️ Themes: Assimilation disguised as help · Survival and adaptation · Policy and control. Reflection and Credits Speakers: Phil, DantePhil asks Dante what he makes of it all.Dante, overwhelmed: “I didn’t even know half of that… People should really know about this.”Credits follow, acknowledging team, sound, design, and Elders (especially Aunty Noeline Briggs).💬 Themes: Learning and reckoning · Intergenerational knowledge transfer · Respect for Elders · Ongoing truth-telling.

    24 min
  2. Reserve: Wirilla Part 2

    EPISODE 2

    Reserve: Wirilla Part 2

    In Wirilla Ep 2: Reserve we move from Dreaming and sky-knowledge to the ground-level realities of segregation, following the creation of reserves and camps while tracing the life of Matthew’s great grandfather Alexander Stanley. This podcast has been informed by the historical work of Aunty Noelene Briggs, and particularly her books Winanga-li and Burrul Wallaay. To find out more about Aunty Noelene's books click here This podcast was made with funding from Create NSW. Detailed Music Credits "Just Did" by All Stars, "Soundscape" by Mirko Sosai, "Omen" by Richard Johnson, "Guitarline" by Philip Okerstrom, "John as well" by Mirko Sosai, "Fred" by Fred, "Awkward Comedy" by Luca Francini, "Hurt Track 4" by Philip Okerstrom, Damian Mason and Symon Aytonn, "Tranquility Base" by Chill Factor, "Hurt Track 13" by Philip Okerstrom, Damian Mason and Symon Ayton, "Hurt Guitar Track 8" by Philip Okerstrom, Damian Mason and Symon Ayton, "Proud Return" by See More Music, Blusy G'Tar by Mirco Sosai, "Hurt Track 5 by Philip Okerstrom, Damian Mason and Symon Ayton. A podcast from Matthew Priestley supported by Third Space Ventures and Coequal. To contact Coequal and find out more, check out our Patreon page, click here Content Description This episode contains references to segregation, forced child removal, discriminatory laws, and the hardships faced by Aboriginal families living on reserves and in camps. Wirilla – Episode 2: “Reserve” Duration: 23 minutes Setting: Moves between star stories, family history, and the lived memories of the Terry Hie Hie reserve and Moree’s early camps. Narrators/Voices: Matthew Priestley – Mehi Murri man (Terry Hie Hie clan, Gomeroi Nation)Dante – Gomeroi young person narrator and learnerKhalani – Gomeroi young person narrator and learnerKim – Long-time friend of Matthew, researcher and collaboratorPhil – Co-creator, occasional narrator 🪶 STRUCTURE AND CONTENT BREAKDOWN Opening: The Lyrebird — Sound and the Birth of Language Matthew opens by explaining that sound itself was created by the lyrebird, and that animals generated the first sounds — before wind had “sound.”He frames vibration as an original language, akin to mathematics — a structural, patterned intelligence that underpins how we communicate.🌀 Themes introduced: Sound as origin · Lyrebird as culture-keeper · Vibration as language · Science and story intertwined. Opening Story: The Emu in the Sky introduces the Gomeroi sky story of the the Emu in the Sky, explaining how the dark spaces between stars form the celestial emu.The changing shape of the emu tracks the seasons — when it lies down, when it rises, and when the birds are nesting.teaches how the sky is a living calendar, a guide for movement, ceremony, and food gathering.🌀 Themes introduced: Celestial knowledge · Seasonal law · Country as teacher · Reading the sky. Terry Hie Hie: Bora and the Calm Before Segregation The hosts discuss Terry Hie Hie as a major meeting and ceremonial site — one of the largest Bora grounds.They note the last recorded Bora at Terry Hie Hie in 1883, and how the cultural practices continued even as colonisation imposed new pressures.🌿 Themes: Ceremonial life · Continuity amid disruption · Record vs lived practice. After Myall Creek: Disease, Poison, and Disrupted Songlines Traces the cascading impacts of massacres: disease, poisoning, food source depletion, and broken pathways/songlines that undermined traditional life.Explains how these pressures foreshadowed more formal systems of segregation and control.