The Examined Life

Kenneth Primrose

The Examined Life podcast explores the questions we should be asking ourselves with a range of leading thinkers. Each episode features a different interview, and appeals to those interested in wisdom, personal development, and what it might mean to live a good life. Topics vary from discussing the role of dopamine mining and status anxiety, to exploring the science of awe and attention.

  1. Anthea Lawson - Should we be trying to save the world?

    3 days ago

    Anthea Lawson - Should we be trying to save the world?

    What does it mean to try to change the world — without losing yourself, or everyone else, in the process? This week I'm joined by Anthea Lawson: activist, writer, former journalist, and campaigner who has spent three decades working on issues from the arms trade to financial secrecy. Her new book, How Not to Save the World: Doing Good Without Annoying Everyone (Oneworld, 2026), is a candid and hopeful look at the traps that well-meaning people fall into — and how to find a better way through. We explore the hidden "save the world" script that pushes so many of us toward either frantic overwork or numb despair, and why both tend to backfire. Anthea maps out a third path — grounded in humility, relationship, and local people power — that turns out to be more effective, and more sustaining, than heroic effort alone. We talk about: The two default responses when the world feels overwhelming: compulsion and shutdownWhat "script messages" are, and how unconscious patterns quietly drive activism cultureHow a genuine commitment to good can tip into righteousness that pushes people awayWhy the protest voice often fails in everyday relationships — and what listening can do insteadHow purity tests and perfectionism raise the barrier to entry and shrink movementsOverwhelm as a structural tactic that keeps communities divided and reactive"I know better" dynamics, lived experience, and the legacy of class and white saviour thinkingWhy meaningful change now requires people power over individual heroicsAntidotes: service, bridge-building, showing up without ego, and the value of genuine relationshipRegulating the nervous system through embodiment and co-regulationMaking space for grief — not as defeat, but as something shared that creates breathing roomHow Not to Save the World is available from independent bookshops — you can order it through Bookshop.org, which supports independent booksellers directly. Follow Anthea's writing and thinking on Substack at anthealawson.substack.com. If you enjoyed this episode, a rating or review goes a long way — and do sign up on Substack for This Examined Life, where you'll find updates, newsletters, and reflections between episodes. Support the show

    52 min
  2. Stephen Cave - How Long Should We Live?

    11 May

    Stephen Cave - How Long Should We Live?

    Stephen Cave is a philosopher, writer, and Director of the Leverhulme Centre for the Future of Intelligence at the University of Cambridge. His work sits at the intersection of philosophy, religion, ethics, and technology, exploring humanity’s oldest questions about death, meaning, immortality, and what it means to live well in a rapidly changing world. Before entering academia, Stephen worked as a diplomat for the British Foreign Office. He is an internationally recognised public philosopher whose research and writing examine how human beings confront mortality, and how emerging technologies, especially artificial intelligence, are reshaping those responses. In this conversation, we explore why the awareness of death may be the defining feature of being human, and how our attempts to escape mortality continue to shape culture, religion, science, and modern technological ambition. In This Episode We Explore: The evolutionary roots of the survival instinct paired with a uniquely human awareness of deathTerror Management Theory and why immortality beliefs appear across culturesReligion, legacy, fame, and technology as competing “immortality stories”The wisdom tradition: gratitude for the sheer unlikeliness of being aliveServing others as an antidote to self-focused mortality anxietyPresence, mindfulness, and practices that reduce future-oriented fearNear-death experiences — and how naturalistic explanations can still preserve meaningWhy living “forever” might collapse identity, values, and purposeLife-expectancy myths, real medical progress, and the limits of longevity optimismAI and biological technologies accelerating anti-ageing researchModern abundance alongside a growing crisis of meaningPopulation pressure, carrying capacity, and what it would take for longer lives to go wellStephen Cave’s Books Immortality: The Quest to Live Forever and How It Drives Civilization A widely acclaimed philosophical exploration of humanity’s enduring attempts to overcome death.Should You Choose to Live Forever? A concise introduction to one of philosophy’s most provocative questions: would immortality actually be good for us?AI Narratives: A History of Imaginative Thinking about Intelligent Machines (with Kanta Dihal) An exploration of how stories, myths, and cultural imagination shape our understanding of artificial intelligence.Podcast Links: www.examined-life.com https://thisexaminedlife.substack.com/ Support the show

    56 min
  3. Kathryn Mannix - Is mortality a threat or a catalyst?

    27 Apr

    Kathryn Mannix - Is mortality a threat or a catalyst?

    Mortality: Threat or Catalyst? A Conversation with Dr. Kathryn Mannix In this episode of The Examined Life, Kenny Primrose is in conversation with writer, speaker, and retired palliative care physician Dr. Kathryn Mannix about whether mortality is experienced as a threat or a catalyst for living. Mannix describes how early fear and resentment of death drew her to caring for dying patients, what she observed as medical abandonment, and how nurses taught her that the most important thing at the bedside is “how you are.” She argues that modern culture has lost “death literacy,” fueling fears shaped by Hollywood depictions and that talking about death through storytelling helps people to understand ordinary dying and what to expect. The discussion covers loss of control, end-of-life “audits,” regret as a processed, safer place than rage or shame, emotional literacy, and companionship that makes space for distress. Mannix suggests accepting finitude can clarify values and cultivate gratitude. 00:00 Mortality As Catalyst 01:27 Meet Dr Mannix 04:01 Threat Or Catalyst 04:32 Learning To Be Present 11:22 Magical Thinking Fears 16:56 What Dying Looks Like 23:11 End Of Life Audit 27:38 Rethinking Regret 32:25 Regrets and Joys 34:05 Regret as Wisdom 35:01 Emotional Literacy Work 38:35 Guilt Shame Reframing 40:50 Self Compassion Voices 43:33 Holding Space Culture 48:52 Telling the Story 51:22 End of Life Audit 53:28 Death Catalyst Gratitude 58:59 Closing Reflections Relevant Links: https://www.kathrynmannix.com/ www.examined-life.com https://thisexaminedlife.substack.com/ Support the show

    1hr 1min
  4. Dr BJ Miller - How are you grieving?

