More Good Drinks - Industry Podcast

Tash McGill

NZ's home of beverage and bar chat from brand, bartenders, the best in the business alongside producers, distillers and the generally great humans that make More Good Drinks. www.moregooddrinks.com

  1. Fizzy For Good Sh*t

    4 hrs ago

    Fizzy For Good Sh*t

    Fizzy For Good Sh*t Tash sits down with Becs Caughey — the brand mind behind Cook and Nelson, importer/distributor of some genuinely excellent global products, and founder of Good Sht Soda — to mark the launch of their new Apple flavour. Becs unpacks how Good Sht became the world’s first pre- and probiotic soda, why fibre deserves “its full belt-singing moment,” and what four years of working with international scientists looks like when you’re trying to make a probiotic shelf-stable without refrigeration. The conversation moves from can design (deliberately uniform, deliberately legible — no shouty health claims, just the actual ingredient list blown up large) into the bigger picture: GLP-1 medications, an FMCG sector forced to do more with less food, and why “wellness” has quietly become a trust argument as much as a taste one. Becs and Tash also trade notes on apple and whisky pairings, because priorities. In this episode: * The origin story: a stalled shipping container, a tiny American brand and a decision to build something local * Why the prebiotic fibre matters as much as the probiotic — “it’s like a dog with a bone” * The science behind an ambient, non-refrigerated probiotic that “wakes up” on your tongue * Designing a can that’s colour-blocked, uniform, and built to make the ingredient list the hero * Apple flavour development: nostalgia, orchard-fresh aromatics, and getting the granny smith/braeburn balance right * GLP-1 drugs, shrinking portion sizes, and what that’s doing to restaurant menus and bar pours overseas * Why Good Sh*t makes zero claims on pack — and the food lawyer reality behind that decision * Distribution: where to find it in NZ, and the early export push into Australia and Asia Get full access to More Good Drinks at www.moregooddrinks.com/subscribe

    30 min
  2. Tasmanian Whisky Is Part Mythology, All Passion and Increasingly World Class.

    16 hrs ago

    Tasmanian Whisky Is Part Mythology, All Passion and Increasingly World Class.

    Tash speaks with Mark Teague about the evolution of Tasmanian whisky, the stories behind its growth, and why Tasmania’s distilling scene has become such a compelling global reference point. Mark shares how a lifelong connection to Tasmania and a deep love of whisky led him into event organising, whisky advocacy, and a central role in Tasmanian whisky culture.The conversation explores the true history of whisky in Tasmania, including early distilling on the island, the complexities of the laws that shaped the industry, and why the common “origin story” is often oversimplified. Mark and Tash also discuss how the industry has matured from a small cluster of similar distilleries into a much broader and more varied whisky landscape, with a growing focus on volume, innovation, and distinct house styles.The episode also looks ahead to Tasmanian Whisky Week, including the showcase, meet-the-maker events, bus tours, awards, and the community atmosphere that draws whisky lovers from across Australia and New Zealand. It’s a lively, insightful conversation about whisky, place, people, and the future of one of the Southern Hemisphere’s most exciting spirits regions. Key topics * Mark Teague’s whisky journey and connection to Tasmania * The real history of distilling in Tasmania * How Tasmanian whisky has matured and diversified * Volume, cask strategy, and production changes * Tasmanian Whisky Week and its signature events * Community, tourism, and the culture around whisky lovers Notable moments * Mark explains how he became involved in Tasmanian whisky through events and tastings * Tash and Mark unpack the myths around Tasmania’s whisky history * The discussion turns to how distilleries are now building for scale and distinction * Mark shares what makes Tasmanian Whisky Week such a unique destination event * The episode closes with excitement around upcoming festivals, previews, and awards Why listen If you’re interested in whisky, Tasmanian food and drink culture, or how a regional industry builds identity over time, this episode offers a thoughtful and well-informed look at the people and ideas shaping the scene. Mentioned in this episode * Tasmanian Whisky Week * Bill Lark * Casey Overeem * Sullivan’s Cove * Belgrove * Old Kempton * Greenbanks * Hunter Island * Derwent Distillery * Royal Agricultural Society of Tasmania Quote “Whisky doesn’t matter where it’s from — it’s from everybody.” Get full access to More Good Drinks at www.moregooddrinks.com/subscribe

    35 min
  3. Ice is Nice: A Wellington Stalwart on the Art of Service, Good Ice and Building A Cocktail

    18 June

    Ice is Nice: A Wellington Stalwart on the Art of Service, Good Ice and Building A Cocktail