🔥 Themes: Cultural disruption · Environmental impacts of colonisation · Fragmentation of communal life. Creation of the Terry Hie Hie Reserve (1895) The Aboriginal Protection Board set aside 102 acres for a reserve at Terry Hie Hie in 1895.Hosts discuss the split among white settlers — some professed “protection” motives, others openly expressed racist aims (preventing intermarriage, “protecting” the white race).The reserve is framed both as an imposed protection and as a tool for segregation.🏚️ Themes: Protection as paternalism · Segregation policy · Control of bodies and movement. Naming, Registration, and Identity Theft The episode explains how births were registered by farmers or reserve managers, Aboriginal names were ignored, and white names or property names were imposed (example: “Dave Combadello”).This bureaucratic renaming severed cultural ties and created false official identities that complicated family histories.🪞 Themes: Bureaucratic erasure · Identity control · Loss of language through paperwork. Family Story: Alexander Stanley (Matthew’s Great-Grandfather) The life of Alexander Stanley is traced: born 1896, worked on cattle stations, later enlisted in WWI using a falsified identity (a common tactic by Aboriginal enlistees).His experience illustrates the contradictions of Aboriginal service: fighting for a nation that denied rights at home.Alexander’s post-war life — work, relationships (meeting Rachel Munro), and railway work — ties family history into broader patterns of movement and survival.🪶 Themes: Personal resilience · Identity negotiation · Indigenous war service. The Protection Act and Child Removal Practices The episode quotes the 1909 Aborigines Protection Act and describes how it allowed indenturing children as apprentices, controlled wages, and restricted movement — measures used to assimilate and exploit Aboriginal children.Hosts highlight that promised pocket money was rarely given and that children were effectively trapped in institutions or domestic servitude.⚖️ Themes: Legalised family separation · Exploitation under law · Institutional abuse. Education, Exclusion and the 1899 School Case Tells the story of 11 Aboriginal children in Gullarganbone who were briefly admitted to public school (Feb 7–20) before being suspended due to Department pressure.By 1902 Aboriginal children were effectively banned from public schooling — an explicit policy of exclusion.The episode uses a sarcastic 1899 newspaper extract to show local sentiment and systemic racism.📚 Themes: Educational exclusion · Public humiliation · White anxieties about equality. Life in Moree: Top, Middle and Bottom Camps Describes how displaced families set up makeshift camps in Moree: Top Camp (near Pitt family), Middle Camp (near the dump), Bottom Camp (near the cemetery).Living conditions: tin shacks, poor sanitation, stigmaCouncil resistance to establishing a formal reserve inside the municipality is discussed, showing local hostility to Aboriginal presence.Matthew speaks about the importance of listening to old people and ancestors.🏘️ Themes: Spatial marginalisation · Community resilience · Municipal racism. Returned Soldiers, Memorials, and Hypocrisy The episode recounts how returned Aboriginal servicemen were excluded from the Moree Soldiers Memorial Hall despite their service.Hosts quote the Hall committee’s explicit discriminatory rule banning “full blood or half caste” Aboriginal people from attending.This stark irony underlines the hypocrisy of national celebration built on dispossession.🕯️ Themes: Recognition denied · National myth vs lived reality · Moral indictment. Reflection and Closing Khalani and Dante react emotionally — perplexed, angered, determined to learn more.Credits and thanks close the episode, with a preview: the next breath of Wirilla will focus on Top Camp.💬 Themes: Memory as resistance · Intergenerational responsibility · Learning as activism · Continuing the yarn. Additional Citation: Fuller, R.S, Norris, R. P, Trudgett, M: The astronomy of the Kamilaroi and Euahlayi peoples and their neighbours in Australian Aboriginal Studies 2014/2

