Rest Easy Knowing

Fiona Healy

Conversations with experts to help people better understand death, dying and end-of-life.  We talk with professionals working in end-of-life matters, and ask them the questions you might have been wondering about, but were not prepared to ask.

Episodes

  1. 6 days ago

    After a death: living with grief

    Living With Grief: Understanding Loss, Love and the Life That ContinuesGrief is something every one of us will experience, yet many of us feel completely unprepared when it arrives. In this episode of Rest Easy Knowing, Fiona speaks with Christopher Hall, Chief Executive Officer of Grief Australia, psychologist and one of Australia's leading voices in grief and bereavement education. Christopher has spent almost three decades helping Australians better understand grief. Together, they explore why grief is so misunderstood, why there is no universal roadmap through loss, and how simply being present can be far more meaningful than finding the perfect words. This is a thoughtful conversation about grief, love, memory and the ways we continue our relationship with someone after they die. In this episode Why our society still struggles to talk openly about grief.Why fear of saying the wrong thing often leads people to withdraw instead of reaching out.What genuinely helps someone who is grieving — and why listening matters more than fixing.Why saying "I don't know what to say" can sometimes be more compassionate than offering clichés.The truth about the so-called five stages of grief and why they were never designed as a model for bereavement.Why grief is deeply individual and can involve thoughts, identity, physical experiences and emotions — not just sadness.How grief can resurface years later through anniversaries, places, smells and everyday experiences.Why grief doesn't end a relationship; instead, our relationship with the person who died changes over time.Whether grief can lead to growth, wisdom and changes in how we see the world.How rituals, letters and imagined conversations can help when someone never had the opportunity to say goodbye.The differences between grief and depression, and how they can sometimes coexist.When it may be helpful to seek additional grief support.Supporting children through bereavement with honesty, age-appropriate language and informed choice.Why euphemisms such as "they slipped away" or "they're in a better place" can unintentionally close down meaningful conversations.Talking honestly and respectfully about deaths by suicide.Supporting colleagues, friends and family members from different cultural backgrounds, including understanding the importance of curiosity rather than assumption.What happens when someone contacts Grief Australia for bereavement support.A conversation about grief, not getting over it One of the most powerful ideas Christopher shares is that grief is not about saying goodbye and letting go.  While death ends a life, it does not necessarily end our relationship with the person who died. We continue to carry them through memories, conversations in our minds, family traditions and the legacy they leave behind. For many people, grief is not something to complete. It is something we gradually learn to live alongside. The practical takeaway If someone you care about is grieving: Turn up.Listen more than you speak.Don't worry about finding perfect words.Acknowledge that you may not know what to say.Share memories of the person who died if appropriate.Remember that grief often continues long after the funeral.Check in again weeks, months and years later.And if you're grieving yourself, Christopher reminds us that there is no correct timeline, no universal sequence of emotions and no single way that grief should look. Your experience is your own. About Christopher Hall Christopher Hall is the Chief Executive Officer of Grief Australia, a psychologist specialising in grief and bereavement, and a leading educator in the field of grief literacy. Across his career he has trained thousands of health professionals, contributed to grief research and education, and continues to advocate for a more compassionate and grief-literate Australian community. About Grief Australia Grief Australia provides education, resources, counselling and bereavement support to help individuals, families, communities and organisations better understand and respond to grief. For information, resources and support, visit: Grief Australia https://www.grief.org.au/ Please note This episode discusses death, bereavement, suicide and grief. Please listen with care if these topics are particularly sensitive for you. The conversation provides general information and education about grief and bereavement. It is not intended as a substitute for individual psychological or medical advice. If you would like to learn more about grief support and available resources, visit Grief Australia.  Rest Easy Knowing Rest Easy Knowing is a podcast about death, dying and the practical conversations that help us live, and prepare for end-of-life.  Recorded at the Emerald Hill Heritage Centre on the traditional lands of the Boonwurrung People of the Kulin Nation. Fiona pays respect to Elders past and present and to any First Nations people listening. Music by Sapiros.