    Wellington hospitality has a few genuine institutions left. Dee’s Place — basement bar, no signage, twelve seats at the bar, juicer running — is becoming one of them. This week Tash sits down with Devan Nesbitt, bar manager and day-one crew at Dee’s, to talk about how you build a bar that people actually want to drink in, when you’re the customer. Devan’s path runs through Matterhorn and Hawthorne Lounge to name just a couple and a slice of iconic Wellington bartending compressed into one conversation. A business degree that didn’t finish. A Negroni he’d never heard of. A pact with a mate that turned into a career pivot. They get into the ice. Specifically: why ice is the most important ingredient in any bar, what a Hoshizaki cube tilted just off-centre does to the drinking experience, and why Tash has never had a cold nose problem at Dee’s. From there: vermouth blending as house philosophy, the slow conversion of single malt loyalists to American whiskey, and what seasonal produce-led menus actually look like when you don’t have a rotovap. Also: milk punch, the Remember the Maine, Chattanooga Bottled in Bond, and why the staffy drink is a Michelob Ultra. Maybe a whiskey. Depends on the weekend. In this episode: * How Matterhorn and Hawthorne shaped a generation of Wellington bartenders * Why Dee’s was designed around the bar, not the tables * Ice as the most considered ingredient in the glass * The American whiskey conversion programme, and how rye is usually where it starts * Seasonal menus without the fancy equipment * On mentorship: teaching fundamentals without the kitchen militia energy * Outstanding Bartender of the Year, and why it still comes back to service Get full access to More Good Drinks at www.moregooddrinks.com/subscribe

    38 min
  4. 12 June

    Dunder, Funk & Safety Valves: A Guide to Rum with Adam Chapman

    Adam Chapman of Sunshine & Sons in Australia, joins the More Good Drinks Podcast to dive into his unique approach to rum distillation, safety, and education. With over 30 years in winemaking and a passion for teaching, Adam shares profound insights into spirit craftsmanship, sensory evaluation, and industry challenges.Why Adam? Well - he has a unique ability to call a spade a spade, and an unerring drive for accuracy and understanding. There’s plenty here to examine by way of inspiration, attention to craft and just a good bloke having a bloody good time and trying to stay alive doing it. He’s not afraid to call out what craft distillers could be doing better and to share his rich knowledge. So listen in, you’ll benefit. In this episode: * The transition from winemaking to rum distillation driven by climate change and a passion for spirits * How wild fermentation and organic molasses create a full-bodied, muscular rum profile * The importance of texture, mouthfeel, and structure in spirit evaluation and how Adam measures these aspects * An overview of his innovative tasting scale from 1 to 5 across various characteristics * His approach to blending, maturation, and experimenting with fermentation processes to develop signature styles * The critical role of safety equipment, including pressure relief valves, in small-scale distilling * Emphasizing industry safety, compliance, and the importance of education in spirits production * Adam’s perspective on Australian rum’s potential and the influence of terroir * The value of sensory education, understanding compounds, and how to communicate complexity to consumers * Insights into his ongoing training contributions and plans to influence the industry positively * The significance of respecting cultural traditions like Baiou and indigenous ingredients in spirit innovation Timestamps: 00:00 - Introduction: Rum innovation and Adam’s background 02:00 - Transition from winemaking to rum distillation 05:15 - Wild fermentation and organic molasses as signature elements 08:30 - Texture, structure, and sensory evaluation in spirits 12:45 - The unique tasting scale and scoring process 16:10 - Maturation styles and blending strategies 20:20 - Safety practices: pressure relief and distillation equipment 24:00 - Industry challenges and safety standards 28:30 - Australian rum: terroir and style evolution 33:20 - Cultural influences: Baiou and indigenous ingredients 39:00 - Education: training, sensory analysis, and industry standards 43:30 - Future trends and innovation in spirits 48:00 - Final thoughts and Adam’s passion for safety and education Get full access to More Good Drinks at www.moregooddrinks.com/subscribe