    23 min
  3. Top Camp: Wirilla Part 3

    EPISODE 3

    Top Camp: Wirilla Part 3

    In Part 3 Top Camp we follow Matthew's river of story into lived memory, tracing segregation, survival and the struggle for rights. This podcast has been informed by the historical work of Aunty Noelene Briggs, and particularly her books Winanga-li and Burrul Wallaay. To find out more about Aunty Noelene's books click here Detailed Music Credits "Dramatic Violin and Didgeridoo" by Studio FLG, "Another One" by Mirko Sosai, "Omen" by Richard Johnson, "Tranquility Base" by Chill Factor, "Quirky Play" by Marco Pesci, "Porch Blues" by Kevin MacLeod, "Running South" by Score Wizards, "Hurt Track 13" by Philip Okerstrom, Damian Mason and Symon Aytonn, "Slow Burn" by Kevin MacLeod, "Didgeridoo Night" by All Stars. This podcast was made with funding from Create NSW. A podcast from Matthew Priestley supported by Third Space Ventures and Coequal. To contact Coequal and find out more, check out our Patreon page, click here Content Description: This episode contains references to forced child removal, segregation, racism, and violence against Aboriginal people Setting: Moves between river Country (Mehi and Gwydir), Dreaming story, lived memory of segregation in Moree, and the emergence of Stanley Village. 🪶 STRUCTURE AND CONTENT BREAKDOWN Opening: Listening, Dreaming and Becoming Speaker: Matthew Priestley Matthew opens with a reflection on listening (Gunnai Binna) — urging people to be still, to hear beyond themselves.Frames life as “magic” and existence as part of Dreaming — not past, but ongoing.Positions Stanley Village as a place that holds beginning, middle and end — a site of layered meaning.🌀 Themes introduced: Listening as knowledge · Dreaming as present · Story as lived reality · Place as continuum. Storytelling as Continuation of Culture Speaker: Matthew Priestley Reflects on becoming a storyteller through guidance of Elders.Frames storytelling as a modern continuation of song and dance — a vehicle for Dreaming in contemporary form.🎙️ Themes: Cultural continuity · Responsibility of storytelling · Old knowledge in new forms. At the Rivers: Mehi and Gwydir Speakers: Dante, Matthew Matthew and Kim travel to where the Mehi and Gwydir rivers meet.Matthew describes the density of stories connected to the Mehi — too many to hold at once.🌊 Themes: River as archive · Story embedded in landscape · Overlapping knowledge systems. Dreaming Story: The Dinewan and the Mehi River Narrator: Dante A drought forces animals to uncover how Dinewan (the emu) controls water.A small bird follows and discovers the hidden rock controlling water flow.When the bird attempts to replicate it, the water cannot be contained — forming the Mehi River.🌌 Themes: Creation through imbalance · Knowledge and consequence · Animal agency · Water as life force. Matthew: Water, Identity and Connection Speaker: Matthew Describes being inseparable from the river — water as bloodline, identity, and living connection.Rejects ownership in favour of belonging within the system.💧 Themes: Relational identity · Water as kin · Embodied connection to Country. Water, Purity and Culture Speaker: Matthew Extends the metaphor: humans are like water — connected but often forgetting.Names Aboriginal culture as the “purest” surviving system of knowledge.✨ Themes: Purity as continuity · Cultural endurance · Philosophical ecology. The Great Artesian Basin and Hidden Systems Speakers: Hosts Explains the underground water system sustaining inland Australia.Highlights how Gomeroi people relied on natural springs long before colonial extraction.Settler use transforms water into an economic resource.🌏 Themes: Hidden infrastructure of life · Indigenous knowledge vs extraction · Environmental change. Segregation at the Moree Baths Speakers: Hosts Aboriginal people were banned from accessing the artesian baths.Reinforces the contradiction: exclusion from resources on their own Country.🏚️ Themes: Segregation · Denial of access · Everyday racism. Bottom Camp Becomes a Reserve Speakers: Hosts Bottom Camp formalised as a reserve in the late 1920s.Stark inequality between white staff housing and Aboriginal living conditions.🏘️ Themes: Institutional inequality · Spatial segregation · Infrastructure as control. Stanley Family Movement and Fear of Removal Speakers: Hosts Alexander and Rachel Stanley move to the mission.Some families follow; others remain in camps to avoid child removal.🪶 Themes: Family decision-making under threat · Protection vs safety · Survival strategies. Assimilation Policies Intensify Speakers: Hosts Shift from “protection” to assimilation in the 1930s.Continued control through new language and policy frameworks.⚖️ Themes: Policy evolution masking continuity · Cultural erasure · State control. William Stanley and “Little Boy Lost” Speakers: Hosts William Stanley works as a tracker in a high-profile search.Popular retellings erase Aboriginal contribution.Juxtaposed with simultaneous forced removals of Aboriginal children.🪞 Themes: Erasure of contribution · Selective national memory · Parallel injustices. Life Under Segregation Speaker: Medina, Valmay, Nab, Roy, Matthew and Hosts Shares her story: removal from family, growing up on the mission.Describes surveillance, restrictions, and strategies to avoid welfare officers.Recounts the use of passes/dog tags to enter town.Separate hospitals, cinemas, cemeteries.Social rules enforcing inferiority and control.Personal memory of being refused entry as a child.Long-term emotional impact — never returning.🚧 Themes: Stolen Generations · Surveillance · Everyday resistance · Lived testimony. Total system segregation · Social conditioning · Structural racism · Intergenerational trauma · Personal impact of systemic racism · Memory as evidence. Freedom Ride – 1965 Speakers: Hosts Student activists challenge segregation in Moree.Initial success overturned, followed by protest, violence, and eventual change.🔥 Themes: Activism · Public confrontation of racism · Youth-led change. 1967 Referendum and Housing Change Speakers: Hosts and Roy, Median and Valmay Referendum marks a national shift in recognition.New housing established — Stanley Village.Describes moving into Stanley Village as transformative — running water, electricity, dignity.A rare moment of relief and hope.🏠 Themes: Legal change vs lived reality · Symbolic vs material progress. Improved living conditions · Joy amid struggle · Community rebuilding. Matthew: Story Lives in the Body Speaker: Matthew Explains that trauma and story are held physically.Healing requires moving through pain to reach deeper cultural knowledge.🌀 Themes: Embodied memory · Healing through truth · Story as process. Ongoing Racism and Violence Speakers: Hosts Post-reform racism persists: threats, violence, intimidation.⚠️ Themes: Continuity of racism · Limits of reform · Community resilience. Cheeky McIntosh Shooting and Aftermath Speakers: Roy and Hosts Killing of Ronald “Cheeky” McIntosh sparks community unrest.Media and police responses reinforce systemic bias.🕯️ Themes: Police violence · Grief and anger · Narrative control. Closing Reflection Speaker: Matthew Acknowledges anger as a sacred force.Points toward another story still to be told.💬 Themes: Hope · Narrative choice · Continuation. Outro and Forward Look Speakers: Khalani, Dante Reflect on how recent this history is.Preview Episode 4: School.

    34 min

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Winner: Australian Podcast Awards: the Specialist Award… for an indie podcast, selected by the judges from across all award categories, that produces exceptional listening experiences for niche audiences and those underrepresented in other Australian media. Winner: Best New Podcast: The Radio Today Podcast Awards. Winner: The Arts and Media Award: Mental Health Matters Awards 2024. A podcast from people who have a good mind to tell you authentic and surprising stories