    14 Apr

    Dr BJ Miller - How are you grieving?

    BJ Miller on Loss, Meaning, and Learning to Feel In this conversation, Kenny Primrose speaks with palliative care physician BJ Miller, co-founder of Mettle Health, about grief—not as an interruption to life, but as one of its central experiences. Rather than treating grief as something that happens only after death, Miller suggests it is a constant human condition: the emotional response to loving things that inevitably change, fade, or disappear. The problem, he argues, is that modern culture is profoundly grief-illiterate. We rush people toward closure, reward emotional stoicism, and teach one another to avoid feeling too much. Drawing on his own life—including a catastrophic electrical accident at age 19 and the later death of his sister, Miller explores how grief shapes identity, attention, relationships, and even politics. When grief is denied, it often reappears disguised as anger, grievance, blame, or division. When felt honestly, however, grief reconnects us to meaning, deepens aliveness, and enlarges our capacity to live well. The conversation ranges from personal loss to healthcare reform, from daily mortality practices to the healing role of beauty and nature at the end of life.  In This Episode  Why grief is not exceptional but universal  How emotional avoidance creates “grief illiteracy”  The pressure to perform strength—and its hidden costs  What patients at the end of life teach about living  How grief transforms into anger, grievance, and polarization  Loss as a doorway to presence and gratitude  The importance of rituals and communal containers for mourning  Why medicine often treats death as failure  Practicing mortality as a path to meaning  Beauty, nature, and tenderness as forms of medicine Key Ideas Grief as Love Continuing Grief reveals what mattered. Rather than diminishing life, it clarifies it. Grief vs. Grievance Unfelt grief frequently becomes blame, resentment, or political division. Learning to Feel Emotional literacy—pausing before reacting, tolerating discomfort—is both personally healing and socially protective. Rituals Matter Modern societies have lost many shared practices that help people metabolize loss. We must rediscover or reinvent them. Rethinking Healthcare End-of-life care should prioritize meaning, beauty, and connection—not simply the postponement of death. Website - www.examined-life.com Substack - https://thisexaminedlife.substack.com Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/@ExaminedLifePodcast BJ's TED talk - https://www.ted.com/talks/bj_miller_what_really_matters_at_the_end_of_life Other resources on Grief - https://edition.cnn.com/all-there-is-anderson-cooper Mettle Health - https://www.mettlehealth.com/  Support the show

    1hr 6min
  5. Dr Lucy Hone - What has loss taught you?

    30 Mar

    Dr Lucy Hone - What has loss taught you?

    Learning from Loss with Dr. Lucy Hone How do you survive the unthinkable? When resilience researcher Dr. Lucy Hone lost her 12-year-old daughter in a tragic accident, she didn't just study the science of grief—she had to live it. In this episode, Lucy joins Kenny Primrose to share the practical, evidence-based tools that help us oscillate between mourning and living, and what we can learn about life in the wake of loss. In This Episode: In this new series on grief and mortality, we explore why the "stages of grief" model often fails us and what actually works instead. Dr. Lucy Hone discusses her journey from the University of Pennsylvania’s resilience program to the frontlines of her own personal tragedy. Key Topics Discussed: The Myth of "Bouncing Back": Why we need a more pragmatic definition of resilience.The 3 Habits of Resilient Grievers: Simple, actionable shifts in attention that can change your trajectory.The "Helping or Harming" Test: A vital tool for psychological flexibility.The Jigsaw Metaphor: How to rebuild your life when the old pieces no longer fit.Hidden Grief: Understanding "non-death" losses and how to process them.About Lucy: Dr. Lucy Hone is a best-selling author, TED speaker, and co-director of the New Zealand Institute of Wellbeing & Resilience. Her work has been published in The Journal of Positive Psychology and featured in The Washington Post, BBC, and The Guardian. Resources Mentioned: Book: Resilient Grieving: How to Find Your Way Through a Devastating LossNew Book: How Will I Ever Get Through This? (On hidden and non-death grief)TED Talk: The Three Secrets of Resilient PeopleConnect with The Examined Life: Host: Kenny PrimroseWebsite: www.examined-life.comYoutube: https://www.youtube.com/@ExaminedLifePodcastFollow & Subscribe on substack: https://thisexaminedlife.substack.com/ Support the series - buymeacoffee.com/kennyprimrose If you found this episode helpful, please leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify—it helps others find these conversations. Support the show

    51 min

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The Examined Life podcast explores the questions we should be asking ourselves with a range of leading thinkers. Each episode features a different interview, and appeals to those interested in wisdom, personal development, and what it might mean to live a good life. Topics vary from discussing the role of dopamine mining and status anxiety, to exploring the science of awe and attention.

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