    1hr 3min
  5. Stop the Copy & Paste, For True Innovation in Drinks

    5 June

    Stop the Copy & Paste, For True Innovation in Drinks

    Rethinking Innovation and Authenticity in the Drinks Industry with Mikey Ball Dive into a compelling conversation with Mikey Ball, a product development expert at Woodward Street Distillery, as we explore what genuine innovation really means in the drinks industry. Discover how ancient techniques, authenticity, and storytelling shape truly original products, and learn practical insights on navigating the balance between tradition and modernity. In this episode: The difference between copying techniques and building original flavours How ancient traditions inform innovative product development The importance of deep foundational knowledge and context Recognising the role of storytelling and narrative in product positioning Examples of misleading terms such as "ultrasonic distillation" Authenticity as a marker of genuine innovation Practical approaches for elevating industry standards and consumer experiences The parallels between product creation behind the bar and in distilleries How to embed culture, technique, and authenticity into branding and packaging Insights into navigating market demands and consumer perceptions Future-focused topics: water sourcing, mineral analysis, and regional identity Timestamps: 00:00 - Opening thoughts on what constitutes true innovation in drinks 02:26 - Mikey shares insights on building flavor through ancient techniques 03:35 - Deep dive into question everything approach in product development 05:03 - The pitfalls of superficial innovation and copycat culture 07:12 - Clarifying misleading terminology like ultrasonic distillation 09:12 - Authenticity versus superficial branding in industry claims 11:19 - The importance of understanding ingredients and processes 13:23 - The thin line between inspiration, learning, and recipe copying 16:35 - The ongoing nature of product refinement and consistency challenges 18:03 - Connecting product stories with consumer perceptions 20:04 - The importance of visual branding and market positioning 22:20 - Embracing continuous learning and innovation as a mindset 24:37 - The influence of tradition, culture, and regional identity 27:03 - The story behind Chi Chi Vodka and its approach to authenticity 30:36 - Navigating market demands and product differentiation 32:17 - The role of narrative in brand building and consumer connection 34:27 - How storytelling enhances product experience in hospitality 37:42 - The power of simplicity and core technique in a saturated market 40:49 - Envisioning a future where hospitality deeply values understanding 45:11 - Upcoming workshops on carbonation, liquids, and innovation tools 48:02 - Exploring water sourcing and mineral profiles in New Zealand Resources & Links: Woodward Street Distillery Chi Chi Vodka Connect with Mikey Ball: mikey@woodward-distillery.com Get full access to More Good Drinks at www.moregooddrinks.com/subscribe