  2. 18 Aug

    Before you go: getting your Will right

    Discussing Wills with de Groots Wills and Estate Lawyers Senior Associate Julia Tutt.  What happens to everything you own when you die? And who makes sure your wishes are actually carried out? Most of us know we should have a will. But how many of us really understand what a will does — and what it doesn’t do? In this episode of Rest Easy Knowing, Fiona talks to Julia Tutt, Senior Associate at de Groots Wills and Estate Lawyers, about the practical realities of making a will and planning for what happens after we die. Julia explains why a will is so important, what you need to think about before making one, why some of the things you assume you own may not actually form part of your estate, and the mistakes that can cause problems for your loved ones later. And there are some surprises along the way — including the fact that your superannuation, family trust assets and even your beloved pets aren't necessarily treated in the way you might expect. In this episode, we explore: Why having a will matters — and how doing the paperwork now can reduce the administrative burden on your family later.What actually forms part of your estate, including property, bank accounts, shares and personal possessions.What doesn't necessarily form part of your estate, including superannuation and assets held in a family trust.Why DIY and online wills can create problems if they aren't properly prepared, signed and witnessed.What happens if you die without a will and how intestacy rules determine who may inherit.Choosing an executor — why the person you choose needs to be organised, capable and willing to take on the responsibility.Specific gifts versus the residue of your estate, and why leaving particular assets to particular people can sometimes have unintended consequences.What happens if a beneficiary dies before you — and why your will needs to account for this possibility.Digital assets and cryptocurrency, and why your executor needs to know they exist and how to access the relevant information.When you should review your will, including after major changes in your family, relationships or financial circumstances.Testamentary trusts and when they may be worth considering.Leaving a gift to charity and why it's important to identify the intended organisation and purpose clearly.Where your original will should be kept and why safe custody matters.The importance of talking to your family about where important documents and financial information can be found.The practical takeaway Julia's advice is straightforward: see a lawyer. Before your appointment, think about: Who is in your life and who depends on you.Who you want to benefit from your estate.Who you would trust to act as your executor.What you own and how those assets are actually owned.Your debts and financial commitments.Your superannuation.Any family trusts or business interests.Digital assets or cryptocurrency.What should happen if one of your intended beneficiaries dies before you.And once you've made your will, don't simply put it in a drawer and forget about it. Review it when your circumstances change and, as Julia suggests, generally consider reviewing it every three to five years. A conversation worth having Death can be an uncomfortable subject, but Julia makes an important point: talking about your will doesn't have to be grim. For adult children, simply knowing that a parent has made a will and knowing where important information can be found can provide considerable peace of mind. You don't necessarily need to know the details of someone's finances. But knowing where to look can make a difficult time considerably easier. Meet Julia Tutt Julia Tutt is a Senior Associate at de Groots Wills and Estate Lawyers. She holds Bachelor of Laws and Arts degrees from the University of New England and was admitted as a lawyer in the Supreme Court of New South Wales in 2016. She completed a Master of Applied Law, majoring in Wills and Estates, in 2022. de Groots is a specialist Wills and Estate law firm with offices in Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane. Find out more about de Groots Wills and Estate Planning: de Groots Wills and Estate Planning Please note... This episode provides general information only and is not legal advice. Wills, estates, trusts, superannuation and succession law can be complex,and the law differs between Australian states and territories. If you are making or updating your will, seek advice about your own circumstances from a qualified legal professional. Rest Easy Knowing is a podcast about death, dying and the things we can do now to make the end of life easier for ourselves and the people we love. Because death is inevitable. Being unprepared doesn't have to be. Recorded at the Emerald Hill Heritage Centre on the traditional lands of the Boon Wurrung people of the Kulin Nation. Fiona pays respects to Elders past and present and to any First Nations people listening. Music by Sapiros.