    44 min
  6. Starting As You Mean To Go On - An Ardnamurchan Whisky Tale

    14 May

    Starting As You Mean To Go On - An Ardnamurchan Whisky Tale

    Twelve years in the middle of nowhere: Ardnamurchan Distillery sits on the farthest West Coast of Scotland, where everything has to be thought through with exacting detail. Connal Mackenzie has been Sales Director at Ardnamurchan and Adelphi for eight years. He was in the warehouse the fortnight they didn’t see daylight, picking the casks that became the inaugural single malt. He came through Christchurch last week, back to the country his daughter holds a passport in, back to Whisky Galore where he used to work before he went home to Scotland. We sat down at the Howff to talk about adventures in whisky. Ardnamurchan is four hours from Edinburgh. Four hours from Glasgow, four hours from Inverness. “Ardnamurchan is four hours from Ardnamurchan,” Connal says, because anyone who’s driven the single-track road out to the peninsula understands what exactly what the geography means and costs. But it also gives back in delightful ways. Lorries come and go on roads really better suited for sheep. Power, when it goes, doesn’t come back quickly. What the geography gives back is the freedom to start the way you intend to continue. Ardnamurchan started distilling in 2014, released their inaugural single malt in 2020 (listen for more shared trauma). We talk about pricing and structures for understanding earning trust with whisky lovers. Twelve years in, the things they decided early are the things that now look prescient. Solar in the warehouse, hydroelectric off the river, a Swiss biomass boiler that cost 1.2 million pounds and is quietly delivering a cost-per-litre of alcohol that’s, in Connal’s words, “maybe quite sharp” compared to the rest of the field during an oil crisis. He isn’t boasting but you can’t help noting that the ROI on a sustainability decision made for the right reasons in 2013 looks different in 2026. A clipboard person told them last year they could go off-grid if they wanted to. For a site Ardnamurchan’s size, that’s an extraordinary achievement. The blending team is made up of four or five noses across different backgrounds: a single Master Blender can be a brand asset, a face and a consistency of vision, and that’s a real thing. It’s also a narrow filter on what gets into a bottle. The committee model is less heroic but it produces whisky that passes the compounding demands of groiup assessment, which is what you want when you’re trying to become someone’s third bottle on the shelf after their favourite Islay and their favourite Speyside. That’s Connal’s stated ambition for the brand. The reliable Highland coastal dram that needs replacing when it runs out. We talk about cask provenance in one of the most interesting cask programmes currently operating. Most distillery sales directors, asked about cask provenance, will give you the line. Connal gave the actual breakdown. Around 75 to 80 per cent of fills are ex-bourbon, mostly from Old Forester, direct relationship. Sherry casks come direct from Jerez, one of the best suppliers plus a small bodega, bought in Spain and not (and this is the aside that earns its keep) imported via France, which apparently is a thing some distilleries now do because the maths works out and the geography evidently doesn’t matter to them. Paul Lanois Champagne casks, fifteen to twenty-five barriques a year, bought direct from the family. Port, Madeira, Mizunara, Tokaji, Mezcal. They know the cooperages and the people moving the wood, as much as possible. But we’re also in a long, gentle inflection where transparency to that degree isn’t something we talked about as aggressively twenty years ago. This matters because the new-distillery marketing playbook of the last decade has been to lean very hard on provenance language while quietly running the same broker calls everyone else runs. Ardnamurchan saying “we have direct relationships on the casks where we have direct relationships, and we don’t pretend on the ones where we don’t” is a more useful kind of transparency. Cask costs, while we’re here. Bourbon barrels peaked at 250 US dollars last year and Connal calls that frightening, rightly. The relief, eight years in, is that Ardnamurchan is now reaping the second-fill, third-fill, sometimes fourth-fill yields off the casks they bought in the early years. The 2020 balloon, and what it cost the industry to mistake it for growth If there’s a single argument worth carrying out of the conversation, this is it. Connal and the Adelphi team were in Christchurch for Dramfest in March 2020, then crossed to Australia. Cancelled cricket games, a phone call from the chairman, last flight out via Dubai, house-bound for two and a half months. Standard 2020. What happened next is what matters. Furlough money, locked-down consumers, bored, cashed-up. Every new release sold out instantly, anything new an instant seller, anything new an instant seller. The entire industry read those numbers as a category in ascent. It wasn’t. It was a balloon. The reasonable thing, and Connal’s word here is “potentially”, would have been to base next year’s gross-profit forecast on 2019, not on the spike. Plenty of brands didn’t. Plenty built capacity, built inventory, built marketing budgets and crowdfunding rounds against numbers that were never going to repeat. Then Brexit landed for the UK side. Then two wars affected barley pricing and freight. Then UK duty went up twice. Sure, the calculation shifts at different volumes and price points, and global premium-spirit demand isn’t dead. But for a lot of mid-range single malt brands trading on that 2020-21 hockey stick, the curve they’re now trying to explain to a board is the curve of a normal year against an abnormal comparable. That’s a different conversation than a downturn, it’s a correction. Ardnamurchan kept production flat. Same volume they made three years ago, same volume they made last year. The bet is that there’s a stock lull eight to ten years out and the boring decision to keep distilling through the wobble pays off then. Whether that’s right is unknowable. What’s defensible is that the call was made on what was actually happening in 2020, not on what the spreadsheet wanted to be true. Price discipline, in a category that’s lost its head about price Forty-five pounds in 2020. Two and a half UK duty increases later, still under fifty quid. Ninety-nine dollars on the shelf at Whisky Galore. No relabelling, no relaunching, no “now with extra story” repricing. For a category that has spent five years aggressively premium-positioning everything in sight, including a lot of nine-year-old single cask releases priced like they’re surely crafted from solid gold, Ardnamurchan’s pricing discipline is … disciplined. The proposition is liquid to dollar. The bet is that a drinker who buys the bottle at a reasonable price three times comes back for the cask-strength, comes back for the Tokaji release, comes back for the Mezcal cask when it lands. Loyalty is built on the second purchase, not the first. Most of the loud premium-launch playbook of the last few years has been built on the opposite assumption. Extract margin on the first bottle because there might not be a second. The honest answer is what Ardnamurchan has done, which is run the core range honestly and let the limited releases (quarterly, 8,500 bottles across 48 markets, gone fast) do the storytelling. What he’s drinking Ardnamurchan Cask Strength, when he reaches for his own stuff. The new Tokaji, which has “real funkiness to it” and lands here in the next couple of months. And outside whisky, because anyone who works whisky knows you don’t always pour whisky on a Friday, a Negroni with Old Raj Navy Strength gin from Cadenhead’s at 55.4 per cent, because if you’re making a Negroni you may as well really make one. Listen to the whole chat for a solid dose of whisky business, banter and Scottish brogue. Get full access to More Good Drinks at www.moregooddrinks.com/subscribe

    33 min

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