  3. 11 Aug

    End of life support: the role of the death doula

    Supporting Families Through Dying, Death and Grief with Death Doula, Candace Ohanessian  What does a death doula actually do - and could having one transform the experience of dying for both the person at the end of life and those who love them? In this episode of Rest Easy Knowing, Fiona speaks with Melbourne-based end-of-life doula, funeral celebrant and registered funeral provider Candace Ohanessian about the practical, emotional and spiritual support a death doula provides before, during and after death. Candace explains how planning ahead can reduce stress for families, why Advance Care Directives are so important, and how a death doula complements, not replaces, the work of palliative care. The conversation explores common misconceptions about dying, family dynamics at the bedside, caring for someone after death, and how small acts of preparation can make one of life's most difficult experiences less overwhelming. Whether you're planning ahead, supporting someone who is seriously ill, or simply curious about what happens at the end of life, this episode offers compassionate, practical guidance to help you feel more prepared. In this episode you'll learn:  What a death doula is and how they support families  Why planning early creates a more peaceful end-of-life experience  The important role of Advance Care Directives  How death doulas work alongside palliative care teams  Common signs that someone is approaching death  Why people often stop eating and drinking near the end of life  How to support children through the dying process  Why family-led funerals are becoming more popular  Practical ways families can care for a loved one's body after death  How to navigate difficult family dynamics during end-of-life care  Why talking openly about death can help us live more intentionally Memorable moments  Why Candace believes every family should have "a family doula"  The touching story of Sauvignon Blanc becoming part of a family's final goodbye  Why boredom, laughter and even black humour are completely normal at the bedside  The importance of honouring what a dying person says they are experiencing  Why the first step towards better end-of-life planning is simply starting the conversation Practical takeaway Candace's advice is simple: Have one conversation about death this week. It doesn't need to be formal. A conversation sparked by a movie, a news story or someone else's experience can be enough to begin understanding what matters most to the people you love. Visit Candace's website  Journease - Funeral Services & End-of-Life Planning Melbourne Resources mentioned  Advance Care Directives  Medical Treatment Decision Makers  Palliative Care  Family-led funerals  Holistic End of Life & Death Care Australia (HELD)  Preparing the Way (End-of-Life Doula training)

  4. 5 Aug

    When someone dies: what happens next

    We talk about what happens after someone dies with The Last Hurrah Funerals co-founder, Stass Jones.  Who do you call? How quickly do decisions need to be made? Does the person always have to go straight to a funeral home? And how much choice do families really have? In this episode of Rest Easy Knowing, Fiona Healy sits down with Stass Jones, co-founder of The Last Hurrah, to demystify the practical and emotional realities that follow a death. Drawing on her experience supporting hundreds of families, Stass explains what happens behind the scenes and challenges many of the long-held assumptions about funeral care. Together they explore why families shouldn't feel rushed, how much involvement they can have in caring for someone after death, and why funerals are most meaningful when they honestly reflect the life of the person being remembered. This is a practical, compassionate conversation that will leave you feeling better informed and more confident about navigating one of life's most difficult moments. In this episode we discuss: The first practical steps after someone diesWhen the Coroner becomes involvedWhy families don't need to feel rushedHow much involvement families can have in caring for someone after deathCommon myths about funeral carePersonalising a funeral to reflect the person who has diedBurial, cremation and emerging environmentally conscious choicesPrepaid funerals and planning aheadThe rights families have when making funeral arrangementsWhy honest conversations about death help us make more informed decisionsAbout our guest Stass Jones is the co-founder of The Last Hurrah, an independent funeral service based in Melbourne that is reimagining funeral care with compassion, honesty and authenticity. With a background in psychology, youth work, disaster response and community support, Stass is passionate about helping families navigate death in ways that reflect their values rather than tradition for tradition's sake. Key takeaways from this episode  Families have more choices than many people realise.  You don't need to rush after someone dies—there is often time to sit with them and say goodbye.  A funeral should reflect the person who died, not simply follow tradition.  Funeral costs vary enormously, so asking for transparent pricing is important.  You have the right to ask how your loved one will be cared for and to be involved if you wish.  Families remain in control—the person in the funeral home's care is still your person.Practical steps to consider Death often leaves families making dozens of decisions under enormous emotional pressure. You can make that easier by doing one thing today:  Tell someone what kind of farewell you would want.  Write down three things that matter most to you if you were to die unexpectedly.  Ask your family whether they know your wishes.  Research two or three funeral providers before you need one.  Remember that you don't have to accept the first option you're offered - it's ok to ask questions and compare services.Resources The Last Hurrah https://www.thelasthurrah.com.au

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Conversations with experts to help people better understand death, dying and end-of-life.  We talk with professionals working in end-of-life matters, and ask them the questions you might have been wondering about, but were not prepared to ask.